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One good thing, and one bad thing about certain politicians

Postby Holy Roman Empires2 » Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:59 pm

This will be fun! I will have a list of policies, and you will say one good thing about them, and one bad thing. It can be a policy you approve or disapprove of, or how they conduct themselves in general. You can debate here as well.

Here is the list, and my answers:
1. Donald J. Trump
I like his tariff policies overall, and I strongly believe that he is far too rude, and should conduct himself appropriately for his office.

2. Nancy Pelosi
She is experienced in her office, and I for the most part respect her, however she made a sham out of the powers vested in Congress by impeaching President Trump.

3. Joe Biden
His straightforward policy, which is moderate. He lays too heavily upon the fact that he was Obamas VP, and it feels like he has nothing eles to offer.

4. Bernie Sanders
His ability to energize young voters. The Roman politicians used to bring teenagers to get hyped up in their speeches for a reason (: He likes communism and socialism far too much for my taste. Yes, we should have the option of free healthcare, and other policies, but he takes it too progressive for my taste.

5. AOC Cortez
She is young. She will not shut up, and is far too progressive. An antagonizer.

6. (A foreign one) Emmaul Macron
He gets things done, without fear of reprecussions, basically he has guts. He takes the French people too high, his damned liberal policty carbon tax ext ext
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:02 pm

Is there a discussion to be had here, or is this just a list thread? *weighs a thread lock in one hand*
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Postby Holy Roman Empires2 » Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:05 pm

Farnhamia wrote:Is there a discussion to be had here, or is this just a list thread? *weighs a thread lock in one hand*

Oopsy, dont really use the forums. Where would I make this?
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:09 pm

Holy Roman Empires2 wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Is there a discussion to be had here, or is this just a list thread? *weighs a thread lock in one hand*

Oopsy, dont really use the forums. Where would I make this?

Well, we can leave it for a bit, I suppose. You should reread the second sentence in the OP. There's a typo.
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And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
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Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
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Postby Holy Roman Empires2 » Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:10 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Holy Roman Empires2 wrote:Oopsy, dont really use the forums. Where would I make this?

Well, we can leave it for a bit, I suppose. You should reread the second sentence in the OP. There's a typo.

Ah, okay. I will just scratch out that no discussion part as well
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Postby Bhutantan » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:27 am

1. Donald Trump - I think he will be certainly remembered as one of the best USA presidents in history for his strong handling of the nation and not succumbing to the corporate elite wishing him to be gone. One thing I find bad about him is that he didn't get out of NATO yet.
2. Nancy Pelosi - I can't find anything positive about her unfortunately, her handling of the Trump impeachment scheme is pathetic.
3. Joe Biden - One good thing about him that he is not socialist and is still working within the frame of capitalism to make social issues better, he is the white equivalent of Obama and his successor it is quite obvious. One bad thing about him is that he belongs to the mainstream corporate elite of America.
4. Bernie - If there's a name for a true populist it is Bernie Sanders, he didn't specify how exactly he is going to make federal universal healthcare act without bankrupting America, meaning making a 60%+ tax on the rich so they'll run away to other countries and he will be left with nothing, then he will probably cut the defense budget, making America a new EU (yes, with massive immigration from 3rd world nations, not even talking about Mexico). So this was the bad thing about him, but the true good thing about him is being firm about his ideology and not being afraid to hide it.
5. Cortez - Another populist, but don't know boundaries when it comes to promises and dreams. Same thing like Sanders, but she is a younger feminine version of him with all that it takes.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:33 am

Holy Roman Empires2 wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Is there a discussion to be had here, or is this just a list thread? *weighs a thread lock in one hand*

Oopsy, dont really use the forums. Where would I make this?

Sounds like it would be better off in F7 or Fourm 7
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Postby Vistulange » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:09 am

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan: Well, he practically demolished the entire taboo on dialogue about minority rights, which is a massive step forward. The bad? Do I really need to list it? "One bad thing"? Okay, let's go with the unprecedented levels of freakish corruption throughout the entire state apparatus.

Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu: Patient, homely fellow. Also very ineffectual and useless.

Meral Akşener: Alpha woman who gives it to Erdoğan as he deserves it. Problem is, she's a nationalist.

Devlet Bahçeli: Amusing guy, is a meme in Turkey. The problem is, he's a nationalist propping the AKP up.

Selahattin Demirtaş: Solid politics, good sense of humour, plays the saz well. Openly supports Abdullah Öcalan, though, that's a problem.

I think that's about enough for now.

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:31 am

Trump - Trying to find something good about this man is damn near impossible. He's just another dime-a-dozen rich scumbag who fucks over the American people while claiming he's doing good. Too stupid, mentally unstable, and inexperienced to be holding any political office, let alone the highest office in the nation. There's virtually no difference between him, Bloomberg, McConnell, Clinton, etc. They're all the same level of corporate evil; the same plague that's been terrorizing this country for the past 4-5 decades. They make money off our misery and don't give two shits about it. People who actually think he's different from the rest of them unironically make me laugh hysterically because it just shows they haven't been paying attention at all. Without a doubt the worst president in our history. One good thing? One good thing about this man? He recognizes China as a threat. That's it. That's probably the only good thing I can think of. Everything else is a mixture of stupidity, embarrassment, evil, inconsistency, and corruption.

Pelosi - Don't know much about her but she seems rather incompetent. I do applaud her efforts at trying to get Trump impeached. Lord knows it shouldn't have taken this long for that to happen.

Biden - Relic of a bygone age, increasingly mentally unstable, and his ties with the Obama Administration don't inspire much confidence in me. I don't know enough about him to have heard anything good about him. I hear he has a good sense of humor, so that's good I guess?

Sanders - Honest man who has consistently fought for what he believes in since the 60s. I believe he genuinely, truly cares about the American people and his policies prove it. He's not perfect. Many of his policies leave much to be desired. I can't find myself agreeing with him 100% but while he's not the ideal candidate, I do believe he's a step in the right direction. I'm proud to say I supported him in 2016 and will support him again in 2020. We need more honest politicians with genuine beliefs, not all these corporate goon populists like Trump and Clinton.

Cortez - Nice to see young blood in our government for a change. Too many aging fossils. Abolishing ICE is fucking stupid though.

Macron - Not familiar with French politics. Haven't heard anything good.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:32 am

Trump:
Bad: he is a buffoon.
Good: the first lady is smoking hot
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Postby Canogally » Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:10 am

Donald Trump
Bad - Stupid, Liar, was caught doing illegal things multiple times, and has an iq of -100
Good - Nothing. I would rather have a wild animal as our president.

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Postby Republica JIM » Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:16 am

Donald Trump:
Good:Reduce the taxes, the comercial war and his position on abortion.
Bad:The reliations with Arabia Saudi.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:19 am

Canogally wrote:Donald Trump
Bad - Stupid, Liar, was caught doing illegal things multiple times, and has an iq of -100
Good - Nothing. I would rather have a wild animal as our president.

Sanders is still running so you still have a chance.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:23 am

Donald J Trump
Pros: he's willing to roast the fuck out of someone...just someone, it doesn't matter who. Also he's very determined to win, can raise a crowd and would be great as a late night talk show host/comedian

cons: he's not a late night talk show host, he often stokes violence at his rallies, he threatens his opponents, he admires foreign dictators, his family separation policy probably messed some kids up for life, he slandered American Muslims by claiming that thousands of them cheered on 9/11 (that only happened in the alternate universe of bullshit mountain) and he has disrespected our military in way too many ways too many times.


Joe Biden
Pros: he's a nice guy I guess, he always tells old stories like your grandfather, he isn't as crazy as trump

cons: his foreign policy which was that of the Obama administration, led to untold death and suffering in Libya. He has supported cutting benefits. The guy clearly backs wallstreet. Also now he's senile so even if his policies weren't bad, I wouldn't trust him with my life. And when it comes to kids, Biden is good at traumatizing them.

Elizabeth Warren
Pros: she wants to raise taxes on the wealthy and end foreign wars.

cons: she worked as a banking consultant so her authenticity is in question, she pretended to be a native american, and she is into reparations way too much.

Michael Bloomberg
Pros: built a business from scratch, has a sense of humor akin to trump's, likes John Mellencamp, and raised the graduation rate in New York schools

cons: supported stop and frisk which made life hell for poor minorities, used police to crack down on protesters, disrespects anyone that criticizes anything he does, is way too pro Israel.

Bernie Sanders
Pros: is not so pro israel, supports ending foreign wars, supports raising taxes on the wealthy, want to pass Medicare for all, and made burlington one of the nicest cities in America to live in. Seems to care for the citizens he represents.

Cons: now supports banning assault rifles, used to support the Soviet union despite the USSR being a shithole, panders these days to the cult of multiculturalism, supports the green new deal which includes some stuff that I can't get down with like banning air travel or cattle farming.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:01 am

Vistulange wrote:Recep Tayyip Erdoğan: Well, he practically demolished the entire taboo on dialogue about minority rights, which is a massive step forward. The bad? Do I really need to list it? "One bad thing"? Okay, let's go with the unprecedented levels of freakish corruption throughout the entire state apparatus.

Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu: Patient, homely fellow. Also very ineffectual and useless.

Meral Akşener: Alpha woman who gives it to Erdoğan as he deserves it. Problem is, she's a nationalist.

Devlet Bahçeli: Amusing guy, is a meme in Turkey. The problem is, he's a nationalist propping the AKP up.

Selahattin Demirtaş: Solid politics, good sense of humour, plays the saz well. Openly supports Abdullah Öcalan, though, that's a problem.

I think that's about enough for now.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:08 am

Barack Obama
Pros: can dunk on your ass in basketball like his name is Lebron James. Stevie Wonder wrote a song and it was only his name. Has tried to stay out of the political frey that is the current year. Told Joe Biden not to run and while Biden didn't listen, Obama made a good attempt. Is a family man who loves his wife and kids. Likes a lot of the same music as I do, such as classic rock, jazz, hip hop, Reggae and R&B.

Cons: his FBI harassed and intimidated peaceful occupy protesters. Mass surveillance increased under his watch. He failed to prosecute any bankers for the meltdown of 2008. His foreign policy led to death and destruction in many parts of the world. He played the race card even at times it wasn't called for. Also Obama told black voters that if they didn't vote for Hillary Clinton, it would be an insult to his legacy (why would anyone wanna vote for her, especially minorities?) And he was known as the deporter and chief for doing many of the same things as trump but just not bragging about it.
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Postby Page » Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:31 am

Donald Trump

War:

Good - He exercised a modicum of restraint in Syria and didn't pursue regime change.
Bad - He did launch a superficial attack on Syria, has US forces still there, and wants to plunder the oil, which is a war crime.

Diplomacy:

Good - He hasn't done too many things to escalate tensions with Russia.
Bad - He is such good friends with the Saudis he is helping them commit genocide.

Religion:

Good - He is perhaps the least religious President in history.
Bad - He is basically an autotheist but pretends to be a Christian to get support from dangerous theocrats.

Regulations:

Good - He dropped the moronic plan to ban vape flavors
Bad - He deregulated the meat industry so much that people are going to get sick

Politics:

Good - He has humiliated many despicable people such as Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, and Michael Bloomberg.
Bad - He didn't drain the swamp and in fact made it much deeper.
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Postby New Bremerton » Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:46 am

Donald Trump:

Good: Anti-establishment populist. Unorthodox. Politically incorrect. Knows how to trigger large numbers of people and foreign governments alike. Willing to stand up to China. Staunch supporter of Israel.
Bad: Uncouth and obnoxious. Bossy (and a bully to his staff). Prone to throw temper tantrums. Has implemented a number of policies I disagree with. Has failed to adequately distance himself from antisemites, white supremacists, incels and other far-right extremists. Inconsistent and unpredictable at home and abroad. Not exactly trustworthy.

Joe Biden:

Good: Moderate center-left, liberal Democrat.
Bad: Early-onset dementia?

Bernie Sanders:

Good: Anti-establishment populist. Authentic. Likable personality. Has some economic policies I agree with, such as universal healthcare. Must be on to something if he can win over such YouTubers as Joe Rogan, sh0e0nhead and The Amazing Atheist AKA TJ Kirk.
Bad: Has done little to distance himself from woke identitarian types, antisemites, Third Wave feminists, Antifa, Islamists, and other assorted extremists who tend to coalesce around left-wing politicians. Not exactly my type.

Boris Johnson:

Good: Anti-establishment populist. Authentic. Likable personality. Forceful and determined. Softly spoken. Politically moderate, center-right, socially liberal Conservative. Good at keeping election promises. Has the most ethnically diverse Cabinet in British history, more so than any previous ruling Labour government.
Bad: I honestly can't think of anything atm.

Jeremy Corbyn:

Good: Has principles.
Bad: Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin had principles too, and look what happened in the end. Far-left demagogue who has cozied up to dictators, terrorists and antisemites. Has done little to distance himself from woke identitarian types, antisemites, Third Wave feminists, Antifa, Islamists, and other assorted extremists who tend to coalesce around left-wing politicians. Absolutely toxic individual.

Nigel Farage:

Good: Persistent. Finally succeeded in his decades-long struggle to get Brexit done. Anti-woke. Anti-PC. Anti-SJW.
Bad: A bit of a right-wing demagogue. Like much of the British Right, Farage is a climate change denier/minimizer.

Emmanuel Macron:

Good: Moderate, liberal centrist. Managed to sideline the traditional parties on the Left and Right to become president while his party won a landslide victory in legislative elections.
Bad: Too closely identified with the neoliberal, political and economic intelligentsia centered around Paris. Has done little to adequately address the fears and anxieties of ordinary French people, particularly in rural France, and has been all too willing to respond to Yellow Vest protests with violent police repression. This reminds me of a certain Asian city.

Angela Merkel:

Good: Moderate, liberal centrist. Blessed with political longevity for a democratically elected leader of a proportional, liberal, parliamentary democracy. Has managed to serve as Germany's Chancellor for 15 years and counting.
Bad: Too closely identified with the neoliberal, political and economic intelligentsia. Made the mistake of adopting an open-borders refugee policy that has strained Germany's social infrastructure to breaking point, leading to the rise of far-right extremism, particularly in former East Germany.

Vladimir Putin:

Good: Very efficient, like the KGB.
Bad: Very efficient at propping up allied murderous regimes and butchering hundreds of thousands of innocent people himself. Fascist, imperialist dictator.

Xi Jinping:

Good: Good at deftly maneuvering his way to the very top of the CCP's pecking order.
Bad: Everything else. Vile, sociopathic dictator.

Carrie Lam:

Good: Good at sucking CCP dick.
Bad: Vile, vindictive, evil, spiteful, bossy bitch from hell.

Mahathir Mohamad:

Good: Political smooth operator. Cobbled a coalition to topple former Malaysian PM Najib Razak in the last election once the latter was accused of one of the world's largest corruption scandals in the world.
Bad: Self-proclaimed antisemite. Racist. Muslim chauvinist. Good at reneging on election promises. Eventually got a taste of his own smooth medicine when his own deputy betrayed him to form a new government without him sans a snap general election.

Muhyiddin Yassin:

Good: As Deputy PM under former Malaysian PM Najib Razak, attempted to prosecute his boss on corruption charges only to be fired. In opposition, aided would-be PM Mahathir Mohamad in toppling Najib Razak and getting the latter arrested and charged with crimes relating to the 1MDB corruption scandal.
Bad: Treacherous, double-dealing snake who betrayed his former boss Mahathir by defecting along with several dozen other MPs from the elected Pakatan Harapan government and joining with the corrupt, racist, Islamist, opposition parties that were previously forced out of power in the last general election to form a new, unelected, backdoor government. This kind of thing would NEVER happen in the UK.

Anwar Ibrahim:

Good: Malaysia's former and longtime opposition leader. Has endured a black eye and multiple jail sentences on politically motivated, trumped-up charges of sodomy. Subsequently allied with his longtime rival and tormentor Mahathir Mohamad to take down Najib for corruption.
Bad: Once in government, he failed to prevent infighting within his own party. This eventually led to the collapse of a democratically elected government and the formation of an unelected "opposition" government. Prior to falling from former PM Mahathir's good graces in 1998, was once a Malay chauvinist and radical Islamist. An unknown quantity distrusted to varying degrees by a good number of Malaysians of all races, faiths and political persuasions.

Rodrigo Duterte:

Good: Doesn't tolerate wishy-washy bullshit of any kind. Doesn't take no for an answer. Knows how to deal very firmly with Islamist terrorists in Mindanao who incidentally also pose a threat to Malaysia next door.
Bad: His drug policy has led to the shooting deaths of thousands of innocent people. A little on the dictatorial side.

Joko Widodo:

Good: Bears an uncanny resemblance to Barack Obama, who spent part of his childhood in Indonesia. Likable personality. Politically moderate. Focused on building the nation's infrastructure and stabilizing the economy.
Bad: Hasn't done nearly enough to stem the gradual Islamization of Indonesia and contain the influence of radical Islamists and intolerant, Muslim fundamentalists. Failed to prevent the jailing of a Chinese Christian governor on trumped-up charges of blasphemy against guess which religion. Even picked a radical Islamist demagogue as his VP running mate to appease the religious fundies.

Aung San Suu Kyi:

Good: Former freedom fighter.
Bad: Now an arrogant, smug, autocratic leader whose government has presided over an unforgivable campaign of genocide against Rohingya Muslims.

Narendra Modi:

Good: Anti-China. Valuable ally in the fight to defend global freedom and democracy from Chinese attempts to remake the world in their totalitarian image and likeness.
Bad: He and the ruling Hindu nationalist BJP possess far-right, fascist tendencies. Persecutes Muslims, dalit and other assorted minorities. A bit like the Nazis. Their religion's use of the swastika is nonetheless purely coincidental and predates National Socialism by thousands of years.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan:

Good: Knows how to fuck with Putin and Assad by deploying Turkish military assets in Idlib province, Syria and Libya to counter malign, Russian-backed entities (the Syrian Assad regime and General Khalifa Haftar).
Bad: Islamist dictator. Also knows how to fuck with Europe by flooding Greece with refugees, and the Kurds by invading and occupying Rojava.

Jair Bolsonaro:

Good: Anti-establishment populist. Unorthodox. Politically incorrect.
Bad: Wants to destroy the Amazon rainforest and ethnically cleanse the indigenous communities that call the place home. Anti-LGBT. Uncouth and obnoxious. Bossy (and a bully to his staff). Prone to throw temper tantrums.
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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:20 am

Ah, fuck it, I'll join in, I love list-making shit like this.

(1. Trump: I'm a protectionist, he's a protectionist. I appreciate that, at the very least, that and the fact that he's tamer on foreign policy overall than his predecessors.

Apart from that, I fundamentally disagree with him on 90% of the issues and know that he's a colossally ignorant scumbag who reeks of corruption. Can't stand the guy.

(2. Pelosi: She has moments of competency, she's certainly intelligent and has a penchant for a certain brand of politics of a bygone era, but she somehow gracefully clings on to that past era.

But, as I said, she is a bit of a relic. She's certainly been in DC far too long and, truthfully, doesn't stand for much, she's not an inspiring politician which acts as a detriment to her party as a whole. She recognizes the need for a change in party discourse and new blood, but often doesn't act on that.

(3. Biden: Look, I'm sure he's a nice guy, and as Senator and VP he was on the right side of history here and there. He's had a tough life and if he weren't running for President, I'd probably want to grab a beer with the guy. I feel bad for him, too, I don't think he's as aware as he was a decade ago.

But, because he's running for President, my hatred of his hypocrisy, his stances on Iraq, Wall Street, Social Security, Clarence Thomas, his penchant for plagiarism and downright lying a la Trump etc etc, he's just a terrible candidate.

(4. Sanders: Love the guy, love most of his policies, I don't need to praise him for a paragraph, it's implied.

He has his flaws, he needs to work on broadening his support base and go beyond the same three tropes when he campaigns. Additionally, I wish he were clearer about his past politics, just more transparent in that arena.

(5. Macron: Can't stand him, he's a Thatcherite to the core, a former banker turned President, but I can at least respect him for honoring commitments to climate change mitigation, or working towards a more open society.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:18 pm

Page wrote:Donald Trump

War:

Good - He exercised a modicum of restraint in Syria and didn't pursue regime change.
Bad - He did launch a superficial attack on Syria, has US forces still there, and wants to plunder the oil, which is a war crime.

Diplomacy:

Good - He hasn't done too many things to escalate tensions with Russia.
Bad - He is such good friends with the Saudis he is helping them commit genocide.

Religion:

Good - He is perhaps the least religious President in history.
Bad - He is basically an autotheist but pretends to be a Christian to get support from dangerous theocrats.

Regulations:

Good - He dropped the moronic plan to ban vape flavors
Bad - He deregulated the meat industry so much that people are going to get sick

Politics:

Good - He has humiliated many despicable people such as Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, and Michael Bloomberg.
Bad - He didn't drain the swamp and in fact made it much deeper.


Ted Cruz vs Trump was alien vs predator. No matter who wins, it isn't good
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:29 pm

Rodrigo Dutuerte
Pros: hates religion (especially the Catholic church), actually remembers the horrors of the colonial past unlike most of his countrymen who have been brainwashed into viewing Americans and other countries as better than they are, is the biggest edgelord in filipino history, can sing Ikaw

Cons: Mass murders thousands of people a year, once shot a guy who bullied him for being Cebuano and ended up being a school shooter before it was cool, used to ride around Davao City kicking people's asses and even killing people for things ranging to as small as littering or being publically drunk, sang Ikaw to Trump, is the biggest edgelord in filipino history..

Justin Trudeau
Pros: he's good looking (no homo), he comes from a family with a background in political experience, he is less likely to get involved in U.S. Military misadventures, he doesn't like Trump.

Cons: Trudeau literally allowed ISIS fighters to return to Canada, he pulled out of the fight against ISIS, he and his party voted against recognizing ISIS's massacres as a genocide, and he's totally onboard the diversity is our strength happening train.

Rob Ford
Pros: he did coke and got lit as fuck
Cons: He's dead now, so we can't enjoy him anymore.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan
Pros: Loves his country
Cons: Loves his country so much that he has reignited the Kurdish-Turkish conflict, threatened Greece, released refugees into Europe and invaded Syria with the intent of seizing the North and possibly the rest of the country at some point. His plans went south though when the Russians and Syrians began engaging him directly and as if that wasn't bad enough, his recent ceasefire was broken by his allies. You see, despite Erdogan and the Turkmen brigades speaking the same language, there was some sort of miscommunication and they kept fighting despite a truce being called. So yeah, it hasn't been a good week for him at all.
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Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Ayytaly
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Postby Ayytaly » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:48 pm

President Joe Kennedy III

Pro: Is a Kennedy. Is Irish Catholic. Has AOC as VP. Follows some of the late Bernie Sanders' propositions and signs them into full effect. Gave Native American tribes limited federal power against corporations. Arrested Acting President Pence for the murder of Jeffrey Epstein. Charged the Trumps for Donald's funeral (first deceased POTUS not granted a state funeral.) Enacted the Buffer State policy where Latin American immigration was limited to bordering states (California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas; Only Texas declined to participate.) Abolished ICE in favor of having the U.S. Marshals join AMERIPOL, thus strengthening relationships with Latin America. Revoked recognition of the UK, which led to to the England-Celtic nations wars, which resulted in the overthrowing of London, and the foundation of the Celtic Commonwealth of Scotland, Wales, and Cornwall. England became a sovereign nation, lost its monarchial powers over the likes of Canada and Australia, and Northern Ireland was absorbed by the Republic.

Con: Was subjected to many assassination attempts by British intelligence. Is also the biological father of Billie Eilish.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:58 pm

Bernie Sanders:

Good: Raised awareness of Scandinavian policies' efficacy.

Bad: Failed to consult Scandinavia on what to label them.

. . .

Joe Biden:

Good: Doesn't let a few gaffes get in his way of continuing to appear in public.

Bad: Doesn't let the increasing severity of the gaffes make him wonder if he should pass the buck to someone who's all there.

. . .

Donald Trump:

Good: Forsakes pointless, time-wasting qualifiers and couched language for straightforward bluntness.

Bad: Channels that "bluntness" into arrogance and narcissism.

. . .

Justin Trudeau:

Good: Got Harper out of office.

Bad: Accepted Liberal leadership nomination while still in his 40s instead of endorsing any of his more experienced/educated rivals before it got to that point.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:57 am

Rojava Free State wrote:Recep Tayyip Erdogan
Pros: Loves his country
Cons: Loves his country so much that he has reignited the Kurdish-Turkish conflict, threatened Greece, released refugees into Europe and invaded Syria with the intent of seizing the North and possibly the rest of the country at some point. His plans went south though when the Russians and Syrians began engaging him directly and as if that wasn't bad enough, his recent ceasefire was broken by his allies. You see, despite Erdogan and the Turkmen brigades speaking the same language, there was some sort of miscommunication and they kept fighting despite a truce being called. So yeah, it hasn't been a good week for him at all.
I think you have very little information about turkey.I laughed a lot in the first part of the article :roll:
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:15 pm

Ayytaly wrote:President Joe Kennedy III

Pro: Is a Kennedy. Is Irish Catholic. Has AOC as VP. Follows some of the late Bernie Sanders' propositions and signs them into full effect. Gave Native American tribes limited federal power against corporations. Arrested Acting President Pence for the murder of Jeffrey Epstein. Charged the Trumps for Donald's funeral (first deceased POTUS not granted a state funeral.) Enacted the Buffer State policy where Latin American immigration was limited to bordering states (California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas; Only Texas declined to participate.) Abolished ICE in favor of having the U.S. Marshals join AMERIPOL, thus strengthening relationships with Latin America. Revoked recognition of the UK, which led to to the England-Celtic nations wars, which resulted in the overthrowing of London, and the foundation of the Celtic Commonwealth of Scotland, Wales, and Cornwall. England became a sovereign nation, lost its monarchial powers over the likes of Canada and Australia, and Northern Ireland was absorbed by the Republic.

Con: Was subjected to many assassination attempts by British intelligence. Is also the biological father of Billie Eilish.


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