The myth called "Human Rights"

[2nd PLT]

Force? Weapons? For all the blubbering that might doesn't make right, it's what decides people's rights in the end.

I've said this before and I'll say it again...

Might doesn't make right. It makes happen, and that is more important than what's right.

I didn't see it before. Could you explain it? It makes happen...?

I didn't say it here...

I personally think it's self explanatory, but here I go.
The person with the most strength is the person who decides what happens, regardless of what is right.
I purposely worded it that way, with the bad grammar.

Also, Strength can be obtained a number of ways, currently the strongest people in the world have very little of their own strength instead opting out to buy it.

[JuNii]

Why are people always whining about their civil rights?

About their privacy, their right to have freedom of speech, their right to do whatever they wan't, the right to be treated ethical and humane, ect.

I believe it is time for this nonsense to end.

Ofcourse, right now you may think "Nonsense? Those are my god damn rights you fascist!"

Well, I have a question for you.

Who says you have those rights?

Who or what decides that?

Is it us Humans?

Well, I'll present the following question to you.

"If all the people on the world would stop believing there was gravity, would gravity cease to exist?"



Why am I posting such a silly question you may think, well the reason is that from my experience believe start to believe that human rights is a fundemental law of nature, just like gravity.

But I believe that is flawed.

I don't believe we have rights just because the media and politicians keep telling us that.

If we would all believe tomorow that the Earth is flat, then the Earth certainly wouldn't suddenly turn into a flat disk.

Human Rights don't exist, and they certainly not something like gravity or other laws of nature.

It's a thing made and invented by Human beings.

But where do these so called "Human rights" come from?

1 Word - Religion.

Think of the 10 commandments.

Or the Codex of Hammurabi in ancient mesopotamia.

And now, onto the question.

Who decides we have "rights"?

Well I would say - no one.

From this point of view I would say we have no rights, neither do we have duties.

Ofcourse, but now we live in a society.

And I believe that in order for a society to survive, and mankind in general we should make laws - to protect human from exploitation for example. And give people duties and responsibilities. Like paying your tax, going to work, don't kill other people, ect.

But I do not believe we have rights, and I can't understand how there are still those that believe believe we do - with, in my opinion having no proof whatsoever.

But ofcourse, believe what you will.

Because who says you are not allowed too?

nature gave all living creatures one right.

the right to attempt to maintain your existence. Success is not guaranteed. but we have the right to try.

Just as our document says. we have the right to pursue happiness... success is not a right.

[Volnotov]

Do you want do go to jail? Any society that wants to prosper can't just have maniacs going around killing or discriminating against people they simply don't like. That's how wars and genocides start.

You know, villains do not want to go to jail either.
I myself are much happier when the state , which represents me too ,wields power, rather than the criminals who only represent themselves

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. I'm talking about preventing fascist murders from going out and killing those they don't like, or stopping employers from unjustly firing people because of things that have nothing to do with business, or protecting people from being jailed for their personal opinions or who they voted for. Do you think it's all right for any of those things to happen, because it's all related to human rights.

First - wrong - you need no human rights for that ,because it is already against collective good. To the more, the human rights will prevent you effectively dealing with those fascist murderers.

Second - again - i myself think that private enterprise is bad, so the question becomes moot, but i still maintain it is thick favouritism to protect people from getting fired for certain such reasons but not of others

third - look at number one - sometimes it is best to prevent certain opinions, as they are harmful

Bullshit. Anyone who wants a fair, free society knows that freedom of speech is the the greatest way to perpetuate such a society. Violently censoring opinions leads directly to tyranny.

Yes, I agree 100%, it is good that we never banned the National-Socialist German Workers Party...

The American Nazi Party is a completely legitimate political party in the United States.

So you think it's ok when people abhor other human beings becaues of their skin colour or race?

You think it's totally ok if such a party may come to power(If it's truely national-socialist)?

You don't fear for the lifes of many negros/blacks, asians, latinos and ethnic Jews if that happens?

You think it would be totally fine and ok if blacks, jews, latinos and asians would be concidered sub-human degenerates?

[Ravea]

Do you want do go to jail? Any society that wants to prosper can't just have maniacs going around killing or discriminating against people they simply don't like. That's how wars and genocides start.

You know, villains do not want to go to jail either.
I myself are much happier when the state , which represents me too ,wields power, rather than the criminals who only represent themselves

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. I'm talking about preventing fascist murders from going out and killing those they don't like, or stopping employers from unjustly firing people because of things that have nothing to do with business, or protecting people from being jailed for their personal opinions or who they voted for. Do you think it's all right for any of those things to happen, because it's all related to human rights.

First - wrong - you need no human rights for that ,because it is already against collective good. To the more, the human rights will prevent you effectively dealing with those fascist murderers.

Second - again - i myself think that private enterprise is bad, so the question becomes moot, but i still maintain it is thick favouritism to protect people from getting fired for certain such reasons but not of others

third - look at number one - sometimes it is best to prevent certain opinions, as they are harmful

Bullshit. Anyone who wants a fair, free society knows that freedom of speech is the the greatest way to perpetuate such a society. Violently censoring opinions leads directly to tyranny.

Yes, I agree 100%, it is good that we never banned the National-Socialist German Workers Party...

The American Nazi Party is a completely legitimate political party in the United States.

So you think it's ok when people abhor other human beings becaues of their skin colour or race?

You think it's totally ok if such a party may come to power(If it's truely national-socialist)?

You don't fear for the lifes of many negros/blacks, asians, latinos and ethnic Jews if that happens?

You think it would be totally fine and ok if blacks, jews, latinos and asians would be concidered sub-human degenerates?

Once they start acting on those beliefs, I'll be the first to lead the resistance. I'm an ethnic Gypsy myself, and trust me, I'm as anti-Fascist as they get.

Denying them from stating their opinion, however, is against everything America was founded on.

[2nd PLT]

So you think it's ok when people abhor other human beings becaues of their skin colour or race?

You think it's totally ok if such a party may come to power(If it's truely national-socialist)?

You don't fear for the lifes of many negros/blacks, asians, latinos and ethnic Jews if that happens?

You think it would be totally fine and ok if blacks, jews, latinos and asians would be concidered sub-human degenerates?

Once they start acting on those beliefs, I'll be the first to lead the resistance. I'm an ethnic Gypsy myself, and trust me, I'm as anti-Fascist as they get.

Denying them from stating their opinion, however, is against everything America was founded on.

And remember, if they can't state their opinions, how are we to know who to target?
EDIT:I meant the Nazi's, how would we know who is a Nazi?

[Puff-Puff-Pass Land]

So you think it's ok when people abhor other human beings becaues of their skin colour or race?

You think it's totally ok if such a party may come to power(If it's truely national-socialist)?

You don't fear for the lifes of many negros/blacks, asians, latinos and ethnic Jews if that happens?

You think it would be totally fine and ok if blacks, jews, latinos and asians would be concidered sub-human degenerates?

Once they start acting on those beliefs, I'll be the first to lead the resistance. I'm an ethnic Gypsy myself, and trust me, I'm as anti-Fascist as they get.

Denying them from stating their opinion, however, is against everything America was founded on.

And remember, if they can't state their opinions, how are we to know who to target?

[Volnotov]

Do you want do go to jail? Any society that wants to prosper can't just have maniacs going around killing or discriminating against people they simply don't like. That's how wars and genocides start.

You know, villains do not want to go to jail either.
I myself are much happier when the state , which represents me too ,wields power, rather than the criminals who only represent themselves

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. I'm talking about preventing fascist murders from going out and killing those they don't like, or stopping employers from unjustly firing people because of things that have nothing to do with business, or protecting people from being jailed for their personal opinions or who they voted for. Do you think it's all right for any of those things to happen, because it's all related to human rights.

First - wrong - you need no human rights for that ,because it is already against collective good. To the more, the human rights will prevent you effectively dealing with those fascist murderers.

Second - again - i myself think that private enterprise is bad, so the question becomes moot, but i still maintain it is thick favouritism to protect people from getting fired for certain such reasons but not of others

third - look at number one - sometimes it is best to prevent certain opinions, as they are harmful

Bullshit. Anyone who wants a fair, free society knows that freedom of speech is the the greatest way to perpetuate such a society. Violently censoring opinions leads directly to tyranny.

Yes, I agree 100%, it is good that we never banned the National-Socialist German Workers Party...

The American Nazi Party is a completely legitimate political party in the United States.

So you think it's ok when people abhor other human beings becaues of their skin colour or race?

You think it's totally ok if such a party may come to power(If it's truely national-socialist)?

You don't fear for the lifes of many negros/blacks, asians, latinos and ethnic Jews if that happens?

You think it would be totally fine and ok if blacks, jews, latinos and asians would be concidered sub-human degenerates?

Once they start acting on those beliefs, I'll be the first to lead the resistance. I'm an ethnic Gypsy myself, and trust me, I'm as anti-Fascist as they get.

Denying them from stating their opinion, however, is against everything America was founded on.

But you do not oppose the ideology of the party?

Or the party its self?

Or nazi parades in your city/town?

I have a question, do you have values or ideals?

I would rather live in a society were such people would be locked up forever till they changed their minds then to live in a country with frequent nazi parades.

I like countries that have something that they stand for and believe in.

Even if that means less civil freedoms.

[Zeppy]

And remember, if they can't state their opinions, how are we to know who to target?
EDIT:I meant the Nazi's, how would we know who is a Nazi?

Their shoe size.
Everyone knows Nazi where size 7 boots, to signify their smallness in some areas.

[Zeppy]

I like countries that have something that they stand for and believe in.

I always liked nationalist nations. >_>

[Puff-Puff-Pass Land]

Do you want do go to jail? Any society that wants to prosper can't just have maniacs going around killing or discriminating against people they simply don't like. That's how wars and genocides start.

You know, villains do not want to go to jail either.
I myself are much happier when the state , which represents me too ,wields power, rather than the criminals who only represent themselves

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. I'm talking about preventing fascist murders from going out and killing those they don't like, or stopping employers from unjustly firing people because of things that have nothing to do with business, or protecting people from being jailed for their personal opinions or who they voted for. Do you think it's all right for any of those things to happen, because it's all related to human rights.

First - wrong - you need no human rights for that ,because it is already against collective good. To the more, the human rights will prevent you effectively dealing with those fascist murderers.

Second - again - i myself think that private enterprise is bad, so the question becomes moot, but i still maintain it is thick favouritism to protect people from getting fired for certain such reasons but not of others

third - look at number one - sometimes it is best to prevent certain opinions, as they are harmful

Bullshit. Anyone who wants a fair, free society knows that freedom of speech is the the greatest way to perpetuate such a society. Violently censoring opinions leads directly to tyranny.

Yes, I agree 100%, it is good that we never banned the National-Socialist German Workers Party...

The American Nazi Party is a completely legitimate political party in the United States.

So you think it's ok when people abhor other human beings becaues of their skin colour or race?

You think it's totally ok if such a party may come to power(If it's truely national-socialist)?

You don't fear for the lifes of many negros/blacks, asians, latinos and ethnic Jews if that happens?

You think it would be totally fine and ok if blacks, jews, latinos and asians would be concidered sub-human degenerates?

Once they start acting on those beliefs, I'll be the first to lead the resistance. I'm an ethnic Gypsy myself, and trust me, I'm as anti-Fascist as they get.

Denying them from stating their opinion, however, is against everything America was founded on.

But you do not oppose the ideology of the party?

Or the party its self?

Or nazi parades in your city/town?

I have a question, do you have values or ideals?

I would rather live in a society were such people would be locked up forever till they changed their minds then to live in a country with frequent nazi parades.

I like countries that have something that they stand for and believe in.

Even if that means less civil freedoms.

Germany, under Nazi rule, had much to stand up for and believe in. Nazism!

[Volnotov]

I like countries that have something that they stand for and believe in.

I always liked nationalist nations. >_>

I must be honest I am fiercly Nationalist.

A society with only freedoms and no responsiblities is not what I call a society.

I believe a society is a group of people working and living together,

Having laws and values.

What is a society without something to stand for or believe in?

[Ravea]

But you do not oppose the ideology of the party?

Or the party its self?

Or nazi parades in your city/town?

I have a question, do you have values or ideals?

I would rather live in a society were such people would be locked up forever till they changed their minds then to live in a country with frequent nazi parades.

I like countries that have something that they stand for and believe in.

Even if that means less civil freedoms.

Of course I disagree with Nazism. More than a few of my relatives were wiped out in the Porrajmos. Nazism is everything I despise and hate. Outlawing their opinion makes me no better than them, who casually outlawed the opinions of those who disagreed with them. Do you see where I'm going with this?

And thankfully there really aren't a whole lot of people who parade around as Nazis in America. A small, perhaps vocal minority, but not alot. And they certainly won't be taking over the government any time soon.

[Puff-Puff-Pass Land]

I like countries that have something that they stand for and believe in.

I always liked nationalist nations. >_>

I must be honest I am fiercly Nationalist.

A society with only freedoms and no responsiblities is not what I call a society.

I believe a society is a group of people working and living together,

Having laws and values.

What is a society without something to stand for or believe in?

You mean, apart from a society?

[Old Erisia]

I like countries that have something that they stand for and believe in.

I always liked nationalist nations. >_>

I must be honest I am fiercly Nationalist.

A society with only freedoms and no responsiblities is not what I call a society.

I believe a society is a group of people working and living together,

Having laws and values.

What is a society without something to stand for or believe in?

Emo? Are protection of "rights" needed for society?

[Lunatic Goofballs]

I like countries that have something that they stand for and believe in.

I always liked nationalist nations. >_>

I must be honest I am fiercly Nationalist.

A society with only freedoms and no responsiblities is not what I call a society.

I believe a society is a group of people working and living together,

Having laws and values.

What is a society without something to stand for or believe in?

I think of society as a tool, not a cause.

[Puff-Puff-Pass Land]

I like countries that have something that they stand for and believe in.

I always liked nationalist nations. >_>

I must be honest I am fiercly Nationalist.

A society with only freedoms and no responsiblities is not what I call a society.

I believe a society is a group of people working and living together,

Having laws and values.

What is a society without something to stand for or believe in?

I think of society as a tool, not a cause.

LG, I have always agreed with you, and I still will.

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[2nd PLT]

I like countries that have something that they stand for and believe in.

I always liked nationalist nations. >_>

I must be honest I am fiercly Nationalist.
A society with only freedoms and no responsiblities is not what I call a society.
I believe a society is a group of people working and living together,
Having laws and values.
What is a society without something to stand for or believe in?

What reason is there to be prideful of where you were born?
You didn't chose it, that is just where you ended up.
BTW Don't confuse Morals and Values. I don't see that you are, but I'm just making sure you don't in the future.

I think of society as a tool, not a cause.

I second this!

[Zeppy]

I think of society as a tool, not a cause.

Personally, the only human right that should be highly respected is the right to leave and choice their own society.

[Self--Esteem]

I like countries that have something that they stand for and believe in.

I always liked nationalist nations. >_>

I must be honest I am fiercly Nationalist.

A society with only freedoms and no responsiblities is not what I call a society.

I believe a society is a group of people working and living together,

Having laws and values.

What is a society without something to stand for or believe in?

A peaceful society

So what exactly do you call responsibilities and what are those "illegitimate freedoms"?
Do you think life itself might be a true, naturally given right? The right to live and work for his own good? What do you consider legitimate laws and values?

[Volnotov]

But you do not oppose the ideology of the party?

Or the party its self?

Or nazi parades in your city/town?

I have a question, do you have values or ideals?

I would rather live in a society were such people would be locked up forever till they changed their minds then to live in a country with frequent nazi parades.

I like countries that have something that they stand for and believe in.

Even if that means less civil freedoms.

Of course I disagree with Nazism. More than a few of my relatives were wiped out in the Porrajmos. Nazism is everything I despise and hate. Outlawing their opinion makes me no better than them, who casually outlawed the opinions of those who disagreed with them. Do you see where I'm going with this?

And thankfully there really aren't a whole lot of people who parade around as Nazis in America. A small, perhaps vocal minority, but not alot. And they certainly won't be taking over the government any time soon.

I'm fine with discussing their opinions in open debates and discussions.

And I am not saying I decide what people may believe or what believe may not believe.

But if a society, a nation stand for... for example - equal rights for men and women, and suddenly we have got a religious group saying that women are the property of men and that we should not have equal rights.

then I am fine discussing with them and talking to them about their opinions.

But if they start to get violent or start to protest then I would have no problem with arresting each one of them and put them in labour camps for the rest of their lives.

I believe I can't force society to become something I want it to be if the people themselfs refuse to live up to my values and standards.

But I can atleast try to oppose and protect my country.

[Chumblywumbly]

I'm just wondering if there is a fundemental law, engraved into the very fabric of time and space that says human biengs have the right of free speech...

Of course not.

There are, however, certain documents.

[Augarundus]

So what exactly is your point?

That people stop bitching about their non-existant human rights and stop trying to hamper the progress of human society because they can't put the greater good above their pathetic self interests and above their primitive animal instincts.

These are natural rights.

I have a right to myself, and all that I own.

The question as to 'why' cannot be answered with an extensive response, as this is a self-explanatory statement. I am myself, reality exists as an objective absolute, and man is an end onto himself, not a means for a goal.

Thus, as I am an end onto myself, my body, my intellect, my property, and my speech are inalienable; they cannot be taken away by another entity, who is my equal. Accepting that each individual is equal, a majority of individuals cannot violate the agreed-upon rights of a single being, as the brute force of a 'democratic' mob is neither a moral nor intellectual justification for a violation of the fact that I am an end onto myself, and I own myself.

Through the justification of my being simply being an absolute reality, and thus my ownership of myself, my thoughts, and my property, I have achieved the rights to those. No other collective or single being can violate these; such crimes are theft and murder.

Morality is not relative to circumstance, but rather absolute, objective, and real. Reality is, itself, real, absolute, and objective. Factual.

Moreover, even if I have no rights, what rights have you, then, to take from me or, for that matter, even exist?

[South Lorenya]

Human rights existed long before religion; if anything, religion is TAKING AWAY those rights.

[The Black Plains]

Why are people always whining about their civil rights?

snip the shitload of annoying spaces between every goddamn sentence.

They are called rights because they are something we human beings need to fully function and function as happy, contributing members of society. Property, Prose, Person. Basically, the right to have what I want, to say what I want, and to do what I want with my own being. As to why they are "rights" well this is quite simple. People will defend them. Without the right to any of these three people have shown a tendency, throughout history, to go completely batshit insane. Without the right to your person, your speech, and your property you have nothing to live for and you value your life less and less and are willing to become more and more radical. This is not just opinion, there's a term for it after a philosopher... I wanna say it's called the Bastiat Effect (because person, property, and speech was like his whole thing) but I may just be saying that because I am familiar with him.

[Puff-Puff-Pass Land]

I like countries that have something that they stand for and believe in.

I always liked nationalist nations. >_>

I must be honest I am fiercly Nationalist.
A society with only freedoms and no responsiblities is not what I call a society.
I believe a society is a group of people working and living together,
Having laws and values.
What is a society without something to stand for or believe in?

What reason is there to be prideful of where you were born?
You didn't chose it, that is just where you ended up.
BTW Don't confuse Morals and Values. I don't see that you are, but I'm just making sure you don't in the future.

I think of society as a tool, not a cause.

I second this!

I was born in Ireland, while my folks were on vacation. I've lived in CA since.