Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:12 amCheck your sarcasm detector.
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Oregon Republicans Walk Out Again to Stop Climate Bill
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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:12 amPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:12 amPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:13 amIf the GOP doesn't want to show up, then vote without them. Count their votes as abstaining.
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:13 amThem not showing up means the legislature cannot function. There is no quorum
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:13 amPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:14 amThe Black Forrest wrote:Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
If it’s democracy, then the Reps are using a democratic tactic by not showing up to vote. It’s annoying? Sure. Should they show up and work by voting? Probably. But this is not an uncommon tactic.
It’s a tatic that should be nipped in the bud. If I don’t show up for a project because I think it’s a waste of time; I would be punished. Obviously goverment works different and they are safe behind “if the people don’t like it they will vote us out”
It's worth noting they could - in Oregon, the governor can send the police to round up legislators to vote.
At the federal level, a majority of present legislators can vote for the same thing if quorum can't be reached.
It's a nuclear option though, and rarely exercised.
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:14 amPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:14 amIf they want to get paid, they’ll work something out. A climate change bill however, if they represent the interests of big industries that will be affected negatively by such a bill, they’ll oppose it.
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:15 amThey’re doing their job for their constituents- protecting them from the effects of a bill they oppose.
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:15 amGalloism wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Why not just vote abstain then?
Because that's tactically foolish.
Imagine you're a defense attorney, and you have come across incontrovertible proof of your client's guilt, but the prosecution doesn't have it. And you have a really good shot at getting her off. Should you send your evidence to the prosecution? Why or why not?
You send it beacuse it is due process.
It's also legally required to do so during discovery process.
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:15 amAs someone who is against the existence of any government, i consider this a positive.
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:17 amSan Lumen wrote:Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Sure but is she willing to deal with the possible repercussions? I mean, I understand the frustration. They did this just a few months ago. As a citizen I’m really tired myself of the constant imbecility of all politicians in this country and the fact that nothing seems to get done, but for all intents and purposes, this is part of these Reps jobs. It’s just annoying as all fuck.
What repercussions?The Emerald Legion wrote:
Pretty much. Yes. Republican politics works perfectly well with little to no budget.
Ok then tell your republicans leaders in your state to have their members not show up at all. Let us know how it goes.
Given my state is gerrymandered to hell, that wouldn't break quorum and so would be ineffectual.
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:17 amOh Stubbs? Not anymore; he died in 2017.
He started out as a protest vote and probably continued as he was a tourist attraction.
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:18 amDiopolis wrote:They’re doing their job for their constituents- protecting them from the effects of a bill they oppose.
Just vote no. Why not simply refuse to show up at all and protect their constituents from evil city folk?
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:18 amThe Emerald Legion wrote:San Lumen wrote:By using it constantly though it makes them appear as not believing in democracy or free and fair elections.
Quite honestly. Fuck democracy. Democracy is a tool to ensure freedom. Where it fails to do such it should obviously be held to account.
That's why we have these legal tricks built into our government.
Democracy is freedom and liberty and should never be fucked.
Climate bills do not stop freedom.
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Why not just vote abstain then?
Because in Oregon, voting for them is losing. By not showing up and grinding things to a halt, the bill doesn’t pass.
The governor could alternatively send the police after them and forcibly bring them back to the floor. But that would turn them into “martyrs” to the constituents they claim to represent.
I see but it still looks childish and downright foolish to do that.
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:18 amGalloism wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
It’s a tatic that should be nipped in the bud. If I don’t show up for a project because I think it’s a waste of time; I would be punished. Obviously goverment works different and they are safe behind “if the people don’t like it they will vote us out”
It's worth noting they could - in Oregon, the governor can send the police to round up legislators to vote.
At the federal level, a majority of present legislators can vote for the same thing if quorum can't be reached.
It's a nuclear option though, and rarely exercised.
Well in the new atmosphere of hate; I think the nuclear options will no longer be rare.
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:18 amHaven't checked in Oregon specifically, but state legislators in most of the US are not paid a living wage. They have other sources of income.
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:19 amBecause by voting they will lose, Lumen. By not showing, the bill can’t pass.
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:19 amThey where voted in to do this. They are doing their jobs. You might not like it but they are doing their jobs
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:19 amWhy not do it for every bill then? prevent the majority from passing anything and the government can't appoint anyone to anything
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:20 amThe Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
Quite honestly. Fuck democracy. Democracy is a tool to ensure freedom. Where it fails to do such it should obviously be held to account.
That's why we have these legal tricks built into our government.
Democracy is freedom and liberty and should never be fucked.
Climate bills do not stop freedom.Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Because in Oregon, voting for them is losing. By not showing up and grinding things to a halt, the bill doesn’t pass.
The governor could alternatively send the police after them and forcibly bring them back to the floor. But that would turn them into “martyrs” to the constituents they claim to represent.
I see but it still looks childish and downright foolish to do that.
Politicians, in general, never grew up much.
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:20 amThermodolia wrote:San Lumen wrote:No they arent. Shutting down the government isnt doing their job. Its acting like spoiled children. How about they just refuse to do their jobs at all and not show up anymore?
They where voted in to do this. They are doing their jobs. You might not like it but they are doing their jobs
No they were not voted in to shut down the government
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:20 amThe Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Galloism wrote:Because that's tactically foolish.
Imagine you're a defense attorney, and you have come across incontrovertible proof of your client's guilt, but the prosecution doesn't have it. And you have a really good shot at getting her off. Should you send your evidence to the prosecution? Why or why not?
You send it beacuse it is due process.
It's also legally required to do so during discovery process.
For the defense?
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:20 amPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:21 amBecause in this bill they’re probably representing other interests. Sure you don’t need me to tell you this.