2020 US General Election Thread V: Pandemic Postpones Polls

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

You would much rather Bloomberg than Sanders?

Yes

What about the sexual harassment, racism, stop-and-frisk and all his other horrible deeds?

[Duvniask]

You would much rather Bloomberg than Sanders?

Yes

Why? Are you insane?

[Jerzylvania]

Yes

Why? Are you insane?

You can do better than that.

[Necroghastia]

You would much rather Bloomberg than Sanders?

Yes

Bloomberg is essentially the same person as Trump, but not senile. He's literally the only person running who I would prefer Trump to. You seriously think Sanders would cause the downfall of the democrats and not the person who goes against everything they claim to stand for?

[Ethel mermania]

Yes

Bloomberg is essentially the same person as Trump, but not senile. He's literally the only person running who I would prefer Trump to. You seriously think Sanders would cause the downfall of the democrats and not the person who goes against everything they claim to stand for?

If you think Bloomberg and trump are the same, you have no clue about either of them.

[Duvniask]

Why? Are you insane?

You can do better than that.

No u.

Actively supporting Bloomberg (and not just taking his bribes) is to support evil for its own sake.

[Jerzylvania]

You can do better than that.

No u.

Actively supporting Bloomberg (and not just taking his bribes) is to support evil for its own sake.

Unless you're a psychiatrist... don't diagnose the insane.

BTW, Bloomberg donated $1.8 Billion to Johns Hopkins University. Did you?

[Duvniask]

No u.

Actively supporting Bloomberg (and not just taking his bribes) is to support evil for its own sake.

Unless you're a psychiatrist... don't diagnose the insane.

BTW, Bloomberg donated $1.7 Billion to Johns Hopkins University. Did you?

If you're trying to guilt me into feeling inferior about a billionaire's ill-gotten gains, then it's not going to work, pal. Billionaires should not exist and the fact that we have to rely on their charity at all is a testament to social failure.

[Bienenhalde]

Got ya. That makes sense to me.

As far as I can tell, you seem to be a Republican. What do you think of Weld, even if we all know he won't win against Trump?

I'm not a Republican by any stretch of the imagination. I find them vaguely more preferable because of personal circumstances but that's about where my sympathies end. I don't like Weld at all, to me represents the very worst of the Republican party. Trump for all his faults at least represents a shift away from failed social conservatism and a move towards a more populist nationalism that I find much more bearable in comparison. If only it had a better helmsman instead of Trumps incompetent ass.

What is wrong with Weld? I do think Weld is too pro-free market in terms of economic policy, but at least he is not a sexist, racist, bully like Trump, so he is preferable in that regard. Despite favoring certain interventionist policies like tariffs, I still get the impression that Trump favors big business profits over the working class.

[Outer Sparta]

You would much rather Bloomberg than Sanders?

Yes

So you tolerate a racist, misogynistic billionaire from New York who actively has funded Republican campaigns such as Pat Toomey's?

[Bienenhalde]

So what comes to mind when someone says the phrase "revolutionary politics of the 1960s" ?

That depends who you ask. There does seem to be a belief that MLK won civil rights for black Americans by making a calm and polite argument and engaging in peaceful, non-disruptive protests.

MLK might have engaged in a bit of disruptive civil disobendience, but he was no revolutionary extremist. He was a moderate reformist who believed in Christianity and the US constitution and rejected communism.

[Jerzylvania]

Unless you're a psychiatrist... don't diagnose the insane.

BTW, Bloomberg donated $1.7 Billion to Johns Hopkins University. Did you?

If you're trying to guilt me into feeling inferior about a billionaire's ill-gotten gains, then it's not going to work, pal. Billionaires should not exist and the fact that we have to rely on their charity at all is a testament to social failure.

I'm just telling you not to be rude. I really don't care about your all billionaires are the same complex. I am happy Bloomberg is aiding in the effort to defeat Trump with his enormous financial resources. Do I want him to be the nominee? Not really, and I think his chances are minimal. He has stated he will support the eventual nominee and that works for me.

[Duvniask]

If you're trying to guilt me into feeling inferior about a billionaire's ill-gotten gains, then it's not going to work, pal. Billionaires should not exist and the fact that we have to rely on their charity at all is a testament to social failure.

I'm just telling you not to be rude.

Why should I not be "rude" about someone who says they'd prefer a piece of shit who sexually harassed women, pursued racist policies, and who fucked with homeless people? Because he's a rich fuck who donated some money to charity once? How virtuous. Shall I grovel at his feet, too, thanking him for giving away money he never should've had in the first place?

[Aclion]

You would much rather Bloomberg than Sanders?

Yes

Why would you support someone who built a career being everything you accuse Trump of being and worse?

[Jerzylvania]

I'm just telling you not to be rude.

Why should I not be "rude" about someone who says they'd prefer a piece of shit who sexually harassed women, pursued racist policies, and who fucked with homeless people? Because he's a rich fuck who donated some money to charity once? How virtuous. Shall I grovel at his feet, too, thanking him for giving away money he never should've had in the first place?

You were rude to San Lumen. He's not insane. You can read, right?

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

If you're trying to guilt me into feeling inferior about a billionaire's ill-gotten gains, then it's not going to work, pal. Billionaires should not exist and the fact that we have to rely on their charity at all is a testament to social failure.

I'm just telling you not to be rude. I really don't care about your all billionaires are the same complex. I am happy Bloomberg is aiding in the effort to defeat Trump with his enormous financial resources. Do I want him to be the nominee? Not really, and I think his chances are minimal. He has stated he will support the eventual nominee and that works for me.

We'll see if he keeps his promise in the event of a Sanders nomination.

[Duvniask]

Why should I not be "rude" about someone who says they'd prefer a piece of shit who sexually harassed women, pursued racist policies, and who fucked with homeless people? Because he's a rich fuck who donated some money to charity once? How virtuous. Shall I grovel at his feet, too, thanking him for giving away money he never should've had in the first place?

You were rude to San Lumen. He's not insane. You can read, right?

You know how "insane" is not literal, right? Just like when you ask someone "what are you smoking?", you're not actually interested in what substances they may or may not be inhaling... You're using it to say they're being ridiculous.

[Farnhamia]

You were rude to San Lumen. He's not insane. You can read, right?

You know how "insane" is not literal, right? Just like when you ask someone "what are you smoking?", you're not actually interested in what substances they may or may not be inhaling... You're using it to say they're being ridiculous.

You know that this is a text interface, right? No one can hear you being sarcastic. Just be civil.

[Ifreann]

Opiates and liberal salt, the Republican drugs of choice.

Gotta have your zingers be accurate to the pharmaceutical classifications of heroin.

Being technically correct is the best kind of correct.

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And if Bloomberg is happy to send the NYPD to spy on people all over the world in order to suppress entirely legal protests against Bush and the Republican convention in New York, what's he going to do with federal intelligence agencies and federal law enforcement?

They sent them to get heads up on more bombings in NYC, which has happened. Local protests were not handled by counter-terrorism.

Making excuses for local police acting internationally really doesn't address my point.

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Hopefully it leads to anyone but Bernie winning a majority of delegates on Tuesday

You would much rather Bloomberg than Sanders?

Lumen would rather America become a one party dictatorship than have Sanders be the nominee, as long as it's his party.

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No u.

Actively supporting Bloomberg (and not just taking his bribes) is to support evil for its own sake.

Unless you're a psychiatrist... don't diagnose the insane.

BTW, Bloomberg donated $1.8 Billion to Johns Hopkins University. Did you?

Bet that was worth a big tax write-off. How many government services go underfunded because billionaires get to effectively dictate public spending through "charitable" donations?

[Duvniask]

You know how "insane" is not literal, right? Just like when you ask someone "what are you smoking?", you're not actually interested in what substances they may or may not be inhaling... You're using it to say they're being ridiculous.

You know that this is a text interface, right? No one can hear you being sarcastic. Just be civil.

I expect people to have a minimal amount of common sense when engaging on these forums.

Seriously. If you think I am literally calling San Lumen clinically insane, you're, well, being ridiculous.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

That depends who you ask. There does seem to be a belief that MLK won civil rights for black Americans by making a calm and polite argument and engaging in peaceful, non-disruptive protests.

MLK might have engaged in a bit of disruptive civil disobendience, but he was no revolutionary extremist. He was a moderate reformist who believed in Christianity and the US constitution and rejected communism.

"The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of racism and militarism."

“The profit motive, when it is the sole basis of an economic system, encourages a cutthroat competition and selfish ambition that inspires men to be more concerned about making a living than making a life.”

Sure. He was a Christian, that's for sure, but definitely not a capitalist.

[Farnhamia]

You know that this is a text interface, right? No one can hear you being sarcastic. Just be civil.

I expect people to have a minimal amount of common sense when engaging on these forums.

Seriously. If you think I am literally calling San Lumen clinically insane, you're, well, being ridiculous.

Did I say I thought so? All I'm asking, in a friendly, unofficial way, is that you post in a civil manner and that you not lose your temper. You don't get points for being rude.

[Jerzylvania]

You were rude to San Lumen. He's not insane. You can read, right?

You know how "insane" is not literal, right? Just like when you ask someone "what are you smoking?", you're not actually interested in what substances they may or may not be inhaling... You're using it to say they're being ridiculous.

Since you seem such a babe in the woods, I'll tell you what's crazy... It's a bunch of faux Sanders supporters that are so over the top with vitriol and rudeness that they could well be Trump supporters. Their goal? To alienate the moderate Dem vote in an effort to ensure they won't come out and vote for Bernie in November. If not that, then they're just ignorant. You may fit the bill either way. Why not tone it down?

[Cannot think of a name]

That depends who you ask. There does seem to be a belief that MLK won civil rights for black Americans by making a calm and polite argument and engaging in peaceful, non-disruptive protests.

MLK might have engaged in a bit of disruptive civil disobendience, but he was no revolutionary extremist. He was a moderate reformist who believed in Christianity and the US constitution and rejected communism.

“I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.”
https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king ... etta-scott

And one day we must ask the question, ‘Why are there forty million poor people in America? And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising questions about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth.’ When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I’m simply saying that more and more, we’ve got to begin to ask questions about the whole society…”

"Capitalism forgets that life is social. And the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism, but in a higher synthesis.”

https://www.plough.com/en/topics/justic ... -from-here

“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
https://truthout.org/articles/martin-lu ... t-a-saint/

We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
https://kairoscenter.org/wp-content/upl ... 2-page.pdf

“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
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I am now convinced that the simplest approach will prove to be the most effective – the solution to poverty is to abolish it directly by a now widely discussed matter: the guaranteed income… The curse of poverty has no justification in our age. It is socially as cruel and blind as the practice of cannibalism at the dawn of civilization, when men ate each other because they had not yet learned to take food from the soil or to consume the abundant animal life around them. The time has come for us to civilize ourselves by the total, direct and immediate abolition of poverty.”
https://www.drmartinlutherkingjr.com/wh ... egoing.htm

“You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry. Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong with capitalism.”


“[W]e are saying that something is wrong … with capitalism…. There must be better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.”
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“If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty and make it possible for all of God’s children to have the basic necessities of life, she too will go to hell.”

[Major-Tom]

You know how "insane" is not literal, right? Just like when you ask someone "what are you smoking?", you're not actually interested in what substances they may or may not be inhaling... You're using it to say they're being ridiculous.

Since you seem such a babe in the woods, I'll tell you what's crazy... It's a bunch of faux Sanders supporters that are so over the top with vitriol and rudeness that they could well be Trump supporters. Their goal? To alienate the moderate Dem vote in an effort to ensure they won't come out and vote for Bernie in November. If not that, then they're just ignorant. You may fit the bill either way. Why not tone it down?

People on Twitter and the internet are rude, I don't care if they're Bernie supporters, Pete supporters, Klobuchar supporters, Trump supporters etc, it's semi-anonymous online and people can vent their pent up political anger without any real-world consequences (unless you're Bret Stephens, of course).

At the end of the day, the Bernie supporter you know in person is going to be no more rude than the Biden supporter you know.