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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:14 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Perhaps, perhaps. What's your fascination with Yuan Shao?


Prior to Guandu he was Cao Cao's only real contender, and given they had very different positions on the future of the empire (Cao Cao had no remaining faith in the Han dynasty, long-term, and had a very different philosophy towards who to appoint in government) I find the idea of Yuan Shao defeating Cao Cao the biggest alternative history available in the era.

And separately, the whole Shakespearian-style tragedy of the Yuan family's decline due to pride, greed, paranoia and indecision is a thrilling story to me.

It does seem Shakespearean, yes. Or Jacobean, like John Webster's work. I'm not sure how an ascendant Yuan clan might have changed things. Would we have Yuan Wei instead of Cao Wei, and that kingdom subverted by the Simas? Or something else entirely different?
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Postby The Holy Therns » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:19 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
Prior to Guandu he was Cao Cao's only real contender, and given they had very different positions on the future of the empire (Cao Cao had no remaining faith in the Han dynasty, long-term, and had a very different philosophy towards who to appoint in government) I find the idea of Yuan Shao defeating Cao Cao the biggest alternative history available in the era.

And separately, the whole Shakespearian-style tragedy of the Yuan family's decline due to pride, greed, paranoia and indecision is a thrilling story to me.

It does seem Shakespearean, yes. Or Jacobean, like John Webster's work. I'm not sure how an ascendant Yuan clan might have changed things. Would we have Yuan Wei instead of Cao Wei, and that kingdom subverted by the Simas? Or something else entirely different?


I'm pretty sure had Yuan Shao been victorious at Guandu, he'd have taken custody of the emperor and probably secured the loyalty of Xun Yu given he actually made the assumption the Han dynasty would be restored with his victory. Which if we're going by the novel would probably put Liu Bei closer to his camp, but since the novel is full of bullshit, I'm not sure who Liu Bei would work with. He was far less hostile to Yuan Shao than Cao Cao, but I'm not certain he'd be happy with Yuan Shao taking over either.

Given Sima Yi didn't take political offices until after Red Cliff, it's possible he'd never even get the opportunity in Yuan Shao's government.

It'd be a very different timeline, I think.
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Postby Katyuscha » Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:49 pm

Who knew I could live stocking produce so much. I just might transfer departments when this is all over
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Postby Ameriganastan » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:44 pm

So I saw this commercial for some 20/20 thing on Kenny Rogers earlier today. Some farewell concert thing. I say "It's like his 5th farewell concert. Only way he'll stay retired is if he drops dead".

Well...
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:38 am

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Hurdergaryp wrote:Preppers gonna prep.

It's fun. I had a cabbage left over from St. Patrick's Day and a ... uhm ... twelve pound brisket, so ...

That's a lot of brisket!


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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:16 am

Need maintenance on the car, place is empty.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:29 am

I seriously need to chill. I’ve been focusing too much on the death rates of CoVID19 and I’m driving myself into an anxiety attack. Time to find something to distract myself. Like a good book.
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Postby The Cosmic Mainframe » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:31 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I seriously need to chill. I’ve been focusing too much on the death rates of CoVID19 and I’m driving myself into an anxiety attack. Time to find something to distract myself. Like a good book.

I have no recommendations. All of the books I read are depressing.

Well, not all of them, but even the exceptions aren't particularly happy books.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:32 am

The Cosmic Mainframe wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I seriously need to chill. I’ve been focusing too much on the death rates of CoVID19 and I’m driving myself into an anxiety attack. Time to find something to distract myself. Like a good book.

I have no recommendations. All of the books I read are depressing.

Well, not all of them, but even the exceptions aren't particularly happy books.


It’s fine. I have three books lined. I just need to get back to the one I started. Cats solving crimes. Good times.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:39 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The Cosmic Mainframe wrote:I have no recommendations. All of the books I read are depressing.

Well, not all of them, but even the exceptions aren't particularly happy books.


It’s fine. I have three books lined. I just need to get back to the one I started. Cats solving crimes. Good times.


I would've gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling cats.
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Postby Moscareinas » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:05 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I seriously need to chill. I’ve been focusing too much on the death rates of CoVID19 and I’m driving myself into an anxiety attack. Time to find something to distract myself. Like a good book.


nothing says chill like the decameron, yo
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Postby Nakena » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:07 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I seriously need to chill. I’ve been focusing too much on the death rates of CoVID19 and I’m driving myself into an anxiety attack. Time to find something to distract myself. Like a good book.


:hug:

I can feel ya. I think this crisis takes the toll on everyone, also mentally.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:14 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I seriously need to chill. I’ve been focusing too much on the death rates of CoVID19 and I’m driving myself into an anxiety attack. Time to find something to distract myself. Like a good book.

Make darth elmo. Reenact scenes from the empire strikes back, backwards.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:15 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
It’s fine. I have three books lined. I just need to get back to the one I started. Cats solving crimes. Good times.


I would've gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling cats.

Meow,

I need books about me and nana as a crime fighting duo
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Postby Moscareinas » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:21 am

Nakena wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I seriously need to chill. I’ve been focusing too much on the death rates of CoVID19 and I’m driving myself into an anxiety attack. Time to find something to distract myself. Like a good book.


:hug:

I can feel ya. I think this crisis takes the toll on everyone, also mentally.


i'd make a "things you look forward to post-covid: the thread" to try and spread cheer or at least take people's minds off this virus and its ravages, but i'd like to do so with a new dahon account

so: anyone wanna play catch?
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Postby Geneviev » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:33 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I seriously need to chill. I’ve been focusing too much on the death rates of CoVID19 and I’m driving myself into an anxiety attack. Time to find something to distract myself. Like a good book.

The Time Machine by HG Wells. Alternatively, Seiten der Welt by Kai Meyer if you can read German. Those two are currently my favorite books, personally. They both are a great escape, too, especially Seiten der Welt. :)
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:43 am

I'm mostly going through the forums I visit doing jokes and countering some of the overly-superior bullshit where people think they're some superevolved elite class for fully grasping the level of danger of Corona.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:45 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I'm mostly going through the forums I visit doing jokes and countering some of the overly-superior bullshit where people think they're some superevolved elite class for fully grasping the level of danger of Corona.

I got the car repaired and am going to go to a supermarket/dept store for a few things. Then take the kid for a long hike in the middle of nowhere.
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Postby Moscareinas » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:48 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:I'm mostly going through the forums I visit doing jokes and countering some of the overly-superior bullshit where people think they're some superevolved elite class for fully grasping the level of danger of Corona.

I got the car repaired and am going to go to a supermarket/dept store for a few things. Then take the kid for a long hike in the middle of nowhere.


good for you both, especially your kid
not so nice to get stir-crazy after a while
but why not bring your spouse along (you're the hubby, right? if i recall)?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:49 am

Moscareinas wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I got the car repaired and am going to go to a supermarket/dept store for a few things. Then take the kid for a long hike in the middle of nowhere.


good for you both, especially your kid
not so nice to get stir-crazy after a while
but why not bring your spouse along (you're the hubby, right? if i recall)?

Up to her, I do always ask.
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:40 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:It's fun. I had a cabbage left over from St. Patrick's Day and a ... uhm ... twelve pound brisket, so ...

That's a lot of brisket!

I'll say; roughly 5 and a half kilos of prime cuts would be more than enough to whet my appetite for days on end, even after accounting for the parts I separate to feed Junior.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:02 am

Took a nasty spill on my bike the other day. My knees look a bit like ground beef.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:08 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:Took a nasty spill on my bike the other day. My knees look a bit like ground beef.

Serve that knee up with some sauerkraut and you'll have yourself a good meal.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:15 am

Heloin wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Took a nasty spill on my bike the other day. My knees look a bit like ground beef.

Serve that knee up with some sauerkraut and you'll have yourself a good meal.

But that would be canabalism!
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Ammunition supply-chain (6.5x55 Swede and .303 British, although available, isn't exactly everywhere)
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Postby Heloin » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:16 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Heloin wrote:Serve that knee up with some sauerkraut and you'll have yourself a good meal.

But that would be canabalism!

Don't worry, we won't judge you too much.
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