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Opinion Piece- Communism is A Cancer

Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:45 am

As much as I hate trivially comparing anything to cancer, and only reserve doing so for special instances, communism is a cancer. Under communism, mainland China is suffering from one of the worst cases of poverty, human rights abuses and brutal dictatorships the world has ever seen. Communist China leads the world in oppression and human rights violations. Communist China has only improved since abandoning the communist bullshit and adapting capitalism. But it's still suffering from the skidmarks left behind by communism. "Not real communism", bullshit. Mao tried everything he could to nationalise all industry and nationalise all sustainance farms. If that's not communism, I don't know what is. Mao can go down in history as one of the worst murders in history. Meanwhile, the other three Chinas- Hong Kong, Macau and Tawain are thriving democracies with excellent human rights records. In fact, despite being a city-state, Hong Kong is one of the wealthiest and most influential nations on the planet. What's the difference? Hong Kong has not been shat on by communism. Compare North Korea to South Korea, and I don't even need to tell you the rest... In fact, North Korea is in less of a bad state now that it was during the great famine because they eased up on communism and allowed people to start buisinesses. Russians were very poor and oppressed until the fall of communism. The fact that communist East Germany erected a wall to prevent their citizens from escaping to their capitalist co-patriots in the west should tell you everything you need to know about communism. Everywhere communism was tried, poverty, oppression and human rights violations have ensued. Communism is a cancer, and I don't, for the life of me, understand why anyone champions this disease. What are your thoughts on the matter NSG?
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Postby New-Purple Republic » Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:51 am

Just because China calls themselves communist, doesn't mean they actually are, it's pretty clear they love their state capitalism and much has changed in the last 70 years. Anyways HK and Macau are under the boot of China as they're both Special Administrative Republics. Poor example.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:54 am

New-Purple Republic wrote:Just because China calls themselves communist, doesn't mean they actually are, it's pretty clear they love their state capitalism and much has changed in the last 70 years. Anyways HK and Macau are under the boot of China as they're both Special Administrative Republics. Poor example.

Yes, I've already addressed this. China is less terrible now because of capitalism. Under true communism, China was alot worse. Also, whilst Hong Kong and Macau are under China, they are somewhat autonomous. That somewhat autonomy got them where they are today
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:57 am

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New-Purple Republic wrote:Just because China calls themselves communist, doesn't mean they actually are


That's true, and I wonder if there's really anywhere which is truly communist as whenever it fails (or becomes capitalist like China) the communists/socialists pull another 'no true Scotsman' fallacy is it wasn't real communism.
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Postby Gikyvernisi » Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:58 am

I'm against communism, but I must say that Marxist communism hasn't been tried and will never be if capitalism makes some reforms to protect the environment.
(I think that if the world is going to die because of American capitalist scepticism and other capitalist factors that deteriorate the environment we will soon see anarchism and communism.)
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:24 am

I'm sure there are communists who would say the same about capitalism.

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Postby Grenartia » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:34 am

Australian rePublic wrote:Under true communism, China was alot worse.


When was China ever a stateless, moneyless, classless society?
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Postby Legolannd » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:38 am

you are very right. Communism is cancer.


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Postby Hong Kong People » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:39 am

Not only is communism totally economically unviable, it can never tolerate rule of law, freedom and democracy as the Party controls all assets which can only be achieved by establishing dictatorships. That's why communist countries are shxtholes. In fact, Hong Kong's competitiveness has slipped a lot since the handover to communist China in 1997.

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:39 am

"Mao tried everything he could to nationalise all industry and nationalise all sustenance farms. If that's not communism, I don't know what is."

You don't know what communism is, then.
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Postby Kubra » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:39 am

>under communism china is suffering
>Communist China has only improved since abandoning the communist bullshit and adapting capitalism
um

That aside, the thing with North Korea is they more resemble old skool japan with their blut und boden nationalism.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:40 am

Grenartia wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Under true communism, China was alot worse.


When was China ever a stateless, moneyless, classless society?

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Postby Shurdington » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:40 am

There are plenty of human rights abuses in capitalist countries as well - does that make capitalism a cancer?
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Postby Juristonia » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:42 am

My thoughts are that you spend a lot of time talking about things you don't actually seem to know much about and expect everyone else to care.

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Postby Hong Kong People » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:43 am

Shurdington wrote:There are plenty of human rights abuses in capitalist countries as well - does that make capitalism a cancer?

Do you ever see a communist country who has good human rights record ? On the other hand,I can give lots of example of capitalist countries having excellent human rights record.
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New-Purple Republic wrote:Just because China calls themselves communist, doesn't mean they actually are


That's true, and I wonder if there's really anywhere which is truly communist as whenever it fails (or becomes capitalist like China) the communists/socialists pull another 'no true Scotsman' fallacy is it wasn't real communism.
We-he-heeeell let's try this stuff then: was the Soviet Union communist in 1923?
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Hong Kong People wrote:
Shurdington wrote:There are plenty of human rights abuses in capitalist countries as well - does that make capitalism a cancer?

Do you ever see a communist country who has good human rights record ? I can give lots of example of capitalist countries having excellent human rights record.

I have not seen a communist country yet.
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Postby Ayro Va » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:44 am

Shurdington wrote:There are plenty of human rights abuses in capitalist countries as well - does that make capitalism a cancer?


Yes.
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Postby Hong Kong People » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:48 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Hong Kong People wrote:Do you ever see a communist country who has good human rights record ? I can give lots of example of capitalist countries having excellent human rights record.

I have not seen a communist country yet.

Do some research on China's Great Leap Forward movement and China's history of establishing people's commune .Communism was implemented in China back then.See how people suffer on your own. You might probably wake up from your dream of how good a communist society will be.
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Postby Grenartia » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:55 am

Hong Kong People wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:I have not seen a communist country yet.

Do some research on China's Great Leap Forward movement and China's history of establishing people's commune .Communism was implemented in China back then.See how people suffer on your own. You might probably wake up from your dream of how good a communist society will be.


Prove either of those things were actually communism. Pro tip: just because Mao said it was, and just because tankies say it was, doesn't mean it actually was.
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Grenartia wrote:
Hong Kong People wrote:Do some research on China's Great Leap Forward movement and China's history of establishing people's commune .Communism was implemented in China back then.See how people suffer on your own. You might probably wake up from your dream of how good a communist society will be.


Prove either of those things were actually communism. Pro tip: just because Mao said it was, and just because tankies say it was, doesn't mean it actually was.
hot take: Mao never said it was.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:56 am

New haven america wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
When was China ever a stateless, moneyless, classless society?

Shhhh…

Don't bring logic into the memememes

Okay, close too
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:59 am

Hong Kong People wrote:
Shurdington wrote:There are plenty of human rights abuses in capitalist countries as well - does that make capitalism a cancer?

Do you ever see a communist country who has good human rights record ? On the other hand,I can give lots of example of capitalist countries having excellent human rights record.

Extreme capitalism is bad. Maybe not a cancer, but bad as communism. The best system is a balance of both systems

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Prove either of those things were actually communism. Pro tip: just because Mao said it was, and just because tankies say it was, doesn't mean it actually was.
hot take: Mao never said it was.

If the China Communist Party weren't trying to achieve communism, they would have given themselves a different name
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Postby Kubra » Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:02 am

Australian rePublic wrote:
Hong Kong People wrote:Do you ever see a communist country who has good human rights record ? On the other hand,I can give lots of example of capitalist countries having excellent human rights record.

Extreme capitalism is bad. Maybe not a cancer, but bad as communism. The best system is a balance of both systems

Kubra wrote: hot take: Mao never said it was.

If the China Communist Party weren't trying to achieve communism, they would have given themselves a different name
Oh yeah they were trying to achieve communism, and that's the big detail. There's an eschatology at work, usually when it comes to these parties of the eastern model they're expressed as stages. The official CPC line is that they're in the primary stage of socialism, which I take to mean "level 1, still in tutorial village". Whether or not they actually believe that tripe is another thing.
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