Catholic church on birth control; cause for abandoning it?

[The Black Forrest]

The organization only has rights over me during 8-5. When I am on my own time that’s my matter. Unless of course; I do something and somehow the organization somehow gets brought into it.

The fact the owners don’t like casual sex is irrelevant.....well I can see getting fired for having casual sex on the clock.

Ok, and what you do on your own time is your own responsibility.

The organization doesn't carry blame if you do something that hurts yourself on your own time.

Are you suggesting they control the use of insurance which is a benefit?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Because people don't follow it.

Which is a problem with the policy, really. Just because people having sex outside of marriage is a problem to you does not mean you should make it more hazardous to do so.

Doesn't mean I should facilitate them doing so either.

[Salus Maior]

Because people don't follow it.

Which is a problem with the policy, really. Just because people having sex outside of marriage is a problem to you does not mean you should make it more hazardous to do so.

He's not making it more hazardous. They're making the choice to do what they want, however they want.

[Antityranicals]

The Japanese themselves sold their own people as slaves. The Jesuits didn't enslave the Japanese the Japanese sold their own people. The Jesuits BTW were dissolved by the Pope because they had roles in the Anti-colonial Theocratic Redduciones, Christian but Native Para states in Latin America protecting Native Americans against colonial authority. The Guatemalan Reductions in particular where in constant war with the Portuguese slavers from Brazil.

The Jesuits still traded in slaves, the fact they weren't the ones doing the enslaving is irrelevant. Stop trying to dilute down how abhorrent it is.

Whoa whoa whoa! I'm really going to need a source for that, given how the Jesuits actually often got in trouble for opposing the slave trade through their actions and missions...

[Las Islas de Metanoia]

snippety snip.

Got any recent studies that aren't over ten years old? Given the advancement of genetics then research papers over ten years old are out of date.

Have you heard of the term "Classics"? Science is structure that continually updates and is organic but not all paradigms are rejected because of discovery, rather the nature of Science knowledge is accretion not discardment. Newtonian Physics wasn't all of a sudden rendered irrelevant just because of Einstenian Physics was developed,

[The South Falls]

Which is a problem with the policy, really. Just because people having sex outside of marriage is a problem to you does not mean you should make it more hazardous to do so.

Doesn't mean I should facilitate them doing so either.

People are going to do so, whether you facilitate them to or not. This is an issue where we can only fix the complications, like pregnancy.

[Salus Maior]

Ok, and what you do on your own time is your own responsibility.

The organization doesn't carry blame if you do something that hurts yourself on your own time.

Are you suggesting they control the use of insurance which is a benefit?

I don't think that the Catholic Church is insuring people for having unprotected, non-monogamous sex.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Doesn't mean I should facilitate them doing so either.

People are going to do so, whether you facilitate them to or not. This is an issue where we can only fix the complications, like pregnancy.

While I support hormonal contraception being covered by the state for its regulation of menstruation and the health issues that causes women, there is no reason for state health plans to cover condoms.

[Nakena]

Theres no reason that they should if they dont want.

I think its mostly people wanting to make to bend the christian churches to their ways. Which I find very silly.

I mean, they've succeeded with most of them, the Catholic Church is one of the few holdouts.

Thats because the RCC is fairly huge and international and has enough inertia to do their own thing.

[The South Falls]

Got any recent studies that aren't over ten years old? Given the advancement of genetics then research papers over ten years old are out of date.

Have you heard of the term "Classics"? Science is structure that continually updates and is organic but not all paradigms are rejected because of discovery, rather the nature of Science knowledge is accretion not discardment. Newtonian Physics wasn't all of a sudden rendered irrelevant just because of Einstenian Physics was developed,

Advances in sciences allow us to disprove the ideas of old, in some cases. While you're right, some parts of science build off of others, other parts of science have misconceptions built into them that are disproved as time goes on.

[Salus Maior]

The Japanese themselves sold their own people as slaves. The Jesuits didn't enslave the Japanese the Japanese sold their own people. The Jesuits BTW were dissolved by the Pope because they had roles in the Anti-colonial Theocratic Redduciones, Christian but Native Para states in Latin America protecting Native Americans against colonial authority. The Guatemalan Reductions in particular where in constant war with the Portuguese slavers from Brazil.

The Jesuits still traded in slaves, the fact they weren't the ones doing the enslaving is irrelevant. Stop trying to dilute down how abhorrent it is.

I don't see what this has to do with anything.

[Genivaria]

How about this.
Teenage pregnancy rates tend to go up in states where sex education either isn't taught or is replaced by 'abstinence only education'.

Therefore if you oppose pregnant teens (let's be honest there's nothing beneficial about getting pregnant in or before high school)
Then you should support the teaching of sex ed as well as how to use birth control and condoms.

As a policy teaching abstinence alone only exacerbates the problem. That is fact.

[Antityranicals]

I mean, they've succeeded with most of them, the Catholic Church is one of the few holdouts.

Thats because the RCC is fairly huge and international and has enough inertia to do their own thing.

I'd hope, as a Catholic, that even if they were small and weak, they'd still have the guts to "do their own thing," as you put it.

[The South Falls]

People are going to do so, whether you facilitate them to or not. This is an issue where we can only fix the complications, like pregnancy.

While I support hormonal contraception being covered by the state for its regulation of menstruation and the health issues that causes women, there is no reason for state health plans to cover condoms.

It's expedient for the state to do so, as opposed to being left with thousands if not millions foster kids the state is unable to take care of adequately.

[Las Islas de Metanoia]

The Japanese themselves sold their own people as slaves. The Jesuits didn't enslave the Japanese the Japanese sold their own people. The Jesuits BTW were dissolved by the Pope because they had roles in the Anti-colonial Theocratic Redduciones, Christian but Native Para states in Latin America protecting Native Americans against colonial authority. The Guatemalan Reductions in particular where in constant war with the Portuguese slavers from Brazil.

The Jesuits still traded in slaves, the fact they weren't the ones doing the enslaving is irrelevant. Stop trying to dilute down how abhorrent it is.

Yes blaming the Jesuits for a practice that's actively being forced on you by the Native Japanese is evil while at the same time turning a blind eye to the wars the Jesuits caused in Latin America in defense of Native Americans against Slavery in their Jesuit Reductions. You have selective amnesia. You just remember and state things that you like and then close your ears to other facts.

[United Muscovite Nations]

How about this.
Teenage pregnancy rates tend to go up in states where sex education either isn't taught or is replaced by 'abstinence only education'.

Therefore if you oppose pregnant teens (let's be honest there's nothing beneficial about getting pregnant in or before high school)
Then you should support the teaching of sex ed as well as how to use birth control and condoms.

As a policy teaching abstinence alone only exacerbates the problem. That is fact.

Sounds like a them problem.

[Genivaria]

People are going to do so, whether you facilitate them to or not. This is an issue where we can only fix the complications, like pregnancy.

While I support hormonal contraception being covered by the state for its regulation of menstruation and the health issues that causes women, there is no reason for state health plans to cover condoms.

Considering I can get a box of Trojans from the corner store for $7.99 I'm not seeing that as a loss.

Women's birth control is far more expensive and should be covered.

[United Muscovite Nations]

While I support hormonal contraception being covered by the state for its regulation of menstruation and the health issues that causes women, there is no reason for state health plans to cover condoms.

It's expedient for the state to do so, as opposed to being left with thousands if not millions foster kids the state is unable to take care of adequately.

We have the funds to take care of children. But the state shouldn't pay for people to not have restraint.

[Genivaria]

How about this.
Teenage pregnancy rates tend to go up in states where sex education either isn't taught or is replaced by 'abstinence only education'.

Therefore if you oppose pregnant teens (let's be honest there's nothing beneficial about getting pregnant in or before high school)
Then you should support the teaching of sex ed as well as how to use birth control and condoms.

As a policy teaching abstinence alone only exacerbates the problem. That is fact.

Sounds like a them problem.

Then the only logical conclusion is that you are unbothered by teen pregnancy rates going up.

[United Muscovite Nations]

While I support hormonal contraception being covered by the state for its regulation of menstruation and the health issues that causes women, there is no reason for state health plans to cover condoms.

Considering I can get a box of Trojans from the corner store for $7.99 I'm not seeing that as a loss.

Women's birth control is far more expensive and should be covered.

Just hormonal birth control for the regulation of menstruation cycles, as many women struggle with menstrual pain.

[The South Falls]

It's expedient for the state to do so, as opposed to being left with thousands if not millions foster kids the state is unable to take care of adequately.

We have the funds to take care of children. But the state shouldn't pay for people to not have restraint.

If the state has the funds to take care of children, then shouldn't the state have the money to cover the much lesser expense of condoms, creating conditions where people can have children when ready?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Sounds like a them problem.

Then the only logical conclusion is that you are unbothered by teen pregnancy rates going up.

I would say it's not a problem I have to solve.

[Antityranicals]

While I support hormonal contraception being covered by the state for its regulation of menstruation and the health issues that causes women, there is no reason for state health plans to cover condoms.

It's expedient for the state to do so, as opposed to being left with thousands if not millions foster kids the state is unable to take care of adequately.

I hope you realize that the backlog in the system isn't with infants, but with older children. Therefore, the issue isn't with parents having surprise pregnancies, because they can simply put the infant up for adoption, without causing any backlog whatsoever.

[Salus Maior]

How about this.
Teenage pregnancy rates tend to go up in states where sex education either isn't taught or is replaced by 'abstinence only education'.

Therefore if you oppose pregnant teens (let's be honest there's nothing beneficial about getting pregnant in or before high school)
Then you should support the teaching of sex ed as well as how to use birth control and condoms.

As a policy teaching abstinence alone only exacerbates the problem. That is fact.

I'm sure what kids are watching and what's popular in the culture has nothing to do with peoples' current perception of sex.

[The Black Forrest]

Are you suggesting they control the use of insurance which is a benefit?

I don't think that the Catholic Church is insuring people for having unprotected, non-monogamous sex.

You don’t have issues with the company decided what you can do with your insurance? The Church is basically a company when you look at the finance structure.

If they don’t like it; don’t offer it. The problem? They wouldn’t attract the skilled workers needed.