Abortion Law Reform Passes in New Zealand

[Liriena]

Neat. Surprised it wasn't more liberalized already, but I dig it. Hopefully my country can join them soon.

Dont you live in the US where abortion on demand has been legal in every state since 1973?

Nope.

[The American Free States]

Yes actually, we generally do. That instance is birth.

Now, it is important to note that even if we considered the fetus to be a person, it still has no right to use the woman's body if she has withdrawn her consent for it to do so. We don't allow born persons to do such a thing, after all.

>When an unarmed 6 year old wanders onto your property and tries to steal an apple from your tree without your consent so you blow him up with your bazooka because he has no right to that apple

Regardless of what they have a right to do, killing a child is not a proportionate response.

Ancapistan?

[Agarntrop]

Dont you live in the US where abortion on demand has been legal in every state since 1973?

Nope.

Heh, I always assumed you were American. If you don't mind asking, where?

[Cekoviu]

Can we see the data supporting these claims? Or are you just going to hide behind emotive language and screams of NPC?

A majority of pro-life organizations especially the large ones are run by women and if you have ever gone to a pro-life march, its got more women than men.

What the hell does that have to do with anything? I don't care about the gender of wrong people, only that they're wrong.

He's a bit of a role model tbh

And that says a lot about how fucking shitty human history has been: even in the best time to be alive, being alive still sucks.

There’s no reason to be so pessimistic.

Um, yes there is. Minorities of all kinds are routinely violently abused and murdered on the basis of their minority status, even in first world countries; the world refuses to take required drastic action on climate change, dooming young generations to what will likely be an early death; the "leader of the free world" is a racist laughingstock who is handling a massive global pandemic about as well as a five-year-old could; people in the US are dying because we refuse to follow the path of a civilized country and adopt a fair healthcare system; global ecological collapse is occurring under our very feet and we're doing little to curb it for economic reasons... The world is a nightmare right now and if you can't see that, you're naïve.

[Liriena]

Nope.

Heh, I always assumed you were American. If you don't mind asking, where?

Argentina. We force 11-year-old rape victims to give birth.

[Agarntrop]

Heh, I always assumed you were American. If you don't mind asking, where?

Argentina. We force 11-year-old rape victims to give birth.

Oh I see. That sucks. Parts of my country used to be like that but thankfully that changed.

[The American Free States]

A majority of pro-life organizations especially the large ones are run by women and if you have ever gone to a pro-life march, its got more women than men.

What the hell does that have to do with anything? I don't care about the gender of wrong people, only that they're wrong.

There’s no reason to be so pessimistic.

Um, yes there is. Minorities of all kinds are routinely violently abused and murdered on the basis of their minority status, even in first world countries; the world refuses to take required drastic action on climate change, dooming young generations to what will likely be an early death; the "leader of the free world" is a racist laughingstock who is handling a massive global pandemic about as well as a five-year-old could; people in the US are dying because we refuse to follow the path of a civilized country and adopt a fair healthcare system; global ecological collapse is occurring under our very feet and we're doing little to curb it for economic reasons... The world is a nightmare right now and if you can't see that, you're naïve.

Well, I agree with you, we need to solve climate change, through the power of nuclear energy. How is Trump racist? The Healthcare System is going to be broke because no one cares enough to fix the broken Obamacare that allowed people to exploit it. There are Economic ways to solve ecological problems, but throwing money at it won’t solve it.

[The American Free States]

Heh, I always assumed you were American. If you don't mind asking, where?

Argentina. We force 11-year-old rape victims to give birth.

what they be doin down there

[Cekoviu]

What the hell does that have to do with anything? I don't care about the gender of wrong people, only that they're wrong.

Um, yes there is. Minorities of all kinds are routinely violently abused and murdered on the basis of their minority status, even in first world countries; the world refuses to take required drastic action on climate change, dooming young generations to what will likely be an early death; the "leader of the free world" is a racist laughingstock who is handling a massive global pandemic about as well as a five-year-old could; people in the US are dying because we refuse to follow the path of a civilized country and adopt a fair healthcare system; global ecological collapse is occurring under our very feet and we're doing little to curb it for economic reasons... The world is a nightmare right now and if you can't see that, you're naïve.

Well, I agree with you, we need to solve climate change, through the power of nuclear energy. How is Trump racist?

You're kidding, right?

The Healthcare System is going to be broke because no one cares enough to fix the broken Obamacare that allowed people to exploit it.

What

There are Economic ways to solve ecological problems, but throwing money at it won’t solve it.

What

[Godular]

Argentina. We force 11-year-old rape victims to give birth.

what they be doin down there

11 year old girl sexually abused by father (and impregnated as a result) being denied access to abortion despite substantially increased risks to the victim because >insert dumbfuckery here<

[The American Free States]

what they be doin down there

11 year old girl sexually abused by father (and impregnated as a result) being denied access to abortion despite substantially increased risks to the victim because >insert dumbfuckery here<

That falls under the “threat to mother’s life” category to me.

[Liriena]

what they be doin down there

11 year old girl sexually abused by father (and impregnated as a result) being denied access to abortion despite substantially increased risks to the victim because >insert dumbfuckery here<

Sexually abused by grandmother's boyfriend, IIRC, and denied access to an abortion despite the fact that she absolutely legally qualified for one under a law that's a hundred years old.

[The American Free States]

Well, I agree with you, we need to solve climate change, through the power of nuclear energy. How is Trump racist?

You're kidding, right?

The Healthcare System is going to be broke because no one cares enough to fix the broken Obamacare that allowed people to exploit it.

What

There are Economic ways to solve ecological problems, but throwing money at it won’t solve it.

What

I don’t know what you’re saying “what” for?

[Godular]

11 year old girl sexually abused by father (and impregnated as a result) being denied access to abortion despite substantially increased risks to the victim because >insert dumbfuckery here<

That falls under the “threat to mother’s life” category to me.

And as previously stated, it's always a threat.

Why yes, any medical procedure carries with it a risk. That is why hospitals will ask for permission to operate, and if the person involved is unconscious, will generally only take the actions necessary to save the person's life if they cannot otherwise get permission to operate from next of kin.

[The American Free States]

That falls under the “threat to mother’s life” category to me.

And as previously stated, it's always a threat.

Why yes, any medical procedure carries with it a risk. That is why hospitals will ask for permission to operate, and if the person involved is unconscious, will generally only take the actions necessary to save the person's life if they cannot otherwise get permission to operate from next of kin.

The fetus is still a living creature, and as such should have rights.

[Godular]

11 year old girl sexually abused by father (and impregnated as a result) being denied access to abortion despite substantially increased risks to the victim because >insert dumbfuckery here<

Sexually abused by grandmother's boyfriend, IIRC, and denied access to an abortion despite the fact that she absolutely legally qualified for one under a law that's a hundred years old.

Oh, you mean there was ANOTHER instance? I would swear there was one in Colombia or something and might have just mixed up certain details.

[Godular]

And as previously stated, it's always a threat.

Why yes, any medical procedure carries with it a risk. That is why hospitals will ask for permission to operate, and if the person involved is unconscious, will generally only take the actions necessary to save the person's life if they cannot otherwise get permission to operate from next of kin.

The fetus is still a living creature, and as such should have rights.

Even if it had rights, those rights would be forfeit so long as it imposed upon the rights of another person. We don't allow born persons to use the body of another person without their consent. I see no rationale to slap in an exception.

[Crockerland]

That statement is completely idiotic, the United States is clearly more scientifically literate than many countries and still has a strong contingent of anti-climate change rhetoric so your point doesn't really stand. And define scientifically literate states?

West coast and new England. They're the ones who, as far as the USA goes, are less prone to climate change denial.

[...]

Or denial of evolution.

Seems sort of odd to go by the states, shouldn't you go by the people? Democrats, the pro-choice party, are more favorable to anti-Nuclear troglodytery and more likely to deny the scientific consensus on the safety of GMOs.

[The American Free States]

The fetus is still a living creature, and as such should have rights.

Even if it had rights, those rights would be forfeit so long as it imposed upon the rights of another person. We don't allow born persons to use the body of another person without their consent. I see no rationale to slap in an exception.

If they willingly decided not to have abstinence and get pregnant, that is their fault.

[The New California Republic]

If they willingly decided not to have abstinence and get pregnant, that is their fault.

Everybody drink again.

[The American Free States]

If they willingly decided not to have abstinence and get pregnant, that is their fault.

Everybody drink again.

They still willingly drank.

[Godular]

West coast and new England. They're the ones who, as far as the USA goes, are less prone to climate change denial.

[...]

Or denial of evolution.

Seems sort of odd to go by the states, shouldn't you go by the people? Democrats, the pro-choice party, are more favorable to anti-Nuclear troglodytery and more likely to deny the scientific consensus on the safety of GMOs.

And republican folk who have little issue with reducing restrictions on what it takes to employ lethal force on others in self-defense go utterly bugshit over a woman exercising rights with a similar basis against a fetus. I acknowledge that there is a degree of cognitive dissonance on both sides of the aisle.

[The American Free States]

Seems sort of odd to go by the states, shouldn't you go by the people? Democrats, the pro-choice party, are more favorable to anti-Nuclear troglodytery and more likely to deny the scientific consensus on the safety of GMOs.

And republican folk who have little issue with reducing restrictions on what it takes to employ lethal force on others in self-defense go utterly bugshit over a woman exercising rights with a similar basis against a fetus. I acknowledge that there is a degree of cognitive dissonance on both sides of the aisle.

Yea because it is self-defense.

[The New California Republic]

Everybody drink again.

They still willingly drank.

You didn't get the joke. And no, we don't willingly drink in this case.

[Godular]

Even if it had rights, those rights would be forfeit so long as it imposed upon the rights of another person. We don't allow born persons to use the body of another person without their consent. I see no rationale to slap in an exception.

If they willingly decided not to have abstinence and get pregnant, that is their fault.

And they can seek treatment.