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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:41 pm

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Is that what they're designed for? I've seen contestants for worlds strongest man pulling trucks but that doesn't mean that is their primary purpose.


And did you shout at the strongman about being ran over?

Or try to ban trucks?
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:04 pm

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And did you shout at the strongman about being ran over?

Or try to ban trucks?


Or strongmen?

Or limit their muscle mass?
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Postby Kernen » Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:36 pm

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Well fuck. I guess I've been using mine wrong all these years. All I use my firearms for is punching paper, ringing steel, and breaking clay targets.


Is that what they're designed for? I've seen contestants for worlds strongest man pulling trucks but that doesn't mean that is their primary purpose.

Yeah, my firearms were advertised and purpose-built for target shooting.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:54 pm

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Is that what they're designed for? I've seen contestants for worlds strongest man pulling trucks but that doesn't mean that is their primary purpose.

Yeah, my firearms were advertised and purpose-built for target shooting.

I'd love to know when, if ever, "use it to kill people" was an advertising point for a firearm.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:59 pm

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Kernen wrote:Yeah, my firearms were advertised and purpose-built for target shooting.

I'd love to know when, if ever, "use it to kill people" was an advertising point for a firearm.

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Postby Ors Might » Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:51 pm

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Ors Might wrote:Tasteful.


A handgun is a tool for taking human life at close range. To claim "guns save lives" is simply ridiculous. If you own a handgun and aren't prepared to kill someone you feel is going to harm you, you have the wrong idea entirely. EMTs save lives. Guns kill people.

Is it impossible to save one life by taking another? If someone is about to kill me, their sudden death wouldn’t result in me living?
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Postby Bromagia » Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:15 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Bromagia wrote:A handgun is a tool for launching projectiles.


.... to take human life.

It's like arguing that cars are machines to make wheels spin but leaving out the bit about them being a form of transport.

Intriguing. So my .22 pistol, despite being basically shit for killing people because of calibre, is still meant to kill people because...reasons?

To your car bit: cars are machines that can cover large distances in short periods of time. Transportation is actually only one application of said machine. Ditto for guns. They are meant to launch projectiles. No one use for said projectile can be said to be the device's "actual" purpose.
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Postby Bromagia » Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:17 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
.... to take human life.

It's like arguing that cars are machines to make wheels spin but leaving out the bit about them being a form of transport.


Well fuck. I guess I've been using mine wrong all these years. All I use my firearms for is punching paper, ringing steel, and breaking clay targets.

Yep. I've been using guns wrong this whole time too. Those poor, poor paper targets. Oh, and whistle pigs.
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Postby Bromagia » Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:19 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Well fuck. I guess I've been using mine wrong all these years. All I use my firearms for is punching paper, ringing steel, and breaking clay targets.


Is that what they're designed for? I've seen contestants for worlds strongest man pulling trucks but that doesn't mean that is their primary purpose.

Design intent is irrelevant to actual applications.
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Postby US-SSR » Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:56 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
.... to take human life.

It's like arguing that cars are machines to make wheels spin but leaving out the bit about them being a form of transport.


Well goddamnit I need to get my money back as I have a small arsenal of pistols that must be defective as they do nothing but punch holes in paper targets and have never harmed anyone ever.

Guns only purpose is to kill people.... what a stupid fucking argument. :roll:


"I keep an object in my house that is much more likely to be used to kill or injure me or my loved ones than to attack any intruder pretty much for my own amusement" would be my idea of a stupid fucking argument.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:00 pm

US-SSR wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Well goddamnit I need to get my money back as I have a small arsenal of pistols that must be defective as they do nothing but punch holes in paper targets and have never harmed anyone ever.

Guns only purpose is to kill people.... what a stupid fucking argument. :roll:


"I keep an object in my house that is much more likely to be used to kill or injure me or my loved ones than to attack any intruder pretty much for my own amusement" would be my idea of a stupid fucking argument.


Then don't.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:18 pm

US-SSR wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Well goddamnit I need to get my money back as I have a small arsenal of pistols that must be defective as they do nothing but punch holes in paper targets and have never harmed anyone ever.

Guns only purpose is to kill people.... what a stupid fucking argument. :roll:


"I keep an object in my house that is much more likely to be used to kill or injure me or my loved ones than to attack any intruder pretty much for my own amusement" would be my idea of a stupid fucking argument.


Speak for yourself.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:22 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Well fuck. I guess I've been using mine wrong all these years. All I use my firearms for is punching paper, ringing steel, and breaking clay targets.


Is that what they're designed for? I've seen contestants for worlds strongest man pulling trucks but that doesn't mean that is their primary purpose.


What it was intended for isn’t a good argument to restrict them. Also there are firearms and even cartridges specifically designed for bench rest shooting.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:30 pm

US-SSR wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Well goddamnit I need to get my money back as I have a small arsenal of pistols that must be defective as they do nothing but punch holes in paper targets and have never harmed anyone ever.

Guns only purpose is to kill people.... what a stupid fucking argument. :roll:


"I keep an object in my house that is much more likely to be used to kill or injure me or my loved ones than to attack any intruder pretty much for my own amusement" would be my idea of a stupid fucking argument.


Ah yes, this tired old meme pops it's little unimpressive head up yet again pretending to be anything of actual value.

How so very Mediocre.. :roll:

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:38 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
US-SSR wrote:
"I keep an object in my house that is much more likely to be used to kill or injure me or my loved ones than to attack any intruder pretty much for my own amusement" would be my idea of a stupid fucking argument.


Speak for yourself.


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Postby The East Marches II » Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:42 pm

US-SSR wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Well goddamnit I need to get my money back as I have a small arsenal of pistols that must be defective as they do nothing but punch holes in paper targets and have never harmed anyone ever.

Guns only purpose is to kill people.... what a stupid fucking argument. :roll:


"I keep an object in my house that is much more likely to be used to kill or injure me or my loved ones than to attack any intruder pretty much for my own amusement" would be my idea of a stupid fucking argument.


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Postby Telconi » Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:46 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Speak for yourself.


Didn’t he just do that?


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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:53 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Speak for yourself.


Didn’t he just do that?


No?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:08 pm

US-SSR wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Tasteful.


A handgun is a tool for taking human life at close range. To claim "guns save lives" is simply ridiculous. If you own a handgun and aren't prepared to kill someone you feel is going to harm you, you have the wrong idea entirely. EMTs save lives. Guns kill people.


I mean you could use this logic to ban most weapons.
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Postby Tobleste » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:35 pm

Bromagia wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
Is that what they're designed for? I've seen contestants for worlds strongest man pulling trucks but that doesn't mean that is their primary purpose.

Design intent is irrelevant to actual applications.


There's a difference between design intent and capabilities.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:38 pm

US-SSR wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Tasteful.


A handgun is a tool for taking human life at close range. To claim "guns save lives" is simply ridiculous. If you own a handgun and aren't prepared to kill someone you feel is going to harm you, you have the wrong idea entirely. EMTs save lives. Guns kill people.


Unlike in your ideal world, sometimes it's kill or be killed in the real world. Banning the guns will only put law abiding people at a disadvantage both in the face of thugs and in the face of the government.
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Postby Tobleste » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:40 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Telconi wrote:
And did you shout at the strongman about being ran over?

Or try to ban trucks?


Here's what I dont get: you guys like to pretend that guns are just like trucks in that they're great and safe and it would be stupid to regulate them. But you also argue that without guns "the people" (I.e. gun owners) would be defenseless from an imminent Gestapoesque American dictatorship.

How can guns be so devastating that an American Reich would be brought low by a small amount of under educated gun hoarders but be so irrelevant that they're no more dangerous than a car? If cars and trucks are just as dangerous as guns, why do you need guns? If guns are no more dangerous than cars and trucks, how can guns be so effective?

I'm being slightly sarcastic. I know the real reason. The arguments are completely inconsistent and are invented to defend a cultural gun obsession that is limited to America.
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Postby Tobleste » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:41 pm

Bromagia wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
.... to take human life.

It's like arguing that cars are machines to make wheels spin but leaving out the bit about them being a form of transport.

Intriguing. So my .22 pistol, despite being basically shit for killing people because of calibre, is still meant to kill people because...reasons?

To your car bit: cars are machines that can cover large distances in short periods of time. Transportation is actually only one application of said machine. Ditto for guns. They are meant to launch projectiles. No one use for said projectile can be said to be the device's "actual" purpose.


Fine then. We can just regulate every gun that is effective at killing people. I'm glad we agree.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:58 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Bromagia wrote:Intriguing. So my .22 pistol, despite being basically shit for killing people because of calibre, is still meant to kill people because...reasons?

To your car bit: cars are machines that can cover large distances in short periods of time. Transportation is actually only one application of said machine. Ditto for guns. They are meant to launch projectiles. No one use for said projectile can be said to be the device's "actual" purpose.


Fine then. We can just regulate every gun that is effective at killing people. I'm glad we agree.


I seriously doubt any people agree with you.
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