2020 US General Election Thread V: Pandemic Postpones Polls

[San Lumen]

Where are you getting this from, if I may? I haven't seen anything about that.

Noticing on Reddit and Twitter a lot more

Reddit and twitter aren’t representative

[Sougra]

Where are you getting this from, if I may? I haven't seen anything about that.

Noticing on Reddit and Twitter a lot more

Ah. Got ya. I don't pay much attention to that at all, but that makes sense that they'd do that. Incredibly hot button issue when called upon.

[Jerzylvania]

The media will push the Biden "come back kid" narrative if he wins SC (even if he's been ordained to win it since he's announced).

Super Tuesday will be the defining moment in this primary, Biden still has a real shot.

Nah, Biden is too old to be the "Come Back Kid". Something more is needed to fit his age. But Biden could make it a contested convention if he gets a sizable amount of Delegates matched to Sanders. I don't know, this race is fluid and unpredictable.

It is fluid and unpredictable. However, I'll predict Biden wins SC Primary now that he has earned Rep. James Clyburn's powerful endorsement. So Joe Biden wins it, Bernie gets a respectable second then Steyer, Pete, Liz and Amy.

Biden is the Come Back Septuagenarian.

[Ethel mermania]

So what comes to mind when someone says the phrase "revolutionary politics of the 1960s" ?

That depends who you ask. There does seem to be a belief that MLK won civil rights for black Americans by making a calm and polite argument and engaging in peaceful, non-disruptive protests.

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PD in the states is local, so he cant even if he wanted too (and he doesnt).

More like 100 dollar a carton cigarettes and no bottles of sugared soda over 20 oz.

If he can buy Congress, he can buy state legislatures.

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PD is local, and bloomberg has disavowed his stop and frisk policy in the city. If that's your concern about him, dont worry stop and frisk will never be national.

Bloomberg is disavowing stop-and-frisk now because now it's a liability, and his disavowals make clear that he doesn't actually see anything wrong with the policy.

Even if you are right aboutbhim still believing in stop and frisk, I dont think that matters for two reasons.

1. PD is local, the feds really dont tell local PD how to police (court orders are the exception)

2. Even if he could, he isnt going to waste time and money dealing with that sort of local issue.

What he will spend a ton of money on is gun control. He had been big on gun control since his first term as mayor.

[San Lumen]

Nah, Biden is too old to be the "Come Back Kid". Something more is needed to fit his age. But Biden could make it a contested convention if he gets a sizable amount of Delegates matched to Sanders. I don't know, this race is fluid and unpredictable.

It is fluid and unpredictable. However, I'll predict Biden wins SC Primary now that he has earned Rep. James Clyburn's powerful endorsement. So Joe Biden wins it, Bernie gets a respectable second then Steyer, Pete, Liz and Amy.

Hopefully it leads to anyone but Bernie winning a majority of delegates on Tuesday

[Post War America]

Iunno, it seems likely that there will be party infighting even if a candidate were to walk in with the majority of delegates, its almost as if the two-party system is entirely dysfunctional and there should be a move to begin shifting towards proportional representation.

Delegates are awarded proportionally and a candidate getting a plurality isn’t entitled to the nomination

And you are completely missing the point.

I'm talking about proportional assignments in the general not the primary, a parliamentary system.

[Ifreann]

That depends who you ask. There does seem to be a belief that MLK won civil rights for black Americans by making a calm and polite argument and engaging in peaceful, non-disruptive protests.

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If he can buy Congress, he can buy state legislatures.

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Bloomberg is disavowing stop-and-frisk now because now it's a liability, and his disavowals make clear that he doesn't actually see anything wrong with the policy.

Even if you are right aboutbhim still believing in stop and frisk, I dont think that matters for two reasons.

1. PD is local, the feds really dont tell local PD how to police (court orders are the exception)

2. Even if he could, he isnt going to waste time and money dealing with that sort of local issue.

What he will spend a ton of money on is gun control. He had been big on gun control since his first term as mayor.

Maybe he wouldn't actually enact national stop and frisk, but he pretty clearly believes in giving more power to the police, civil rights be damned. Not a great look for someone who'd have control of a much bigger personal army than the NYPD.

[Aureumterra]

I was right, Steyer pretty much restarted the whole slavery reparations debate

Stupid thing to debate but at least Steyer did something relevant

Makes about as much sense as asking the Danes to pay reparations to me

[Ethel mermania]

Even if you are right aboutbhim still believing in stop and frisk, I dont think that matters for two reasons.

1. PD is local, the feds really dont tell local PD how to police (court orders are the exception)

2. Even if he could, he isnt going to waste time and money dealing with that sort of local issue.

What he will spend a ton of money on is gun control. He had been big on gun control since his first term as mayor.

Maybe he wouldn't actually enact national stop and frisk, but he pretty clearly believes in giving more power to the police, civil rights be damned. Not a great look for someone who'd have control of a much bigger personal army than the NYPD.

Army in this country does not do any policing, so I am not sure how that applies. I think you are over estimating national power in what is considered local affairs.

[Loben The 2nd]

Maybe he wouldn't actually enact national stop and frisk, but he pretty clearly believes in giving more power to the police, civil rights be damned. Not a great look for someone who'd have control of a much bigger personal army than the NYPD.

Army in this country does not do any policing, so I am not sure how that applies. I think you are over estimating national power in what is considered local affairs.

There are MPs however but they typically police barracks irc.

And hunt down drunken enlisted.

[Ifreann]

Maybe he wouldn't actually enact national stop and frisk, but he pretty clearly believes in giving more power to the police, civil rights be damned. Not a great look for someone who'd have control of a much bigger personal army than the NYPD.

Army in this country does not do any policing, so I am not sure how that applies.

I was thinking the alphabet agencies.

I think you are over estimating national power in what is considered local affairs.

Bloomberg thinks that the NSA is reading every email and listening to every phone conversation and thinks that that's good. What are we to believe he would do, given that, if he were in charge of the NSA and CIA and FBI and ICE and CBP and ATF, etc, usw? And you may say that the feds don't patrol the streets of America's towns and cities, but under Bloomberg the NYPD operated not only outside New York City and state, but outside America, spying on and infiltrating protest groups, as was pointed out just a few pages back.

[San Lumen]

There were three state legislative specials last night. Democrats won two of the three

Kentucky HD-67. Rachel Roberts held this seat for the Democrats outperforming the 2018 margin in this Cincinnati suburbs based seat. The incumbent resigned to take a position with Governor Beshear's cabinet

Kentucky HD-99: Richard White flipped this rural district containing Rowan, Elliot and Lewis counties by about ten points. This isnt a shock given the rural nature of the district. The incumbent resigned to take a position with the Governor

PA HD-190: G. Roni Green overwhelmingly won this Philadelphia based district after the incumbent resigned due to an indictment for fraud.

[Shrillland]

Meanwhile, down ballot in Congress, Chris Taylor, a GOP contender who was running for Flagstaff and the Nations(Arizona's 1st), has suspended his campaign after he OD'd on heroin: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2020/02/24/arizona-congressional-candidate-chris-taylor-safford-councilman-suspends-campaign-after-overdose/4858124002/

[Ethel mermania]

Army in this country does not do any policing, so I am not sure how that applies.

I was thinking the alphabet agencies.

I think you are over estimating national power in what is considered local affairs.

Bloomberg thinks that the NSA is reading every email and listening to every phone conversation and thinks that that's good. What are we to believe he would do, given that, if he were in charge of the NSA and CIA and FBI and ICE and CBP and ATF, etc, usw? And you may say that the feds don't patrol the streets of America's towns and cities, but under Bloomberg the NYPD operated not only outside New York City and state, but outside America, spying on and infiltrating protest groups, as was pointed out just a few pages back.

NYPD has always had a foreign intelligence unit, and yes it was beefed up after 9/11, but based on the events of that day and subsequent terrorist threats and bombings of NYC, I dont have much of an issue with that.

[San Lumen]

Meanwhile, down ballot in Congress, Chris Taylor, a GOP contender who was running for Flagstaff and the Nations(Arizona's 1st), has suspended his campaign after he OD'd on heroin: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2020/02/24/arizona-congressional-candidate-chris-taylor-safford-councilman-suspends-campaign-after-overdose/4858124002/

how awful. I hope he gets the treatment he needs and can overcome his addiction

[Gormwood]

Meanwhile, down ballot in Congress, Chris Taylor, a GOP contender who was running for Flagstaff and the Nations(Arizona's 1st), has suspended his campaign after he OD'd on heroin: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2020/02/24/arizona-congressional-candidate-chris-taylor-safford-councilman-suspends-campaign-after-overdose/4858124002/

Heroin's an opiate, right?

[Ifreann]

I was thinking the alphabet agencies.

Bloomberg thinks that the NSA is reading every email and listening to every phone conversation and thinks that that's good. What are we to believe he would do, given that, if he were in charge of the NSA and CIA and FBI and ICE and CBP and ATF, etc, usw? And you may say that the feds don't patrol the streets of America's towns and cities, but under Bloomberg the NYPD operated not only outside New York City and state, but outside America, spying on and infiltrating protest groups, as was pointed out just a few pages back.

NYPD has always had a foreign intelligence unit, and yes it was beefed up after 9/11, but based on the events of that day and subsequent terrorist threats and bombings of NYC, I dont have much of an issue with that.

And if Bloomberg is happy to send the NYPD to spy on people all over the world in order to suppress entirely legal protests against Bush and the Republican convention in New York, what's he going to do with federal intelligence agencies and federal law enforcement?

[Ifreann]

Meanwhile, down ballot in Congress, Chris Taylor, a GOP contender who was running for Flagstaff and the Nations(Arizona's 1st), has suspended his campaign after he OD'd on heroin: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2020/02/24/arizona-congressional-candidate-chris-taylor-safford-councilman-suspends-campaign-after-overdose/4858124002/

Heroin's an opiate, right?

That's a bingo.

[Gormwood]

Heroin's an opiate, right?

That's a bingo.

Opiates and liberal salt, the Republican drugs of choice.

[Valrifell]

That's a bingo.

Opiates and liberal salt, the Republican drugs of choice.

Gotta have your zingers be accurate to the pharmaceutical classifications of heroin.

[Jerzylvania]

That's a bingo.

Opiates and liberal salt, the Republican drugs of choice.

Another GOP candidate's brain just turned into an egg in a frying pan, eh? I thought old Saint Reagan toldd these people to say... NO! Well, I always thought it sounded like a D.A.R.E.

[Ethel mermania]

NYPD has always had a foreign intelligence unit, and yes it was beefed up after 9/11, but based on the events of that day and subsequent terrorist threats and bombings of NYC, I dont have much of an issue with that.

And if Bloomberg is happy to send the NYPD to spy on people all over the world in order to suppress entirely legal protests against Bush and the Republican convention in New York, what's he going to do with federal intelligence agencies and federal law enforcement?

They sent them to get heads up on more bombings in NYC, which has happened. Local protests were not handled by counter-terrorism.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

It is fluid and unpredictable. However, I'll predict Biden wins SC Primary now that he has earned Rep. James Clyburn's powerful endorsement. So Joe Biden wins it, Bernie gets a respectable second then Steyer, Pete, Liz and Amy.

Hopefully it leads to anyone but Bernie winning a majority of delegates on Tuesday

You would much rather Bloomberg than Sanders?

[San Lumen]

https://wsvn.com/news/local/wilton-mano ... ies-at-41/

In other sad political news Winton Manors, Florida mayor Justin Flippen died of a brain aneurysm on his way to a city council meeting. He presided over a all LGBT city council and was himself openly gay. Winton Manors is only the second US city to have ever elected a openly gay mayor and all LGBT city council.

[San Lumen]

Hopefully it leads to anyone but Bernie winning a majority of delegates on Tuesday

You would much rather Bloomberg than Sanders?

Yes