Oregon Republicans Walk Out Again to Stop Climate Bill

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Therefore why not just not show up at all? Republicans don't believe in democracy and are willing to shut down the government so the majority of the state population who voted in the current legislature get punished for their audacity.

If it’s democracy, then the Reps are using a democratic tactic by not showing up to vote. It’s annoying? Sure. Should they show up and work by voting? Probably. But this is not an uncommon tactic.

Why not just vote abstain then?

[West Leas Oros 2]

That wouldn’t be very democratic now would it?

Nor is giving the finger to the rest of the state because they are in the minority

A functional democratic society relies on the majority not exercising tyranny over the minority.

[San Lumen]

Therefore why not just not show up at all? Republicans don't believe in democracy and are willing to shut down the government so the majority of the state population who voted in the current legislature get punished for their audacity.

If it’s democracy, then the Reps are using a democratic tactic by not showing up to vote. It’s annoying? Sure. Should they show up and work by voting? Probably. But this is not an uncommon tactic.

By using it constantly though it makes them appear as not believing in democracy or free and fair elections.

[Galloism]

You're not answering the question. You're just complaining about how you don't like it. I get it - you don't like it. Hell, it's pretty shitty.

But, how does showing up when they're doomed to lose advance THEIR agenda?

How does YOUR statement have ANYTHING to do with the one you quoted?

This is a key part of arguing San Lumen. Your statements need to have something to do with the ones you are quoting. Either you need to answer the question, or explain why the question is invalid or incorrect.

IE, "It advances their agenda by <insert some argument here>" or "politicians aren't meant to advance the agenda of their constituents, but to serve the public good" (to invalid the premise of the question that advancing the agenda of the constituents is actually important) or "they are not advancing the agenda of their constituents because their constituents are actually against what they're doing and here's a poll" (invalidating the premise that they are serving the constituents at all).

When someone says "they're elected to advance the interest of their constituents" followed by "THEN SHOW UP AND VOTE NO" is invalid, as that's not advancing the interests of their constituents, it's advancing the interests of their constituents opposition, or working against the interests of their constituents.

Argue better.

Therefore why not just not show up at all? Republicans don't believe in democracy and are willing to shut down the government so the majority of the state population who voted in the current legislature get punished for their audacity.

You're really not getting the point here.

That has nothing to do with what the person said - that they are advancing the interests of their constituents.

If not showing up at all best advances the interests of their constituents, why not just not show up at all? That's actually a really good question. If that advances their interests in the best legal way, why not advance their interests in the best legal way?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

If it’s democracy, then the Reps are using a democratic tactic by not showing up to vote. It’s annoying? Sure. Should they show up and work by voting? Probably. But this is not an uncommon tactic.

Why not just vote abstain then?

Because in Oregon, voting for them is losing. By not showing up and grinding things to a halt, the bill doesn’t pass.

The governor could alternatively send the police after them and forcibly bring them back to the floor. But that would turn them into “martyrs” to the constituents they claim to represent.

[San Lumen]

Why not just vote abstain then?

Because I’m Oregon, voting for them is losing. By not showing up and grinding things to a halt, the bill doesn’t pass.

The governor could alternatively send the police after them and forcibly bring them back to the floor. But that would turn them into “martyrs” to the constituents they claim to represent.

it would be within her rights. They are violating the state constitution by not showing up but rules dont apply to Republicans

[Galloism]

If it’s democracy, then the Reps are using a democratic tactic by not showing up to vote. It’s annoying? Sure. Should they show up and work by voting? Probably. But this is not an uncommon tactic.

Why not just vote abstain then?

Because that's tactically foolish.

Imagine you're a defense attorney, and you have come across incontrovertible proof of your client's guilt, but the prosecution doesn't have it. And you have a really good shot at getting her off. Should you send your evidence to the prosecution? Why or why not?

[The Emerald Legion]

If it’s democracy, then the Reps are using a democratic tactic by not showing up to vote. It’s annoying? Sure. Should they show up and work by voting? Probably. But this is not an uncommon tactic.

By using it constantly though it makes them appear as not believing in democracy or free and fair elections.

Quite honestly. Fuck democracy. Democracy is a tool to ensure freedom. Where it fails to do such it should obviously be held to account.

That's why we have these legal tricks built into our government.

[The East Marches II]

Why not just vote abstain then?

Because in Oregon, voting for them is losing. By not showing up and grinding things to a halt, the bill doesn’t pass.

The governor could alternatively send the police after them and forcibly bring them back to the floor. But that would turn them into “martyrs” to the constituents they claim to represent.

This sort of stunt tends to murder your support. Ask WI Dems.

[San Lumen]

By using it constantly though it makes them appear as not believing in democracy or free and fair elections.

Quite honestly. Fuck democracy. Democracy is a tool to ensure freedom. Where it fails to do such it should obviously be held to account.

That's why we have these legal tricks built into our government.

Ok then how about every time Republicans are in the minority in a state legislature or Congress they simply don't show up and the evil urban folk can't impose their will on the farmers. Who cares if their is no budget things will run perfectly fine without one.

[San Lumen]

Because in Oregon, voting for them is losing. By not showing up and grinding things to a halt, the bill doesn’t pass.

The governor could alternatively send the police after them and forcibly bring them back to the floor. But that would turn them into “martyrs” to the constituents they claim to represent.

This sort of stunt tends to murder your support. Ask WI Dems.

They did get a majority of the vote for the state legislature in 2018. Gerrymandering is why they dont have the most seats.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Because I’m Oregon, voting for them is losing. By not showing up and grinding things to a halt, the bill doesn’t pass.

The governor could alternatively send the police after them and forcibly bring them back to the floor. But that would turn them into “martyrs” to the constituents they claim to represent.

it would be within her rights. They are violating the state constitution by not showing up but rules dont apply to Republicans

Sure but is she willing to deal with the possible repercussions? I mean, I understand the frustration. They did this just a few months ago. As a citizen I’m really tired myself of the constant imbecility of all politicians in this country and the fact that nothing seems to get done, but for all intents and purposes, this is part of these Reps jobs. It’s just annoying as all fuck.

[The Emerald Legion]

Quite honestly. Fuck democracy. Democracy is a tool to ensure freedom. Where it fails to do such it should obviously be held to account.

That's why we have these legal tricks built into our government.

Ok then how about every time Republicans are in the minority in a state legislature or Congress they simply don't show up and the evil urban folk can't impose their will on the farmers. Who cares if their is no budget things will run perfectly fine without one.

Pretty much. Yes. Republican politics works perfectly well with little to no budget.

[The Black Forrest]

Therefore why not just not show up at all? Republicans don't believe in democracy and are willing to shut down the government so the majority of the state population who voted in the current legislature get punished for their audacity.

If it’s democracy, then the Reps are using a democratic tactic by not showing up to vote. It’s annoying? Sure. Should they show up and work by voting? Probably. But this is not an uncommon tactic.

It’s a tatic that should be nipped in the bud. If I don’t show up for a project because I think it’s a waste of time; I would be punished. Obviously goverment works different and they are safe behind “if the people don’t like it they will vote us out”

[The Black Forrest]

Ok then how about every time Republicans are in the minority in a state legislature or Congress they simply don't show up and the evil urban folk can't impose their will on the farmers. Who cares if their is no budget things will run perfectly fine without one.

Pretty much. Yes. Republican politics works perfectly well with little to no budget.

How much did the Iraq war cost again?

[The Emerald Legion]

Pretty much. Yes. Republican politics works perfectly well with little to no budget.

How much did the Iraq war cost again?

War is Bipartisan.

[The East Marches II]

This sort of stunt tends to murder your support. Ask WI Dems.

They did get a majority of the vote for the state legislature in 2018. Gerrymandering is why they dont have the most seats.

Today I learned San Lumen doesn't realize different elections are different elections.

[San Lumen]

it would be within her rights. They are violating the state constitution by not showing up but rules dont apply to Republicans

Sure but is she willing to deal with the possible repercussions? I mean, I understand the frustration. They did this just a few months ago. As a citizen I’m really tired myself of the constant imbecility of all politicians in this country and the fact that nothing seems to get done, but for all intents and purposes, this is part of these Reps jobs. It’s just annoying as all fuck.

What repercussions?

Ok then how about every time Republicans are in the minority in a state legislature or Congress they simply don't show up and the evil urban folk can't impose their will on the farmers. Who cares if their is no budget things will run perfectly fine without one.

Pretty much. Yes. Republican politics works perfectly well with little to no budget.

Ok then tell your republicans leaders in your state to have their members not show up at all. Let us know how it goes.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

If it’s democracy, then the Reps are using a democratic tactic by not showing up to vote. It’s annoying? Sure. Should they show up and work by voting? Probably. But this is not an uncommon tactic.

It’s a tatic that should be nipped in the bud. If I don’t show up for a project because I think it’s a waste of time; I would be punished. Obviously goverment works different and they are safe behind “if the people don’t like it they will vote us out”

Trust me when I say this is very annoying. But politicos are this way. If they vote, they lose. They don’t want to lose, so they don’t show up so the bill can’t pass.

[Necroghastia]

Pretty much. Yes. Republican politics works perfectly well with little to no budget.

How much did the Iraq war cost again?

Not to mention the compensation border wall.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Quite honestly. Fuck democracy. Democracy is a tool to ensure freedom. Where it fails to do such it should obviously be held to account.

That's why we have these legal tricks built into our government.

Ok then how about every time Republicans are in the minority in a state legislature or Congress they simply don't show up and the evil urban folk can't impose their will on the farmers. Who cares if their is no budget things will run perfectly fine without one.

I'd be cool if the urbanite bourgeois didn't impose their will on the rural proletariat. besides, just continue without them.

[San Lumen]

It’s a tatic that should be nipped in the bud. If I don’t show up for a project because I think it’s a waste of time; I would be punished. Obviously goverment works different and they are safe behind “if the people don’t like it they will vote us out”

Trust me when I say this is very annoying. But politicos are this way. If they vote, they lose. They don’t want to lose, so they don’t show up so the bill can’t pass.

Why not do that on every bill the majority proposes incldiuing the budget?

[The Black Forrest]

How much did the Iraq war cost again?

War is Bipartisan.

Either you are with us or against us says otherwise. Republican politics have giant budgets.

[San Lumen]

Ok then how about every time Republicans are in the minority in a state legislature or Congress they simply don't show up and the evil urban folk can't impose their will on the farmers. Who cares if their is no budget things will run perfectly fine without one.

I'd be cool if the urbanite bourgeois didn't impose their will on the rural proletariat. besides, just continue without them.

What do you mean continue without them? Laws apply to all counties not just those that voted for you.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Trust me when I say this is very annoying. But politicos are this way. If they vote, they lose. They don’t want to lose, so they don’t show up so the bill can’t pass.

Why not do that on every bill the majority proposes incldiuing the budget?

I’m sure the budgetary bill affects them more directly. Like what they get paid. For that you can bet your ass they will show for.