Oregon Republicans Walk Out Again to Stop Climate Bill

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Yes.

Any relevant evidence discovered during the discovery process must be submitted to the court.

If you don't you will be disbarred and held in contempt of court.

Since when? I know you have to submit a witness list, and things you intend to use in the trial (with some exceptions), but that's generally it.

Standard 11-2.2 Defense disclosure

(a) The defense should, within a specified and reasonable time prior to trial, disclose to the prosecution the following information and material and permit inspection, copying, testing, and photographing of disclosed documents and tangible objects:

(i) The names and addresses of all witnesses (other than the defendant) whom the defense intends to call at trial, together with all written statements of any such witness that are within the possession or control of the defense and that relate to the subject matter of the testimony of the witness. Disclosure of the identity and statements of a person who will be called for the sole purpose of impeaching a prosecution witness should not be required until after the prosecution witness has testified at trial.

(ii) Any reports or written statements made in connection with the case by experts whom the defense intends to call at trial, including the results of physical or mental examinations and of scientific tests, experiments, or comparisons that the defendant intends to offer as evidence at trial. For each such expert witness, the defense should also furnish to the prosecution a curriculum vitae and a written description of the substance of the proposed testimony of the expert, the expert’s opinion, and the underlying basis of that opinion.

(iii) Any tangible objects, including books, papers, documents, photographs, buildings, places, or any other objects, which the defense intends to introduce as evidence at trial.

(b) If the defense intends to use character, reputation, or other act evidence not relating to the defendant, the defense should notify the prosecution of that intention and of the substance of the evidence to be used.

(c) If the defense intends to rely upon a defense of alibi or insanity, the defense should notify the prosecution of that intent and of the names of the witnesses who may be called in support of that defense.

Notably, the defense is only required to disclose something if it intends to use it or call them at trial. Anything the defense does not intend to use at trial is excluded. (There's also a couple exclusions for things used in the trial, such as impeachment witnesses.)

Provided the defense has no intent to use proof of guilt in the trial (which they wouldn't), under ABA guidelines, they are not required to disclose it.

Really? I did not know this. Was under the impression that you have to submit any evidence found during discovery.

But anyway I would still submit it beacuse it would be unethical to not do so.

[Christian Confederation]

Please tell me your joking


It will go nowhere as the state government would never approve the result of the referendum nor allow it on the ballot.



And you don't get anyone to listen to you when you walk out of the legislature because your in the minority

What's the purpose of showing up? The opposition in control will simply dominate you if you do, it's the only VIABLE tactic, aside from armed revolt which is what people like you clearly seem intent on stoking.

Ah yes because the people can't just take the state to court for not taking care of there needs.

[Saturna1ia]

No, they were voted in to represent their constituents on legislation, which means actually being there to voice agreement or opposition to said legislation. Oregon Republicans are acting insufferable, and no amount of deflection can change that fact. Where and when can you give me another example of a state level legislature delegation walking out just to stop one bill?

Since when do we care about following laws? The Democrats already have sanctuary cities sheltering literal criminals and refusing to cooperate with authorities, regardless if it's "legal" or not, clearly there picking and choosing.

I repeat, no amount of deflection. I have no qualms with Oregon Republicans opposing the Climate Bill, but to hold the entire legislature in limbo and thus deny EVERY constituent of Oregon representation on matters of governance is, again, insufferable.

[San Lumen]

I love it when people just make a straw man out of the other side of politics.

yeah, bribe poor masses with "Free shit" into voting for you then stride around like your ideas are some how more "valid" and then process to fuck over the rural areas with the sledgehammer you made.

Go run for office with nasty comments like yours

[Nazeroth]

What's the purpose of showing up? The opposition in control will simply dominate you if you do, it's the only VIABLE tactic, aside from armed revolt which is what people like you clearly seem intent on stoking.

Elections have consequences. To shut down the government because your in the minority is effectively saying we dont respect democracy or free and fair elections/

Yeah elections do have consequences, if the winners of elections treat the opposition like they are nothing more that rabbel to be dominated, you will get your consequences.

I don't know why this is not so hard to understand, this is pretty basic stuff for why nations collapse.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Since when do we care about following laws? The Democrats already have sanctuary cities sheltering literal criminals and refusing to cooperate with authorities, regardless if it's "legal" or not, clearly there picking and choosing.

I repeat, no amount of deflection. I have no qualms with Oregon Republicans opposing the Climate Bill, but to hold the entire legislature in limbo and thus deny EVERY constituent of Oregon representation on matters of governance is, again, insufferable.

Oh, agreed, it is insufferable. But our politicians are lately nothing if not insufferable.

[West Leas Oros 2]

that's essentialyl what democrats want


import shit tons of illegals, pay them under the table, create a serf class and tax the SHIT out of people in cities.

more or less create a MASSIVE rich-poor divide so they can have there starbucks and retail workers.

I love it when people just make a straw man out of the other side of politics.

To be fair, it's not that far off. The democrats are the party of rich urbanites. Again, look at Bloomberg, who essentially personifies the "look at those backwards, uneducated peasants in the countryside." mentality.

[Nazeroth]

yeah, bribe poor masses with "Free shit" into voting for you then stride around like your ideas are some how more "valid" and then process to fuck over the rural areas with the sledgehammer you made.

Go run for office with nasty comments like yours

nastly comments? you mean telling the truth?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I love it when people just make a straw man out of the other side of politics.

yeah, bribe poor masses with "Free shit" into voting for you then stride around like your ideas are some how more "valid" and then process to fuck over the rural areas with the sledgehammer you made.

Yeah, just keep on building that straw man that represents in your mind an entire party.

Nevermind that you are using an illogical fallacy that makes your entire argument illegitimate, we have to fight this straw man! We must assume the other side is acting in bad faith for the sake of your confirmation bias.

[Nazeroth]

I love it when people just make a straw man out of the other side of politics.

To be fair, it's not that far off. The democrats are the party of rich urbanites. Again, look at Bloomberg, who essentially personifies the "look at those backwards, uneducated peasants in the countryside." mentality.

This ^ 100%

[San Lumen]

Elections have consequences. To shut down the government because your in the minority is effectively saying we dont respect democracy or free and fair elections/

Yeah elections do have consequences, if the winners of elections treat the opposition like they are nothing more that rabbel to be dominated, you will get your consequences.

I don't know why this is not so hard to understand, this is pretty basic stuff for why nations collapse.

No they arent treating them that way. Republicans simply dont want to respect they got outvoted and would rather shut down the government as punishment for voting against them

[Nazeroth]

yeah, bribe poor masses with "Free shit" into voting for you then stride around like your ideas are some how more "valid" and then process to fuck over the rural areas with the sledgehammer you made.

Yeah, just keep on building that straw man that represents in your mind an entire party.

Nevermind that you are using an illogical fallacy that makes your entire argument illegitimate, we have to fight this straw man! We must assume the other side is acting in bad faith for the sake of your confirmation bias.

we don't need to assume anything, they have demonstrated it.

[San Lumen]

Go run for office with nasty comments like yours

nastly comments? you mean telling the truth?

Its not the truth but since you so firmly believe it go run for office with comments like that.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I love it when people just make a straw man out of the other side of politics.

To be fair, it's not that far off. The democrats are the party of rich urbanites. Again, look at Bloomberg, who essentially personifies the "look at those backwards, uneducated peasants in the countryside." mentality.

Who gives a shit about bloomberg, Bernie is wining in the primaries anyway.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Yeah, just keep on building that straw man that represents in your mind an entire party.

Nevermind that you are using an illogical fallacy that makes your entire argument illegitimate, we have to fight this straw man! We must assume the other side is acting in bad faith for the sake of your confirmation bias.

we don't need to assume anything, they have demonstrated it.

Is that your own thought or something your echo chamber said to you and you agreed with it beacuse confirmation bias?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

To be fair, it's not that far off. The democrats are the party of rich urbanites. Again, look at Bloomberg, who essentially personifies the "look at those backwards, uneducated peasants in the countryside." mentality.

This ^ 100%

Using one candidate that is losing in votes as representative of the whole party for your strawman you are building.

Not logical my dude.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

nastly comments? you mean telling the truth?

Its not the truth but since you so firmly believe it go run for office with comments like that.

Using that line again, I see.

His comments are asinine, sure but, why do you always resort to beating that horse: “if you can do better, go run for office”. Did it to Katganistan in the NYPD thread too. Let him criticize if he wants to and you argue his points, intelligently, don’t just resort to that stupid sound bite. FFS.

[The Emerald Legion]

Please tell me your joking

The 13th Amendment explicitly permits slavery.

Well, there's that and there's also the more sarcastic reasoning I was using which was that the 13th amendment limits elected officials powers thereby literally decreasing the Democratic authority of the nation.

[The Emerald Legion]

yeah, bribe poor masses with "Free shit" into voting for you then stride around like your ideas are some how more "valid" and then process to fuck over the rural areas with the sledgehammer you made.

Go run for office with nasty comments like yours

Republicans say shit like that and win all the time.

[San Lumen]

Go run for office with nasty comments like yours

Republicans say shit like that and win all the time.

can't hurt to have one more running then and being even more explicit about it

[West Leas Oros 2]

I love it when people just make a straw man out of the other side of politics.

yeah, bribe poor masses with "Free shit" into voting for you then stride around like your ideas are some how more "valid" and then process to fuck over the rural areas with the sledgehammer you made.

The Democrats don't appeal to the masses at all, and most don't promise "free shit". What are you on about?

[The Emerald Legion]

Republicans say shit like that and win all the time.

can't hurt to have one more running then and being even more explicit about it

You... Really can't be more explicit than they already are.

[West Leas Oros 2]

To be fair, it's not that far off. The democrats are the party of rich urbanites. Again, look at Bloomberg, who essentially personifies the "look at those backwards, uneducated peasants in the countryside." mentality.

Who gives a shit about bloomberg, Bernie is wining in the primaries anyway.

Eh, Bloomberg isn't the only one. Right now the Democrats are split between reformists like Sanders, and elitists like Bloomberg.

[San Lumen]

Who gives a shit about bloomberg, Bernie is wining in the primaries anyway.

Eh, Bloomberg isn't the only one. Right now the Democrats are split between reformists like Sanders, and elitists like Bloomberg.

This isnt the 2020 thread. Lets not thread jack please

[Galloism]

Since when? I know you have to submit a witness list, and things you intend to use in the trial (with some exceptions), but that's generally it.



Notably, the defense is only required to disclose something if it intends to use it or call them at trial. Anything the defense does not intend to use at trial is excluded. (There's also a couple exclusions for things used in the trial, such as impeachment witnesses.)

Provided the defense has no intent to use proof of guilt in the trial (which they wouldn't), under ABA guidelines, they are not required to disclose it.

Really? I did not know this. Was under the impression that you have to submit any evidence found during discovery.

But anyway I would still submit it beacuse it would be unethical to not do so.

That's a good way to get sued/disbarred.