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Postby Vetalia » Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:49 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:You could stretch things and make "God" be an actual defendant, like she did

My post was more geared towards the OP, who seems to want to sue "religion"


Stretch it or not, how exactly can you serve papers to a deity? It’s silly. Funny as all hell but in the end, not doable. How do you sue an abstract concept like a religion, or the idea of it? I mean, unless you go the route of the movie plot I mentioned that is. And even then...


Actually, maybe we need something like this to finally bring an end to the absurdity of the "war on terrorism". Maybe we can also file a lawsuit against drugs to achieve the same results.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:50 pm

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Makes you wonder, right? Can I sue the Baker from Strawberry Shortcake? He caused me many a nightmare as a child.

Interestingly enough, God hasn’t been the only target. Lord Rama was sued for mistreating his wife.

It would also be interesting if, when you sue "God," would you be suing Yahweh, "God" God, Allah, or the Mormon concept of "God?"


There’s that. “So, which Godly denomination are you suing today, sir? We have the Abrahamic one, the Muslim one, the Fire and Brimstone Hysterical, the John Smith special, the FLDS combo or the secret salamander in the dessert mix and match.”
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Postby Aureumterra » Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:50 pm

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Betty Penrose, for example, sued God.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawsuits_against_God

Can you sue fictional beings?

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:51 pm

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Stretch it or not, how exactly can you serve papers to a deity? It’s silly. Funny as all hell but in the end, not doable. How do you sue an abstract concept like a religion, or the idea of it? I mean, unless you go the route of the movie plot I mentioned that is. And even then...

I know, suing God is ridiculous, but considering there are people who think the Earth is flat, there are probably people who want to sue God or even worse, "religion"


I couldn’t find specific lawsuits against religion but I wasn’t delving deep. I wouldn’t doubt if someone has already tried.
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Postby Aureumterra » Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:52 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:I know, suing God is ridiculous, but considering there are people who think the Earth is flat, there are probably people who want to sue God or even worse, "religion"


I couldn’t find specific lawsuits against religion but I wasn’t delving deep. I wouldn’t doubt if someone has already tried.

The OP seems to affirm this
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:53 pm

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I couldn’t find specific lawsuits against religion but I wasn’t delving deep. I wouldn’t doubt if someone has already tried.

The OP seems to affirm this


It’s a LUNA thread in the end. As you follow his argument throughout the thread, the reasoning for one is rather flimsy.

At best, he can sue a religious organization. So he could presumably sue, say, a mosque or the imam or a Catholic diocese and a particular priest or priests in it. But he can’t sue Catholicism or Islam.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:54 pm

Vetalia wrote:
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Stretch it or not, how exactly can you serve papers to a deity? It’s silly. Funny as all hell but in the end, not doable. How do you sue an abstract concept like a religion, or the idea of it? I mean, unless you go the route of the movie plot I mentioned that is. And even then...


Actually, maybe we need something like this to finally bring an end to the absurdity of the "war on terrorism". Maybe we can also file a lawsuit against drugs to achieve the same results.


You leave our drugs and fun outta this, you hear! :eek:
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:59 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:It would also be interesting if, when you sue "God," would you be suing Yahweh, "God" God, Allah, or the Mormon concept of "God?"


There’s that. “So, which Godly denomination are you suing today, sir? We have the Abrahamic one, the Muslim one, the Fire and Brimstone Hysterical, the John Smith special, the FLDS combo or the secret salamander in the dessert mix and match.”

Do you mean Joseph Smith, one of these John Smiths, or a generic John Smith?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:01 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
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There’s that. “So, which Godly denomination are you suing today, sir? We have the Abrahamic one, the Muslim one, the Fire and Brimstone Hysterical, the John Smith special, the FLDS combo or the secret salamander in the dessert mix and match.”

Do you mean Joseph Smith, one of these John Smiths, or a generic John Smith?


John Joseph Jingle Himerschmidt! Yeah, the Mormon bloke. I keep confusing my Js.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:03 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Do you mean Joseph Smith, one of these John Smiths, or a generic John Smith?


John Joseph Jingle Himerschmidt! Yeah, the Mormon bloke. I keep confusing my Js.

I'll never forget that fucker's name, so I can remind you every time you need reminding.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:04 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
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John Joseph Jingle Himerschmidt! Yeah, the Mormon bloke. I keep confusing my Js.

I'll never forget that fucker's name, so I can remind you every time you need reminding.


Pft. Meanie.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:05 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:The OP seems to affirm this


It’s a LUNA thread in the end. As you follow his argument throughout the thread, the reasoning for one is rather flimsy.

At best, he can sue a religious organization. So he could presumably sue, say, a mosque or the imam or a Catholic diocese and a particular priest or priests in it. But he can’t sue Catholicism or Islam.

I still feel my idea of possibly suing those who bringing money to the Vatican collected from followers in other countries has not been adequately addressed.
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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I'll never forget that fucker's name, so I can remind you every time you need reminding.


Pft. Meanie.

Gently remind you, then?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:06 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
It’s a LUNA thread in the end. As you follow his argument throughout the thread, the reasoning for one is rather flimsy.

At best, he can sue a religious organization. So he could presumably sue, say, a mosque or the imam or a Catholic diocese and a particular priest or priests in it. But he can’t sue Catholicism or Islam.

I still feel my idea of possibly suing those who bringing money to the Vatican collected from followers in other countries has not been adequately addressed.


That has nothing to do with suing a religion however. If these people are found to be doing something wrong, as individuals, you can certainly sue them.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:06 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
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Pft. Meanie.

Gently remind you, then?


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Postby Xmara » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:30 pm

Judging by the two maps, there really isn't that much of a correlation between religion and violence. A number of very religious nations are ranked as peaceful, and a number of very non-religious nations were ranked as violent.

What you are doing is completely misrepresenting data to push an agenda, and it actually makes me quite angry.

And no, you can't sue religion. Makes as much sense as suing communism or capitalism or any other ideology.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:33 pm

Xmara wrote:Judging by the two maps, there really isn't that much of a correlation between religion and violence. A number of very religious nations are ranked as peaceful, and a number of very non-religious nations were ranked as violent.

What you are doing is completely misrepresenting data to push an agenda, and it actually makes me quite angry.

"There are some data that don't exactly fit your model, therefore your model is wrong." :thinking:
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Postby Mirial Magna » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:38 pm

If you're interested in suing, I've managed to locate the CEO of religion.

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Postby Xmara » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:39 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Xmara wrote:Judging by the two maps, there really isn't that much of a correlation between religion and violence. A number of very religious nations are ranked as peaceful, and a number of very non-religious nations were ranked as violent.

What you are doing is completely misrepresenting data to push an agenda, and it actually makes me quite angry.

"There are some data that don't exactly fit your model, therefore your model is wrong." :thinking:

Okay, so maybe "complete misrepresentation" was an exaggeration.

But I still think the OP's idea is absurd.
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Postby Weaponized EMP Monopolies » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:41 pm

yes

send religions to prison

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:43 pm

Weaponized EMP Monopolies wrote:yes

send religions to prison


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Postby Vetalia » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:49 pm

Mirial Magna wrote:If you're interested in suing, I've managed to locate the CEO of religion.

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Something doesn't quite add up there.
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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Weaponized EMP Monopolies wrote:yes

send religions to prison


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Postby Vetalia » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:51 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Weaponized EMP Monopolies wrote:yes

send religions to prison


Will they have rights to conjugal visits?


This isn't white collar resort prison, it's Federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:00 pm

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LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Is there any hope of a lawsuit against religion for all the deaths it has caused?

No.


Only if I can sue the remaining Captive Nations, plus Russia, for the damage caused by Marxism and Atheism.

Also Germany for (more) reparations from Atheism (or at least opposition to religion as it stood at the time), as envisioned by Nazi Germany. (Hitler explicitly desired to destroy the Church and gas Christians; this was his "Kurchenkampf" and was the next phase of the Holocaust after the "undesirables" were destroyed. While some in the SS were pagans, Hitler was not.)

Atheism's body count was formed in one hundred years. Organized religion's count, in ten thousand.
The Great Leap Forward alone cost sixty million men their lives. While religion, over ten thousand years, can be attributed (directly or indirectly) to more deaths, violence in the name of organized religion has never killed as rapidly as Atheism.

Organized religion has a higher body count because it's been here since the dawn of man. That's it. It was under Atheist states that mass killing became a perfect science. Islam can't hold a candle to Red China, the USSR, the eugenicists, the baby killers, and the whole nine yards.

Sue yourself before you attack the reason why people think violence against the innocent, the dignity of all human life, and the very nature of having rights simply because you are human, with no qualifiers, exist.

Who should be held more for bloodshed? The myriad of organized religions since the Bronze Age, negating all the good and charity they have also done, and why society views morality the way it does?

Or the mere one hundred years of officially, vocally Atheist states that have butchered, and continue to butcher, one-fifth of the world's population?

Also, your shifty map shows Russia as one of the most violent on earth. Its "most religious" status is lower than the USA.
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