Any hope of a lawsuit against religion?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The ones I’m looking at are still ongoing.

I see...

Here’s another case brought against the Holy See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doe_v._Holy_See, just FYI.

[Samudera Darussalam]

internally-contradictory scriptures written in the iron age...

Examples of internally contradictory scriptures?

I can sense the chaos

Just a reminder that maybe when the discussion gets too....deep about one's religion, maybe it'll be better if it's discussed in the appropriate threads i.e. CDT, IDT, etc.

[Shokpos]

Examples of internally contradictory scriptures?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

Do you realize that outside of the ten commandments, nothing from the old testament is doctrine.

[Auristania]

Either file a Class action Lawsuit at International Court in the Hague OR sue each denomination in each Nation for the crimes of each denomination

USA: Roman Church has many Bishops, sue the BIg Archbishop and his minions for the crimes of all USA Romanists; Islam has several denominations, sue each Arch-Ayotollah for the crimes of each denomination; there are maybe 1,000 Prod denominations, sue each Archbishop. Repeat in each nation.

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[Neu Estovakia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

Do you realize that outside of the ten commandments, nothing from the old testament is doctrine.

No, he doesn't. All he cares about is pursuing an irrational vendetta against organized religion.

[THE Grob]

You can't SUE religion but I can see somebody taking action against it

Well, likely in a way that's not legal.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Either file a Class action Lawsuit at International Court in the Hague OR sue each denomination in each Nation for the crimes of each denomination

USA: Roman Church has many Bishops, sue the BIg Archbishop and his minions for the crimes of all USA Romanists; Islam has several denominations, sue each Arch-Ayotollah for the crimes of each denomination; there are maybe 1,000 Prod denominations, sue each Archbishop. Repeat in each nation.

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That would be incredibly costly, don’t you think?

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

Do you realize that outside of the ten commandments, nothing from the old testament is doctrine.

Not really much of a better case: https://jewsforjesus.org/publications/i ... onsistent/

[Shokpos]

Do you realize that outside of the ten commandments, nothing from the old testament is doctrine.

Not really much of a better case: https://jewsforjesus.org/publications/i ... onsistent/

This a run down of the contradictions of the prophets and the old testament. The only new testament thing in this website is whether or not someone from Nazareth is called a Nazarene

[Hammer Britannia]

Examples of internally contradictory scriptures?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

And you want to sue all religions because of one book?

I'll admit it, Christianity is filled with contradictions like that, but you know what? There are 5000+ religions in this world. Along with this, you have yet to explain how the fact people died over religon deserves special treatment over any kind of violent deaths

WW2 killed more than 75 million, the war before it killed millions, the conquests of Rome killed millions, the colonization of both the Americas and Africa killed millions.

Why do the monarchs of Europe get a pass while Shamanistic religions don't? Why shouldn't Communism, Fascism, and Capitalism get sued when Hinduism gets a lawsuit? Why doesn't all tribalism get punished while religion does? Humans are violent and tribal, and that is not a fault of religon.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

And you want to sue all religions because of one book?

I'll admit it, Christianity is filled with contradictions like that, but you know what? There are 5000+ religions in this world. Along with this, you have yet to explain how the fact people died over religon deserves special treatment over any kind of violent deaths

WW2 killed more than 75 million, the war before it killed millions, the conquests of Rome killed millions, the colonization of both the Americas and Africa killed millions.

Why do the monarchs of Europe get a pass while Shamanistic religions don't? Why doesn't all tribalism get punished while religion does? Humans are violent and tribal, and that is not a fault of religon.

Yeah, that’s a very ridiculous idea. I would understand the suing of particular individuals or institutions because of wrongdoing but the entirety of a religion? Gimme a break.

[Idzequitch]

Correlation does not imply causation.

The correlation here is loose at best, despite OP's claims. And I also can't help but notice that the countries that are highlighted as the most violent are by and large also lacking in wealth, aside from the few corrupt rich folks who basically egg on the violence. Some violence is religious in nature, no doubt. But I would argue that on the question of causation (as opposed to simple correlation) a great deal of the world's violence is born out of poverty, and the desperation associated with being unable to afford basic necessities.

[Vetalia]

Correlation does not imply causation.

The correlation here is loose at best, despite OP's claims. And I also can't help but notice that the countries that are highlighted as the most violent are by and large also lacking in wealth, aside from the few corrupt rich folks who basically egg on the violence. Some violence is religious in nature, no doubt. But I would argue that on the question of causation (as opposed to simple correlation) a great deal of the world's violence is born out of poverty, and the desperation associated with being unable to afford basic necessities.

I think the argument is backwards...if anything, a less stable and impoverished environment is going to lead to a flourishing of religion because in many cases that's the only stable national organization available, and most likely the least corrupt as well. It also provides a source of hope and community in the face of these circumstances.

[Kernen]

I'm going to ignore all the hysteria and cut straight to the heart of the matter.

What centralized board of directors will represent "religion" in the suit? Who are the common owner(s) of "religion" that you could sue it/them?

Clergy in the different churches. Catholicism, protestantism, orthodoxy, etc...

...would it need to be targeted at a specific denomination, or could it be done simultaneously to several denominations so that with different denominations you see which charges stick? (I have a feeling "one denomination at a time" might lead to Catholics asking why we don't sue the protestants first, protestants asking why we don't sue the Catholics first, etc...)

You can't sue an idea, and mere membership in clergy is insufficient to make one culpable for religion's multitude of sins.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

And you want to sue all religions because of one book?

I'll admit it, Christianity is filled with contradictions like that, but you know what? There are 5000+ religions in this world. Along with this, you have yet to explain how the fact people died over religon deserves special treatment over any kind of violent deaths

WW2 killed more than 75 million, the war before it killed millions, the conquests of Rome killed millions, the colonization of both the Americas and Africa killed millions.

Why do the monarchs of Europe get a pass while Shamanistic religions don't? Why shouldn't Communism, Fascism, and Capitalism get sued when Hinduism gets a lawsuit? Why doesn't all tribalism get punished while religion does? Humans are violent and tribal, and that is not a fault of religon.

Gee, if only the OP mentioned factors other than tribalism or something.

Nevertheless, religion is one of many forms of tribalism. Nationalism is another... and it, too, correlates with religion as evidenced by Trump votes in the Bible belt. Easier to be nationalistic when you think God's on your country's side than otherwise.

The only way any of this is a defense of religion is if you think religion's the only thing holding even worse forms of tribalism back. As in, worse by a margin that more than offsets what I mentioned in the OP.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Why destroy when you could fix.

Because it has a faulty foundation? If a house had a poorly-built foundation, demolition would be more practical than an attempt to fix the ongoing problems caused by its faulty foundation.

And I'm not sure foundations get more faulty than internally-contradictory scriptures written in the iron age...

Actually, if a house has a faulty foundation, you can repair, or even replace the foundation instead of scrapping the entire house.

[Shokpos]

Correlation does not imply causation.

The correlation here is loose at best, despite OP's claims. And I also can't help but notice that the countries that are highlighted as the most violent are by and large also lacking in wealth, aside from the few corrupt rich folks who basically egg on the violence. Some violence is religious in nature, no doubt. But I would argue that on the question of causation (as opposed to simple correlation) a great deal of the world's violence is born out of poverty, and the desperation associated with being unable to afford basic necessities.

I think the argument is backwards...if anything, a less stable and impoverished environment is going to lead to a flourishing of religion because in many cases that's the only stable national organization available, and most likely the least corrupt as well. It also provides a source of hope and community in the face of these circumstances.

Not necessarily, when Christianity came into being, it was in a world much like what you say, but the religion isn't inherently violent, and definitly wasn't until it became a political force. I do think poverty plays a role in violence, but religion cannot afford that type of thing without a seat of power.

[Hammer Britannia]

And you want to sue all religions because of one book?

I'll admit it, Christianity is filled with contradictions like that, but you know what? There are 5000+ religions in this world. Along with this, you have yet to explain how the fact people died over religon deserves special treatment over any kind of violent deaths

WW2 killed more than 75 million, the war before it killed millions, the conquests of Rome killed millions, the colonization of both the Americas and Africa killed millions.

Why do the monarchs of Europe get a pass while Shamanistic religions don't? Why shouldn't Communism, Fascism, and Capitalism get sued when Hinduism gets a lawsuit? Why doesn't all tribalism get punished while religion does? Humans are violent and tribal, and that is not a fault of religon.

Gee, if only the OP mentioned factors other than tribalism or something.

Your other factors are the faults of individuals or religion specific

Nevertheless, religion is one of many forms of tribalism. Nationalism is another... and it, too, correlates with religion as evidenced by Trump votes in the Bible belt. Easier to be nationalistic when you think God's on your country's side than otherwise.

Again, religion specific and irrelevant. I am sure the large number of Atheist Patriots would like to have a word with you

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Because it has a faulty foundation? If a house had a poorly-built foundation, demolition would be more practical than an attempt to fix the ongoing problems caused by its faulty foundation.

And I'm not sure foundations get more faulty than internally-contradictory scriptures written in the iron age...

Actually, if a house has a faulty foundation, you can repair, or even replace the foundation instead of scrapping the entire house.

"Replacing" would in this case mean replacing religion with something other than religion, as the defining, founding books for religion (or at least the world's most popular religions like Christianity and Islam) are what's faulty.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Not really much of a better case: https://jewsforjesus.org/publications/i ... onsistent/

This a run down of the contradictions of the prophets and the old testament. The only new testament thing in this website is whether or not someone from Nazareth is called a Nazarene

This one doesn't distinguish New from Old testaments, but ctrl+f of "Jesus" shows dozens of results.

[Shokpos]

And you want to sue all religions because of one book?

I'll admit it, Christianity is filled with contradictions like that, but you know what? There are 5000+ religions in this world. Along with this, you have yet to explain how the fact people died over religon deserves special treatment over any kind of violent deaths

WW2 killed more than 75 million, the war before it killed millions, the conquests of Rome killed millions, the colonization of both the Americas and Africa killed millions.

Why do the monarchs of Europe get a pass while Shamanistic religions don't? Why shouldn't Communism, Fascism, and Capitalism get sued when Hinduism gets a lawsuit? Why doesn't all tribalism get punished while religion does? Humans are violent and tribal, and that is not a fault of religon.

Gee, if only the OP mentioned factors other than tribalism or something.

Nevertheless, religion is one of many forms of tribalism. Nationalism is another... and it, too, correlates with religion as evidenced by Trump votes in the Bible belt. Easier to be nationalistic when you think God's on your country's side than otherwise.

The only way any of this is a defense of religion is if you think religion's the only thing holding even worse forms of tribalism back. As in, worse by a margin that more than offsets what I mentioned in the OP.

How dare people vote for someone who agrees with them. People in the bible belt were people voting for a candidate hold believed in their values, it wasn't them signing a contract with god saying that if you vote for this guy he/she will purge the infidels.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Gee, if only the OP mentioned factors other than tribalism or something.

Nevertheless, religion is one of many forms of tribalism. Nationalism is another... and it, too, correlates with religion as evidenced by Trump votes in the Bible belt. Easier to be nationalistic when you think God's on your country's side than otherwise.

The only way any of this is a defense of religion is if you think religion's the only thing holding even worse forms of tribalism back. As in, worse by a margin that more than offsets what I mentioned in the OP.

How dare people vote for someone who agrees with them. People in the bible belt were people voting for a candidate hold believed in their values, it wasn't them signing a contract with god saying that if you vote for this guy he/she will purge the infidels.

I'm bolding the main point this time. The one you seem to have ignored.

[Shokpos]

This a run down of the contradictions of the prophets and the old testament. The only new testament thing in this website is whether or not someone from Nazareth is called a Nazarene

This one doesn't distinguish New from Old testaments, but ctrl+f of "Jesus" shows dozens of results.

I found one which would have his teachings, most of them are about the story of events in his life.

[Idzequitch]

Correlation does not imply causation.

The correlation here is loose at best, despite OP's claims. And I also can't help but notice that the countries that are highlighted as the most violent are by and large also lacking in wealth, aside from the few corrupt rich folks who basically egg on the violence. Some violence is religious in nature, no doubt. But I would argue that on the question of causation (as opposed to simple correlation) a great deal of the world's violence is born out of poverty, and the desperation associated with being unable to afford basic necessities.

I think the argument is backwards...if anything, a less stable and impoverished environment is going to lead to a flourishing of religion because in many cases that's the only stable national organization available, and most likely the least corrupt as well. It also provides a source of hope and community in the face of these circumstances.

I wouldn't say that it's backwards necessarily, but I actually did consider what you're saying as I was composing my last post.

It's possible that you can attribute both the high rates of religiosity and the high levels of violence to poverty. The religiosity because there is very little else around that inspires any hope, and conversely, in a nation where basic needs are easy to meet, the perceived need for a god is reduced. But I think we must also attribute the violence largely to poverty, as people can recognize what they need, and if they're unable to purchase it or otherwise provide it for themselves, they must obtain it by less legal means. And even if the violence may not always provide immediate relief of poverty, even so things like gang violence still find their root in poverty.

[Shokpos]

How dare people vote for someone who agrees with them. People in the bible belt were people voting for a candidate hold believed in their values, it wasn't them signing a contract with god saying that if you vote for this guy he/she will purge the infidels.

I'm bolding the main point this time. The one you seem to have ignored.

How is your point a hit against religion.