Abortion Law Reform Passes in New Zealand

[Godular]

Not living independently.

You heard it here first guys and gurls, children don’t have rights!

Not particularly relevant. Even if the fetus did have rights it still has no basis to use another person's body without their consent.

[The New California Republic]

it terminates a helpless person just because you don’t want them.

Wrong. A fetus is not a person.

[The American Free States]

You heard it here first guys and gurls, children don’t have rights!

Children do have rights once they are born.
Until then, they are dependent of the women's body, meaning they have no independent rights.

They are a human, so they have rights.

[Celritannia]

Not living independently.

Yes, which makes abortion much worse because, as I said above, it terminates a helpless person just because you don’t want them.

Are you repeating this argument again?
No it does not. A woman's circumstances takes priority. A woman, who is an independent living individual takes priority.

[Godular]

Children do have rights once they are born.
Until then, they are dependent of the women's body, meaning they have no independent rights.

They are a human, so they have rights.

But not more rights than born people.

[The American Free States]

it terminates a helpless person just because you don’t want them.

Wrong. A fetus is not a person.

It is a helpless human.

[Theokratiss]

You heard it here first guys and gurls, children don’t have rights!

Children do have rights once they are born.
Until then, they are dependent of the women's body, meaning they have no independent rights.

What’s the difference between an unborn child dependent on a woman for food and nutrients and a born child... dependent on a woman (or combination of man and woman) for food and nutrients and everything?

[Celritannia]

Children do have rights once they are born.
Until then, they are dependent of the women's body, meaning they have no independent rights.

They are a human, so they have rights.

They are unborn, they are not independent living creatures.

[The American Free States]

They are a human, so they have rights.

But not more rights than born people.

Yes, you don’t terminate a born person just because you don’t want them around you.

[The American Free States]

They are a human, so they have rights.

They are unborn, they are not independent living creatures.

As I have said, they are a human, they have human rights.

[Celritannia]

Children do have rights once they are born.
Until then, they are dependent of the women's body, meaning they have no independent rights.

What’s the difference between an unborn child dependent on a woman for food and nutrients and a born child... dependent on a woman (or combination of man and woman) for food and nutrients and everything?

An independent child is breathing without assistance for one.
This also depends on the stage of the abortion, which usually is at a very early stage.

[Theokratiss]

You heard it here first guys and gurls, children don’t have rights!

Not particularly relevant. Even if the fetus did have rights it still has no basis to use another person's body without their consent.

Forget the fetus for a moment, I was talking about born children. The argument I was responding to was that that the fetus was "Dependent" and therefore could be removed. But so are born children. Completely dependent.

[Godular]

Children do have rights once they are born.
Until then, they are dependent of the women's body, meaning they have no independent rights.

What’s the difference between an unborn child dependent on a woman for food and nutrients and a born child... dependent on a woman (or combination of man and woman) for food and nutrients and everything?

A woman has a means of ceding responsibility for a born child that is not inherently lethal. A pregnant woman has no such luxury if she wishes to no longer be pregnant. Such is sad, but hardly deserving of impediment.

[The New California Republic]

Wrong. A fetus is not a person.

It is a helpless human.

A fetus is not a person.

[The American Free States]

Yes, which makes abortion much worse because, as I said above, it terminates a helpless person just because you don’t want them.

Are you repeating this argument again?
No it does not. A woman's circumstances takes priority. A woman, who is an independent living individual takes priority.

Like what circumstances?

[Imperium Romanum Sanctis]

If the fetus poses a threat to the mothers life, then it’s acceptable,

Which a pregnancy in general is, inherently.

That's... really not true.

The odds of dying from pregnancy are negligible.

[Celritannia]

They are unborn, they are not independent living creatures.

As I have said, they are a human, they have human rights.

Until they leave the woman's womb, they don't have any rights.

[The American Free States]

It is a helpless human.

A fetus is not a person.

A fetus is a human, a helpless one, who relies on another person.

[Theokratiss]

What’s the difference between an unborn child dependent on a woman for food and nutrients and a born child... dependent on a woman (or combination of man and woman) for food and nutrients and everything?

An independent child is breathing without assistance for one.
This also depends on the stage of the abortion, which usually is at a very early stage.

Right, but you said a woman could kill the unborn child because the child is dependent on them. But so is a born child.

[Celritannia]

Are you repeating this argument again?
No it does not. A woman's circumstances takes priority. A woman, who is an independent living individual takes priority.

Like what circumstances?

Rape, medical concerns, financial concerns, defect birth control, change in circumstances.

[The New California Republic]

A fetus is not a person.

A fetus is a human, a helpless one, who relies on another person.

A fetus is not a person. We can keep doing this all day man, or you can just accept it, up to you.

[The American Free States]

As I have said, they are a human, they have human rights.

Until they leave the woman's womb, they don't have any rights.

They are a living human, they have human rights.

[Celritannia]

An independent child is breathing without assistance for one.
This also depends on the stage of the abortion, which usually is at a very early stage.

Right, but you said a woman could kill the unborn child because the child is dependent on them. But so is a born child.

A born child is an independent living creature.

[The American Free States]

A fetus is a human, a helpless one, who relies on another person.

A fetus is not a person. We can keep doing this all day man, or you can just accept it, up to you.

I’m not accepting it, they are humans.

[The American Free States]

Right, but you said a woman could kill the unborn child because the child is dependent on them. But so is a born child.

A born child is an independent living creature.

An unborn child is a dependent living creature.