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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:59 pm

Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:Those graphs show a poor correlation at best, and we already know there are different underlying factors in wartorn regions.

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Then look at the best of both. The world's most peaceful regions are less religious than the USA.
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Postby Valentine Z » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:00 pm

I'm sure Gods and Deities can procure up a small loan of a few quadrillion dollars.

That, or if you win the lawsuit, they will give humanity the ownership of the Sun.
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Postby Dagnia » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:00 pm

First you need some representative of "religion". You could sue certain organizations, but you won't get far. Advocating against contraception is free speech. So is advocating against gay marriage and lobbying against stem cell research. If a person with AIDS contracted it by having consensual sex with someone and refused to use a condom because their priest told them it was wrong, it's on them, not the church. The Catholic Church is in fact being sued into bankruptcy (at least the diocese in my area) because of all the altar boys that got raped, but that's about all you can sue them for.
As for the maps, what they lack in telling the whole story, they make up for in pretty colors. Outside of the Middle East, those conflicts are not religious. In South America, it typically involves drugs and socialism. In Sub-Saharan Africa, it's tribal and resource conflict. One fifth of the world lives in an officially atheist state that according to your own map is a relatively high conflict zone and where religion is involved there, it's the communists violently suppressing religions and harvesting the organs of the believers. By your logic, Poland should be a warzone right now, but it's one of the safest parts of Europe.
You seem hyper focused on Christianity, which is pretty tame when it comes to anything other than sexual hypocrisy, while the one religion you might find grounds for an actual lawsuit against goes entirely unmentioned in your rant. Christians and Buddhists get along just fine in Korea, Christians and Hindus get along just fine in India, Christians and Animists get along just fine in Ghana. The only time these religions get violent over religion is when they are faced with the religion of peace.
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Postby Mirial Magna » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:00 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Purgatio wrote:Vatican City in any national court would be barred under State immunity

What about those who ship Catholic churchgoers' money from other countries to Vatican City? Would lawsuits against them be actionable?

Catholicism is just one denomination of one religion. They don't represent all religions.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:01 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:Those graphs show a poor correlation at best, and we already know there are different underlying factors in wartorn regions.

NS threads intelligence quality has been going downhill lately.

Then look at the best of both. The world's most peaceful regions are less religious than the USA.


Not sure that has anything to do with less religion and everything to do with economical prosperity.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:02 pm

Valentine Z wrote:I'm sure Gods and Deities can procure up a small loan of a few quadrillion dollars.

That, or if you win the lawsuit, they will give humanity the ownership of the Sun.

I don't know Val, can human be entrusted such a magnificent thing without trying to develop a weapon from it? :p

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Postby Kowani » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:03 pm

…I’m pretty sure you can’t sue the Vatican. Individual Bishops, maybe...
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Postby Shokpos » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:03 pm

Poland
Hungary
Bhutan
Ghana
Indonesia
Switzerland
Portugal
Chile
Ireland
Costa Rica

This "coorelation" really only works in the third world eh. Seems more a poverty problem to me.

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Postby Valentine Z » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:04 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Valentine Z wrote:I'm sure Gods and Deities can procure up a small loan of a few quadrillion dollars.

That, or if you win the lawsuit, they will give humanity the ownership of the Sun.

I don't know Val, can human be entrusted such a magnificent thing without trying to develop a weapon from it? :p

This is a plot by the humanity to build a literal Death Star, isn't it? :blink:
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:04 pm

Kowani wrote:…I’m pretty sure you can’t sue the Vatican. Individual Bishops, maybe...


According to the lawsuits popping in search, it seems that yes, you can sue the Vatican.
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Postby Shokpos » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:04 pm

Valentine Z wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:I don't know Val, can human be entrusted such a magnificent thing without trying to develop a weapon from it? :p

This is a plot by the humanity to build a literal Death Star, isn't it? :blink:

yes

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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:06 pm

Kowani wrote:…I’m pretty sure you can’t sue the Vatican. Individual Bishops, maybe...

I'm waiting for somebody to sue the Pope.
He is an amazing individual but your post tempts me

Valentine Z wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:I don't know Val, can human be entrusted such a magnificent thing without trying to develop a weapon from it? :p

This is a plot by the humanity to build a literal Death Star, isn't it? :blink:

Sstt, they will hear and realize that two meddling kids have uncover the plan!

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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:06 pm

Mirial Magna wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:What about those who ship Catholic churchgoers' money from other countries to Vatican City? Would lawsuits against them be actionable?

Catholicism is just one denomination of one religion. They don't represent all religions.

Hence the proposal to co-ordinate the timing of anti-Catholic lawsuits to be simultaneous with lawsuits against other denominations.
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3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Kowani » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:07 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Kowani wrote:…I’m pretty sure you can’t sue the Vatican. Individual Bishops, maybe...


According to the lawsuits popping in search, it seems that yes, you can sue the Vatican.

Did anyone win any of these lawsuits?
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:07 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Religion has succeeded in smearing all humanity as hopelessly evil without it. You have prominent advocates of Christianity blaming atheism for the actions of some of the 20th century's worst mass murderers, as if belief in a God whose supposed edicts aren't really clearly stated would've stopped them.

Meanwhile in the real world, the correlation is clear.

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These two pictures demonstrate no correlation.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:08 pm

Kowani wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
According to the lawsuits popping in search, it seems that yes, you can sue the Vatican.

Did anyone win any of these lawsuits?


The ones I’m looking at are still ongoing.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:11 pm

Can we sue every political ideology and sport next? Can we sue every nation next? Can we sue poverty next?

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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:11 pm

Shokpos wrote:Why destroy when you could fix.

Because it has a faulty foundation? If a house had a poorly-built foundation, demolition would be more practical than an attempt to fix the ongoing problems caused by its faulty foundation.

And I'm not sure foundations get more faulty than internally-contradictory scriptures written in the iron age...
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Neu Estovakia » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:13 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Shokpos wrote:Why destroy when you could fix.

Because it has a faulty foundation? If a house had a poorly-built foundation, demolition would be more practical than an attempt to fix the ongoing problems caused by its faulty foundation.

And I'm not sure foundations get more faulty than internally-contradictory scriptures written in the iron age...


Seriously? Why bother with an institution that will end up dying out naturally? More importantly is religion really that much of a blight on the world in your eyes that is worth pursuing a frivolous lawsuit against it, that will inevitably end up going nowhere?

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Postby Kowani » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:14 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Kowani wrote:Did anyone win any of these lawsuits?


The ones I’m looking at are still ongoing.

I see...
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:15 pm

Interesting bit. In 2009, US appeals court: although suing the Holy See is a long shot, members of it can be individually sued. O’Bryan vs. Holy See case. Plaintiff dropped case later on though. But here’s the case: https://casetext.com/case/obryan-v-holy-see
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Postby Shokpos » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:15 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Shokpos wrote:Why destroy when you could fix.

Because it has a faulty foundation? If a house had a poorly-built foundation, demolition would be more practical than an attempt to fix the ongoing problems caused by its faulty foundation.

And I'm not sure foundations get more faulty than internally-contradictory scriptures written in the iron age...

Something as simplistic as changing or removing violent doctrine that is few and far between does no constitute destroying the values systems of 5 billion people. Some of those needed changes already have come and have done wonders, separation of church and state for example has done wonders, were Christians murdering everyone who disagreed with them when they didn't have sway over the matters of state in the Roman Empire, no, because it started as the religion for the humbled man. Things really went to pot when the pope had control over many of Europe's countries, seems more of an issue of power rather than value.
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LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote: internally-contradictory scriptures written in the iron age...

Examples of internally contradictory scriptures?
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:17 pm

Shokpos wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Because it has a faulty foundation? If a house had a poorly-built foundation, demolition would be more practical than an attempt to fix the ongoing problems caused by its faulty foundation.

And I'm not sure foundations get more faulty than internally-contradictory scriptures written in the iron age...

Something as simplistic as changing or removing violent doctrine that is few and far between does no constitute destroying the values systems of 5 billion people.

If the Bible were really the "divinely inspired word of God" there should be no need to remove "violent doctrine" because it shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Unless there really is a God and he genuinely meant that "violent doctrine" in which case we're fucked anyway.
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2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:17 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote: internally-contradictory scriptures written in the iron age...

Examples of internally contradictory scriptures?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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