Oregon Republicans Walk Out Again to Stop Climate Bill

[Ifreann]

Why is rendering government inoperable a good thing?

They can't fuck things up if they can't work.

I wouldn't count on that.

[Galloism]

How would this advance the agenda of those who elected them?

What agenda would that be?

Presumably "fuck earth", given the context.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

It's not your state so that point is moot.

What?

What if they don't?

If they retain their dignity while being forcibly dragged back to vote, they can easily spin it in their favor.

Oregon is not your state so this entire line of thinking is non relevant.

They can ofcourse do that on Twitter or whatever. People will call them out on that being bullshit but there followers will just eat it up.

[San Lumen]

They arent the only ones who matter.

You act like the people who elected them don't matter at all, so...

Never said that.

They arent the only ones who matter.

I understand that. And the governor has options.

But I'm asking how showing up and losing would serve to advance the agenda of those who elected them. How does your response address the statement you quoted?

And how does not doing their jobs make them look good? Why not simply not show up fo the entire session. Therefore the evil urban people can't pass any laws

They arent the only ones who matter.

You're angry that Republicans are doing their utmost to advance the interests of their constituents. They represent their constituents, not the state as a whole.

Yes but shutting down the government is telling the state the minority should always get its way and if we dont like we got outvoted we will shut down the government

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

What?


If they retain their dignity while being forcibly dragged back to vote, they can easily spin it in their favor.

Oregon is not your state so this entire line of thinking is non relevant.

They can ofcourse do that on Twitter or whatever. People will call them out on that being bullshit but there followers will just eat it up.

Oh please. The “It’s not your state so STFU?” line is getting ridiculous. Neither is it Lumen’s state and he’s arguing.

[Proctopeo]

What?


If they retain their dignity while being forcibly dragged back to vote, they can easily spin it in their favor.

Oregon is not your state so this entire line of thinking is non relevant.

Lumen asked me about what I would think if it happened in my state. I explained why it wouldn't, and what I would think if the equivalent happened.

They can ofcourse do that on Twitter or whatever. People will call them out on that being bullshit but there followers will just eat it up.

Followers and many people near the middle. Though some of that could be due to many people who "call out bullshit" being shitty bullshitters their shitty selves.

You act like the people who elected them don't matter at all, so...

Never said that.

The key word here was "act". I did not say that you said that, but that it is how you act.

[Galloism]

I understand that. And the governor has options.

But I'm asking how showing up and losing would serve to advance the agenda of those who elected them. How does your response address the statement you quoted?

And how does not doing their jobs make them look good? Why not simply not show up fo the entire session. Therefore the evil urban people can't pass any laws

I don't care how it makes them look. How does voluntarily showing up and voting no advance their agenda? How does YOUR statement have ANYTHING to do with the one you quoted?

Reminder, this is what I'm talking about:

They were elected to advance the agenda of those who elected them. If they can best do that by bringing the government to a grinding halt, then they are doing their job.

Then vote no on the damm bill and stop acting like spoiled children. Why not just get elected and then not show up the entire session?

[The Emerald Legion]

You act like the people who elected them don't matter at all, so...

Never said that.

I understand that. And the governor has options.

But I'm asking how showing up and losing would serve to advance the agenda of those who elected them. How does your response address the statement you quoted?

And how does not doing their jobs make them look good? Why not simply not show up fo the entire session. Therefore the evil urban people can't pass any laws

You're angry that Republicans are doing their utmost to advance the interests of their constituents. They represent their constituents, not the state as a whole.

Yes but shutting down the government is telling the state the minority should always get its way and if we dont like we got outvoted we will shut down the government

Yes. Otherwise what's the point of having a quorum?

[Hakons]

Indiana Dems did this in 2011 over right to work legislation. I have doubts the people expressing their sincere disapproval for Republicans "not doing their job" would've given the same assessment for them as they do now.

For reference, Indiana Democrats were slaughtered in the next elections, and Indiana GOP has had super majorities ever since. Could happen to Oregon GOP.

[San Lumen]

And how does not doing their jobs make them look good? Why not simply not show up fo the entire session. Therefore the evil urban people can't pass any laws

I don't care how it makes them look. How does voluntarily showing up and voting no advance their agenda? How does YOUR statement have ANYTHING to do with the one you quoted?

Reminder, this is what I'm talking about:

Then vote no on the damm bill and stop acting like spoiled children. Why not just get elected and then not show up the entire session?

Why not simply refuse to show up at all since they got outvoted? Punish the entire state by preventing the legislature from passing anything at all?

[Loben The 2nd]

As I'm sure I explained the last time this happened, they are doing their jobs by not doing their jobs.


If the state police get involved, wager a guess.

Apparently letting the climate be fucked to the point where Florada becomes underwater is there job now.

The police would just drag them into the room and force them to vote.

That wouldn’t be very democratic now would it?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Then vote no on the damm bill and stop acting like spoiled children. Why not just get elected and then not show up the entire session?

That doesn't advance their agenda. It advances yours.

Why not indeed? The world would be better off if our elected officials just fucking stayed home and did nothing.

Voting no on a bill beacuse you disagree with it advances the opposite addenda some how.

I too want slow shut down of all nations leading to a slow break down of life as we know it.

Oregon is not your state so this entire line of thinking is non relevant.

They can ofcourse do that on Twitter or whatever. People will call them out on that being bullshit but there followers will just eat it up.

Oh please. The “It’s not your state so STFU?” line is getting ridiculous. Neither is it Lumen’s state and he’s arguing.

?

Did I do something wrong?

[San Lumen]

Apparently letting the climate be fucked to the point where Florada becomes underwater is there job now.

The police would just drag them into the room and force them to vote.

That wouldn’t be very democratic now would it?

Nor is giving the finger to the rest of the state because they are in the minority

[The Emerald Legion]

I don't care how it makes them look. How does voluntarily showing up and voting no advance their agenda? How does YOUR statement have ANYTHING to do with the one you quoted?

Reminder, this is what I'm talking about:

Why not simply refuse to show up at all since they got outvoted? Punish the entire state by preventing the legislature from passing anything at all?

Because they obviously don't care if other things get passed. Just not those things they walk out on.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Apparently letting the climate be fucked to the point where Florada becomes underwater is there job now.

The police would just drag them into the room and force them to vote.

That wouldn’t be very democratic now would it?

How would it not be democratic?

They can vote however they want. Yes, no, abstain.

The cops would just force them to vote. They don't control what they vote for or against.

[The Black Forrest]

Oregon is not your state so this entire line of thinking is non relevant.

Lumen asked me about what I would think if it happened in my state. I explained why it wouldn't, and what I would think if the equivalent happened.

They can ofcourse do that on Twitter or whatever. People will call them out on that being bullshit but there followers will just eat it up.

Followers and many people near the middle. Though some of that could be due to many people who "call out bullshit" being shitty bullshitters their shitty selves.

Never said that.

The key word here was "act". I did not say that you said that, but that it is how you act.

There seems to be enough people interested if bills are being introduced. Step in and vote no. How does that hurt this “agenda” you think exists?

[Vesperian Confederation]

PNW Republicans doing the timeless job of causing civil disorder in the region to protest *checks notes* minor climate legislation that slightly hurts the profits of multinational ecologically disastrous resource extraction corporations

The Oregon and WA GOP are just 5 logging and mining interests in a trench coat

[The Black Forrest]

Why not simply refuse to show up at all since they got outvoted? Punish the entire state by preventing the legislature from passing anything at all?

Because they obviously don't care if other things get passed. Just not those things they walk out on.

That is the mainstay of the trump party. How many bills has the senate sat on these years?

[San Lumen]

Why not simply refuse to show up at all since they got outvoted? Punish the entire state by preventing the legislature from passing anything at all?

Because they obviously don't care if other things get passed. Just not those things they walk out on.

Just vote no and be done with it.

[Vassenor]

OK, so what makes this bill so evil that it must be stopped at all costs?

[Galloism]

Why not simply refuse to show up at all since they got outvoted? Punish the entire state by preventing the legislature from passing anything at all?

You're not answering the question. You're just complaining about how you don't like it. I get it - you don't like it. Hell, it's pretty shitty.

But, how does showing up when they're doomed to lose advance THEIR agenda?

How does YOUR statement have ANYTHING to do with the one you quoted?

This is a key part of arguing San Lumen. Your statements need to have something to do with the ones you are quoting. Either you need to answer the question, or explain why the question is invalid or incorrect.

IE, "It advances their agenda by <insert some argument here>" or "politicians aren't meant to advance the agenda of their constituents, but to serve the public good" (to invalid the premise of the question that advancing the agenda of the constituents is actually important) or "they are not advancing the agenda of their constituents because their constituents are actually against what they're doing and here's a poll" (invalidating the premise that they are serving the constituents at all).

When someone says "they're elected to advance the interest of their constituents" followed by you saying "THEN SHOW UP AND VOTE NO", you are advancing an invalid argument, as that's not advancing the interests of their constituents, it's advancing the interests of their constituents opposition, or working against the interests of their constituents.

Argue better.

[San Lumen]

Why not simply refuse to show up at all since they got outvoted? Punish the entire state by preventing the legislature from passing anything at all?

You're not answering the question. You're just complaining about how you don't like it. I get it - you don't like it. Hell, it's pretty shitty.

But, how does showing up when they're doomed to lose advance THEIR agenda?

How does YOUR statement have ANYTHING to do with the one you quoted?

This is a key part of arguing San Lumen. Your statements need to have something to do with the ones you are quoting. Either you need to answer the question, or explain why the question is invalid or incorrect.

IE, "It advances their agenda by <insert some argument here>" or "politicians aren't meant to advance the agenda of their constituents, but to serve the public good" (to invalid the premise of the question that advancing the agenda of the constituents is actually important) or "they are not advancing the agenda of their constituents because their constituents are actually against what they're doing and here's a poll" (invalidating the premise that they are serving the constituents at all).

When someone says "they're elected to advance the interest of their constituents" followed by "THEN SHOW UP AND VOTE NO" is invalid, as that's not advancing the interests of their constituents, it's advancing the interests of their constituents opposition, or working against the interests of their constituents.

Argue better.

Therefore why not just not show up at all? Republicans don't believe in democracy and are willing to shut down the government so the majority of the state population who voted in the current legislature get punished for their audacity.

[San Lumen]

OK, so what makes this bill so evil that it must be stopped at all costs?

It hurts their donors

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

OK, so what makes this bill so evil that it must be stopped at all costs?

It would cost the billionaires who own the company about 0.001% of there profits to update there businesses to comply with the bill.

Can't have that now can we?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You're not answering the question. You're just complaining about how you don't like it. I get it - you don't like it. Hell, it's pretty shitty.

But, how does showing up when they're doomed to lose advance THEIR agenda?

How does YOUR statement have ANYTHING to do with the one you quoted?

This is a key part of arguing San Lumen. Your statements need to have something to do with the ones you are quoting. Either you need to answer the question, or explain why the question is invalid or incorrect.

IE, "It advances their agenda by <insert some argument here>" or "politicians aren't meant to advance the agenda of their constituents, but to serve the public good" (to invalid the premise of the question that advancing the agenda of the constituents is actually important) or "they are not advancing the agenda of their constituents because their constituents are actually against what they're doing and here's a poll" (invalidating the premise that they are serving the constituents at all).

When someone says "they're elected to advance the interest of their constituents" followed by "THEN SHOW UP AND VOTE NO" is invalid, as that's not advancing the interests of their constituents, it's advancing the interests of their constituents opposition, or working against the interests of their constituents.

Argue better.

Therefore why not just not show up at all? Republicans don't believe in democracy and are willing to shut down the government so the majority of the state population who voted in the current legislature get punished for their audacity.

If it’s democracy, then the Reps are using a democratic tactic by not showing up to vote. It’s annoying? Sure. Should they show up and work by voting? Probably. But this is not an uncommon tactic.