Legalization of hard drugs

[Sundiata]

Recreational drug use should not be legal, or at least not permitted by society.

[Gunyria]

All stuff that is good for the economy is banned in Europe : steroids are banned, dextro-amphetamine is banned meanwhile the life quality and the economic benefits of smoking tabacco, and the alcohol are not beneficial to our economy and wellbeing.

That's something that I don't understand. Maybe someone is smarter then me but...

Unhealthy things are mostly taxed or regulated inside the European Union because we tend to have strong social healthcare programs. In many nations, taxes from alcohol and tobacco are used for healthcare. Because of our public healthcare, the state can't afford you to be too unhealthy. That is why coca cola in europe has less sugar in it and why legal drugs are highly taxed. You use drugs, you are more likely to have medical problems, you pay tax for healthcare

[Gunyria]

Recreational drug use should not be legal, or at least not permitted by society.

Not sure if it should be legal, but decriminalization can really help. I agree with you that drugs should not be viewed as something completely normal by our society.

[Nakena]

Recreational drug use should not be legal, or at least not permitted by society.

Not sure if it should be legal, but decriminalization can really help. I agree with you that drugs should not be viewed as something completely normal by our society.

Alcohol and Sugar are perfectly normal however. Despite them being argueably more dangerous to health than marijuana. Specifically the later.

[Gunyria]

People choose behaviors which lead to the condition not the condition.

Are you calling diabetes a product of "behaviours?"

It can be

[Gunyria]

I think this is complete nonsense.

Can you at least tell us which part of it? I can't even say if you are pro or anti drugs from your message

[Gunyria]

Not sure if it should be legal, but decriminalization can really help. I agree with you that drugs should not be viewed as something completely normal by our society.

Alcohol and Sugar are perfectly normal however. Despite them being argueably more dangerous to health than marijuana. Specifically the later.

USA tried to ban alcohol and we all know how that went. Someone already said it here, but alcohol is so deep rooted into our society and culture that people can't give it up

Conserning the sugar, we all know it is unhealthy but we can decide to stop consuming it (at least most of the people). Sugar does not stimulate your brain in such way that you need more and more to get satisfied each time. On the other hand, you can't consume the same amount of crystal meth forever and feel satisfied. After some time, you need bigger dose

[Sundiata]

Recreational drug use should not be legal, or at least not permitted by society.

Not sure if it should be legal, but decriminalization can really help. I agree with you that drugs should not be viewed as something completely normal by our society.

While we should not tolerate recreational drug use, more emphasis should be put on rehabilitating drug users.

[Gunyria]

Not sure if it should be legal, but decriminalization can really help. I agree with you that drugs should not be viewed as something completely normal by our society.

While we should not tolerate recreational drug use, more emphasis should be put on rehabilitating drug users.

Yes that is true. We should put more effort into rehabilitation and reintegration of former addicts so they can be once more part of our society. Otherwise they could come back to drugs from frustration.

[Major-Tom]

In these times of global panic a little valium in the water supply may not be a bad idea.

We can have a little valium, as a treat.

[Major-Tom]

In all seriousness, I'd err towards decriminalizing hard drugs, that way those caught shooting up heroin or smoking meth still oughta be mandated to take part in some form of rehabilitation, since we don't want chronic hard drug users all over the place. It's the Portuguese method, you don't slap hard drug users with any fines or criminal penalties, nothing for the record, but you have to/are at least strongly encouraged to seek rehabilitation if caught.

As for softer drugs, such as marijuana, shrooms and other psychedelics, just legalize it and strictly regulate it.

[Nakena]

Alcohol and Sugar are perfectly normal however. Despite them being argueably more dangerous to health than marijuana. Specifically the later.

USA tried to ban alcohol and we all know how that went. Someone already said it here, but alcohol is so deep rooted into our society and culture that people can't give it up

Conserning the sugar, we all know it is unhealthy but we can decide to stop consuming it (at least most of the people). Sugar does not stimulate your brain in such way that you need more and more to get satisfied each time. On the other hand, you can't consume the same amount of crystal meth forever and feel satisfied. After some time, you need bigger dose

Uhm, you're unfortunatly somewhat wrong there. Really sugar is the most underestimated of all.

Btw weed or LSD aren't doing that.

(and i believe opoids etc and meth should probably remain restricted)

[Gunyria]

In all seriousness, I'd err towards decriminalizing hard drugs, that way those caught shooting up heroin or smoking meth still oughta be mandated to take part in some form of rehabilitation, since we don't want chronic hard drug users all over the place. It's the Portuguese method, you don't slap hard drug users with any fines or criminal penalties, nothing for the record, but you have to/are at least strongly encouraged to seek rehabilitation if caught.

As for softer drugs, such as marijuana, shrooms and other psychedelics, just legalize it and strictly regulate it.

I also believe it should be regulated in public. I mean enjoy that you are free to get high at home or in some bar but why should I inhale someone's marijuana smoke while I am waiting at the bus stop for example?

[Nakena]

In all seriousness, I'd err towards decriminalizing hard drugs, that way those caught shooting up heroin or smoking meth still oughta be mandated to take part in some form of rehabilitation, since we don't want chronic hard drug users all over the place. It's the Portuguese method, you don't slap hard drug users with any fines or criminal penalties, nothing for the record, but you have to/are at least strongly encouraged to seek rehabilitation if caught.

As for softer drugs, such as marijuana, shrooms and other psychedelics, just legalize it and strictly regulate it.

I also believe it should be regulated in public. I mean enjoy that you are free to get high at home or in some bar but why should I inhale someone's marijuana smoke while I am waiting at the bus stop for example?

I do agree with you on that. Generally public alcohol consumption should also be limited. Its just anti-social behaviour and disorderly conduct.

[Gunyria]

I also believe it should be regulated in public. I mean enjoy that you are free to get high at home or in some bar but why should I inhale someone's marijuana smoke while I am waiting at the bus stop for example?

I do agree with you on that. Generally public alcohol consumption should also be limited. Its just anti-social behaviour and disorderly conduct.

Yep. The last thing you want to see n hear when you are outside with your kids is some drunk dude shouthing how nice your boobs are

[Nakena]

I do agree with you on that. Generally public alcohol consumption should also be limited. Its just anti-social behaviour and disorderly conduct.

Yep. The last thing you want to see n hear when you are outside with your kids is some drunk dude shouthing how nice your boobs are

The proper punishment for such behaviour should be a little public whipping. Nothing extreme or too hurtful. More shaming.

Or short of that a nice fine.

[Major-Tom]

I also believe it should be regulated in public. I mean enjoy that you are free to get high at home or in some bar but why should I inhale someone's marijuana smoke while I am waiting at the bus stop for example?

I do agree with you on that. Generally public alcohol consumption should also be limited. Its just anti-social behaviour and disorderly conduct.

I agree with both of y'all, unless it's a designated beach or sort of "party row" sort of district a select few cities have, I think cities and municipalities by and large should try to curb public alcohol or marijuana consumption.

[Nakena]

I do agree with you on that. Generally public alcohol consumption should also be limited. Its just anti-social behaviour and disorderly conduct.

I agree with both of y'all, unless it's a designated beach or sort of "party row" sort of district a select few cities have, I think cities and municipalities by and large should try to curb public alcohol or marijuana consumption.

Party row or designated destricts should of course be exempts from such regulations. Ultimatively it would probably up to munticipalities anyways.

[Gunyria]

Yep. The last thing you want to see n hear when you are outside with your kids is some drunk dude shouthing how nice your boobs are

The proper punishment for such behaviour should be a little public whipping. Nothing extreme or hurtful. More shaming.

Or short of that a nice fine.

Well, disagree with that. Punishment shall be fine in that case. I am against public shaming and here is the reason why. Imagine you lost your beloved person. You are desperate and depressed. You go to bar and you drink a bit too much to feel better. Than you don't even know what you are doing and the last thing you want is to be publicly shamed... combination of depression, shame and public rejection is the best recipe for suicide

[Nakena]

The proper punishment for such behaviour should be a little public whipping. Nothing extreme or hurtful. More shaming.

Or short of that a nice fine.

Well, disagree with that. Punishment shall be fine in that case. I am against public shaming and here is the reason why. Imagine you lost your beloved person. You are desperate and depressed. You go to bar and you drink a bit too much to feel better. Than you don't even know what you are doing and the last thing you want is to be publicly shamed... combination of depression, shame and public rejection is the best recipe for suicide

Fair enough.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Are you calling diabetes a product of "behaviours?"

It can be

Only type 2 diabetes in particular can be a product of behaviour. This notion that "diabetes" is a product of behaviours falsely smears type 1 diabetics as causing their own condition through their own lifestyle, which isn't even remotely true. Taxpayers refuse to provide the supplies they need on the basis that of the narrative that it's the natural consequence of their lifestyle, and this narrative is a complete lie.

Please refrain from spreading such misconceptions from now on.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Execution should be reserved for acts that are either coercive (eg. murder, maybe rape) or severely deceptive . (Eg. Madoff-level ponzi schemes.) Drug dealing is a consensual transaction. If the warnings about the risk of addiction have failed to deter people from doing harder drugs, take it up with those who cried wolf about weed. They're the reason people aren't convinced.

We don't excuse murderers because their victims were too stupid to realize getting killed kills you. Drug dealing is murder.

Nonsense. All kinds of things people do have risks to life and limb. Drugs would be a much lesser risk to life and limb if society embraced the harm reduction approach.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Alcohol and Sugar are perfectly normal however. Despite them being argueably more dangerous to health than marijuana. Specifically the later.

USA tried to ban alcohol and we all know how that went. Someone already said it here, but alcohol is so deep rooted into our society and culture that people can't give it up

Conserning the sugar, we all know it is unhealthy but we can decide to stop consuming it (at least most of the people). Sugar does not stimulate your brain in such way that you need more and more to get satisfied each time. On the other hand, you can't consume the same amount of crystal meth forever and feel satisfied. After some time, you need bigger dose

You were saying?

[Gunyria]

USA tried to ban alcohol and we all know how that went. Someone already said it here, but alcohol is so deep rooted into our society and culture that people can't give it up

Conserning the sugar, we all know it is unhealthy but we can decide to stop consuming it (at least most of the people). Sugar does not stimulate your brain in such way that you need more and more to get satisfied each time. On the other hand, you can't consume the same amount of crystal meth forever and feel satisfied. After some time, you need bigger dose

You were saying?

Oh boi it might be. I know I can live without sugar. And if it is addictive, it can't get you high. After you eat 10 spoons o fsugar you still know what you are doing. Try to smoke 10 pots and tell me how did it go

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

You were saying?

Oh boi it might be. I know I can live without sugar. And if it is addictive, it can't get you high. After you eat 10 spoons o fsugar you still know what you are doing. Try to smoke 10 pots and tell me how did it go

"Pots?"

You know how to vapourize metal?