2020 US General Election Thread V: Pandemic Postpones Polls

[Aclion]

Long term I don't think it matters. As Bloomberg's campaigns have shown you can't effect political change by simply throwing money at it.

And he won the mayors race in NYC 3 times, why?

Should have been explicit that I was referring to political change outside of influencing democrats.

[Sougra]

This should solidify Biden's win in SC.

Knowing Biden, he'll say some more stupid crap and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like he always does

I really don't know why anyone is supporting Biden or bloomberg at this point. I can understand why they would vote for Warren or buttigieg or Klobuchar, but I really can't wrap my head around what would make someone vote for the architect of stop and frisk, or a senile old man who doesn't even remember what he's running for. Clyburn can't even see how stupid the idea of a Biden presidency is at this point in time.

There's plenty of reason to support Biden and Bloomberg, I just the latter's arguments are far less legitimate.

When it comes to Biden, it's that he can get stuff done, he's a moderate, so he'll appeal to some of the Never Trump Republicans, has a lot of experience, he's not divisive, has a lot of minority support, is known by world leaders, is well liked by most people, and lots of nostalgia for the Obama years. All generally understandable and legitimate, regardless of his many gaffes, personal issues, and political stances.

Bloomberg it's that he's a moderate, has experience in NYC, has a lot of money, and has a technocratic message. Those are all fine on their own, the issue is that Bloomberg is in the completely wrong era of politics to run in, and that his money, according to him, will support whoever the nominee is, so those billions of dollars in his favour from an election perspective is rendered moot then. And that's not getting into all the bad stuff about him, which would take ages to do, and I'm not even that well versed in him and his problems.

[Ifreann]

This should solidify Biden's win in SC.

Knowing Biden, he'll say some more stupid crap and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like he always does

I really don't know why anyone is supporting Biden or bloomberg at this point. I can understand why they would vote for Warren or buttigieg or Klobuchar, but I really can't wrap my head around what would make someone vote for the architect of stop and frisk, or a senile old man who doesn't even remember what he's running for. Clyburn can't even see how stupid the idea of a Biden presidency is at this point in time.

Biden is seemingly running just because he wants to beat Trump. If Trump had been removed from office and President Pence was running, Biden wouldn't be. I bet Biden would drop out in exchange for the Secret Service letting him publicly shave Trump's head like Trump did to Vince McMahon. And I think that that's the entire basis for his support, the feeling that he could beat Trump. I don't think that anyone really wants Biden to be president, they just want Trump not to be.

This is true to a lesser degree, I believe, for Bloomberg. But where Biden only wants to win to stick it to Trump, Bloomberg wants to win for that and also to stop Sanders from raising his taxes, like that Starbucks guy who was threatening to run for a while.

[Sougra]

Personally, I expect Florida to be red for a while. I know it's a swing state and all, but I feel like it's getting much more red now. And personally, I doubt Sanders would've gotten the older Cuban vote. He just solidified that. What matters is where the other Cubans go, because the vast majority, regardless of where they are on the political spectrum, generally detest Castro.

However, in terms of the House, I do see the Dems concerns. In red states, there's definitely a chance of the Dems getting destroyed there, even if they pick up seats from other areas instead, such as those who like the populist economics of Sanders.

But, if I may, who are you planning to vote for in 2020?

Probably nobody, or if I do it'll be third party. I live in such a blue state my vote doesn't matter in the slightest. Though I would vote Trump solely out of spite if Bloomberg got the nomination, cuz fuck him.

Got ya. That makes sense to me.

As far as I can tell, you seem to be a Republican. What do you think of Weld, even if we all know he won't win against Trump?

[Sougra]

Knowing Biden, he'll say some more stupid crap and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like he always does

I really don't know why anyone is supporting Biden or bloomberg at this point. I can understand why they would vote for Warren or buttigieg or Klobuchar, but I really can't wrap my head around what would make someone vote for the architect of stop and frisk, or a senile old man who doesn't even remember what he's running for. Clyburn can't even see how stupid the idea of a Biden presidency is at this point in time.

Biden is seemingly running just because he wants to beat Trump. If Trump had been removed from office and President Pence was running, Biden wouldn't be. I bet Biden would drop out in exchange for the Secret Service letting him publicly shave Trump's head like Trump did to Vince McMahon. And I think that that's the entire basis for his support, the feeling that he could beat Trump. I don't think that anyone really wants Biden to be president, they just want Trump not to be.

This is true to a lesser degree, I believe, for Bloomberg. But where Biden only wants to win to stick it to Trump, Bloomberg wants to win for that and also to stop Sanders from raising his taxes, like that Starbucks guy who was threatening to run for a while.

Hey, at least Schultz actually has a somewhat left-leaning track record in regards to his company, even if he's a moderate. Of course, I don't think he'd be a good President.

[United States of Devonta]

Knowing Biden, he'll say some more stupid crap and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like he always does

I really don't know why anyone is supporting Biden or bloomberg at this point. I can understand why they would vote for Warren or buttigieg or Klobuchar, but I really can't wrap my head around what would make someone vote for the architect of stop and frisk, or a senile old man who doesn't even remember what he's running for. Clyburn can't even see how stupid the idea of a Biden presidency is at this point in time.

No doubt he will but him staying in the race will help Sanders in terms of keeping the moderates split, as long as they remain split. I still peg Sanders to win the nomination as he leads big in California and his neck and neck with Biden in Texas. Biden will always have the old guard backing him: that's how politics work.

The media will push the Biden "come back kid" narrative if he wins SC (even if he's been ordained to win it since he's announced).

Super Tuesday will be the defining moment in this primary, Biden still has a real shot.

[Rojava Free State]

Knowing Biden, he'll say some more stupid crap and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like he always does

I really don't know why anyone is supporting Biden or bloomberg at this point. I can understand why they would vote for Warren or buttigieg or Klobuchar, but I really can't wrap my head around what would make someone vote for the architect of stop and frisk, or a senile old man who doesn't even remember what he's running for. Clyburn can't even see how stupid the idea of a Biden presidency is at this point in time.

Biden is seemingly running just because he wants to beat Trump. If Trump had been removed from office and President Pence was running, Biden wouldn't be. I bet Biden would drop out in exchange for the Secret Service letting him publicly shave Trump's head like Trump did to Vince McMahon. And I think that that's the entire basis for his support, the feeling that he could beat Trump. I don't think that anyone really wants Biden to be president, they just want Trump not to be.

This is true to a lesser degree, I believe, for Bloomberg. But where Biden only wants to win to stick it to Trump, Bloomberg wants to win for that and also to stop Sanders from raising his taxes, like that Starbucks guy who was threatening to run for a while.

I understand why they're running but I can't understand why anyone besides some corporate wall street types would vote for either, or why anyone would vote for Biden when it's clear he's losing his marbles. Biden really wants to take a shit on Trump, but while I'm no fan of America's most i have notorious cyberbully, Biden would likely get his ass kicked at a Trump debate. I can imagine Trump saying "do you even know what year it is?" And Biden saying "yeah it's 1979, there was a song on the radio this morning with that name. "

[Ethel mermania]

And he won the mayors race in NYC 3 times, why?

Should have been explicit that I was referring to political change outside of influencing democrats.

In nyc it's much cheaper to buy the republicans than the democrats, he won as a Republican. But if he needed democratic votes, the Bloomberg foundation would drop a couple million in that councilman's district in a pet cause that councilperson desires, to get their vote.

[Rojava Free State]

Should have been explicit that I was referring to political change outside of influencing democrats.

In nyc it's much cheaper to buy the republicans than the democrats, he won as a Republican. But if he needed democratic votes, the Bloomberg foundation would drop a couple million in that councilman's district in a pet cause that councilperson desires, to get their vote.

I don't know what's a scarier thought. An America where bloomberg pays people to support his stop and frisk policies or one where trump is like "say I'm right or I'll use this guillotine to cut off 60% of your body"

Why is this a legit possibility at all? Bloomberg vs trump.

[Ethel mermania]

Knowing Biden, he'll say some more stupid crap and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like he always does

I really don't know why anyone is supporting Biden or bloomberg at this point. I can understand why they would vote for Warren or buttigieg or Klobuchar, but I really can't wrap my head around what would make someone vote for the architect of stop and frisk, or a senile old man who doesn't even remember what he's running for. Clyburn can't even see how stupid the idea of a Biden presidency is at this point in time.

Biden is seemingly running just because he wants to beat Trump. If Trump had been removed from office and President Pence was running, Biden wouldn't be. I bet Biden would drop out in exchange for the Secret Service letting him publicly shave Trump's head like Trump did to Vince McMahon. And I think that that's the entire basis for his support, the feeling that he could beat Trump. I don't think that anyone really wants Biden to be president, they just want Trump not to be.

This is true to a lesser degree, I believe, for Bloomberg. But where Biden only wants to win to stick it to Trump, Bloomberg wants to win for that and also to stop Sanders from raising his taxes, like that Starbucks guy who was threatening to run for a while.

Bloomberg will raise his own taxes, but you are right, he is running against trump and sanders.

[Gormwood]

Oh and I seem to recall Trump getting nailed for blockade running the Embargo to do business in Cuba. Strange how the exile community don't remember or think it's such a big deal compared to what Sanders said

Source and yeah, Obama said the same things.

HOW DONALD TRUMP'S COMPANY VIOLATED THE UNITED STATES EMBARGO AGAINST CUBA

[The Emerald Legion]

In nyc it's much cheaper to buy the republicans than the democrats, he won as a Republican. But if he needed democratic votes, the Bloomberg foundation would drop a couple million in that councilman's district in a pet cause that councilperson desires, to get their vote.

I don't know what's a scarier thought. An America where bloomberg pays people to support his stop and frisk policies or one where trump is like "say I'm right or I'll use this guillotine to cut off 60% of your body"

Why is this a legit possibility at all? Bloomberg vs trump.

Because you are incredibly unlucky?

[Sodoran Alesia]

So what comes to mind when someone says the phrase "revolutionary politics of the 1960s" ?

Various extreme left organizations and groups.

Alright, that's fair, I should have clarified it within the context of Buttigieg's comparison with the "social order of the 50s" I think that quite broadens what falls under said revolutionary politics and can gives more credence to civil rights and gay liberation falling under that interpretation.

[Zurkerx]

No doubt he will but him staying in the race will help Sanders in terms of keeping the moderates split, as long as they remain split. I still peg Sanders to win the nomination as he leads big in California and his neck and neck with Biden in Texas. Biden will always have the old guard backing him: that's how politics work.

The media will push the Biden "come back kid" narrative if he wins SC (even if he's been ordained to win it since he's announced).

Super Tuesday will be the defining moment in this primary, Biden still has a real shot.

Nah, Biden is too old to be the "Come Back Kid". Something more is needed to fit his age. But Biden could make it a contested convention if he gets a sizable amount of Delegates matched to Sanders. I don't know, this race is fluid and unpredictable.

[Ethel mermania]

In nyc it's much cheaper to buy the republicans than the democrats, he won as a Republican. But if he needed democratic votes, the Bloomberg foundation would drop a couple million in that councilman's district in a pet cause that councilperson desires, to get their vote.

I don't know what's a scarier thought. An America where bloomberg pays people to support his stop and frisk policies or one where trump is like "say I'm right or I'll use this guillotine to cut off 60% of your body"

Why is this a legit possibility at all? Bloomberg vs trump.

PD is local, and bloomberg has disavowed his stop and frisk policy in the city. If that's your concern about him, dont worry stop and frisk will never be national.

If your issue is Bloomberg's money, well yeah it's a
Legitimate concern. I blame the length of the process for that. I dont remember any debates occurring prior to an election year. All that staffing costs tons of cash. A 2 year campaign which is what the Democrats essentially created will bankrupt candidates by design. The only ones who can survive are the ones who can put their hands on boatloads of money. And I think that is exactly what this years process has shown.

[San Lumen]

The media will push the Biden "come back kid" narrative if he wins SC (even if he's been ordained to win it since he's announced).

Super Tuesday will be the defining moment in this primary, Biden still has a real shot.

Nah, Biden is too old to be the "Come Back Kid". Something more is needed to fit his age. But Biden could make it a contested convention if he gets a sizable amount of Delegates matched to Sanders. I don't know, this race is fluid and unpredictable.

That depends if sanders is denied a majority of states on Super Tuesday. The prospect doesn’t look good

[United States of Devonta]

The media will push the Biden "come back kid" narrative if he wins SC (even if he's been ordained to win it since he's announced).

Super Tuesday will be the defining moment in this primary, Biden still has a real shot.

Nah, Biden is too old to be the "Come Back Kid". Something more is needed to fit his age. But Biden could make it a contested convention if he gets a sizable amount of Delegates matched to Sanders. I don't know, this race is fluid and unpredictable.

I think he will. But if the Democratic party lets the candidate who gets the plurality of delegates, rather it be Bernie or Biden, be beaten out in a contested convention, then the Democratic Party would be torn apart. And Trump will be reelected in 2020.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Probably nobody, or if I do it'll be third party. I live in such a blue state my vote doesn't matter in the slightest. Though I would vote Trump solely out of spite if Bloomberg got the nomination, cuz fuck him.

Got ya. That makes sense to me.

As far as I can tell, you seem to be a Republican. What do you think of Weld, even if we all know he won't win against Trump?

I'm not a Republican by any stretch of the imagination. I find them vaguely more preferable because of personal circumstances but that's about where my sympathies end. I don't like Weld at all, to me represents the very worst of the Republican party. Trump for all his faults at least represents a shift away from failed social conservatism and a move towards a more populist nationalism that I find much more bearable in comparison. If only it had a better helmsman instead of Trumps incompetent ass.

[Ifreann]

You know this because he mentioned those things... or?

So what comes to mind when someone says the phrase "revolutionary politics of the 1960s" ?

That depends who you ask. There does seem to be a belief that MLK won civil rights for black Americans by making a calm and polite argument and engaging in peaceful, non-disruptive protests.

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Nationwide stop and frisk, fun times for all.

PD in the states is local, so he cant even if he wanted too (and he doesnt).

More like 100 dollar a carton cigarettes and no bottles of sugared soda over 20 oz.

If he can buy Congress, he can buy state legislatures.

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I don't know what's a scarier thought. An America where bloomberg pays people to support his stop and frisk policies or one where trump is like "say I'm right or I'll use this guillotine to cut off 60% of your body"

Why is this a legit possibility at all? Bloomberg vs trump.

PD is local, and bloomberg has disavowed his stop and frisk policy in the city. If that's your concern about him, dont worry stop and frisk will never be national.

Bloomberg is disavowing stop-and-frisk now because now it's a liability, and his disavowals make clear that he doesn't actually see anything wrong with the policy.

[Post War America]

Nah, Biden is too old to be the "Come Back Kid". Something more is needed to fit his age. But Biden could make it a contested convention if he gets a sizable amount of Delegates matched to Sanders. I don't know, this race is fluid and unpredictable.

I think he will. But if the Democratic party lets the candidate who gets the plurality of delegates, rather it be Bernie or Biden, be beaten out in a contested convention, then the Democratic Party would be torn apart. And Trump will be reelected in 2020.

Iunno, it seems likely that there will be party infighting even if a candidate were to walk in with the majority of delegates, its almost as if the two-party system is entirely dysfunctional and there should be a move to begin shifting towards proportional representation.

[Sougra]

Got ya. That makes sense to me.

As far as I can tell, you seem to be a Republican. What do you think of Weld, even if we all know he won't win against Trump?

I'm not a Republican by any stretch of the imagination. I find them vaguely more preferable because of personal circumstances but that's about where my sympathies end. I don't like Weld at all, to me represents the very worst of the Republican party. Trump for all his faults at least represents a shift away from failed social conservatism and a move towards a more populist nationalism that I find much more bearable in comparison. If only it had a better helmsman instead of Trumps incompetent ass.

That makes sense to me. I felt like you were kind of one of the more liberal Republicans, in the sense that you supported them more due to key issues, and not due to any general distaste for what those on the left advocate for. And personally, I find Weld to be one of the best parts of the Republican party, considering he's not a social conservative and, to my knowledge, did quite well as Governor. But then again, I also like both right-wing populists and libertarians when I feel like they're good, reasonable people.

I don't mind candidate Trump nearly as much as President Trump. If someone didn't have his history, personality, and was maybe at least somewhat more moderate on immigration and better on climate change, then I'd probably find them to be an alright candidate.

[San Lumen]

I think he will. But if the Democratic party lets the candidate who gets the plurality of delegates, rather it be Bernie or Biden, be beaten out in a contested convention, then the Democratic Party would be torn apart. And Trump will be reelected in 2020.

Iunno, it seems likely that there will be party infighting even if a candidate were to walk in with the majority of delegates, its almost as if the two-party system is entirely dysfunctional and there should be a move to begin shifting towards proportional representation.

Delegates are awarded proportionally and a candidate getting a plurality isn’t entitled to the nomination

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

I was right, Steyer pretty much restarted the whole slavery reparations debate

Stupid thing to debate but at least Steyer did something relevant

[Sougra]

I was right, Steyer pretty much restarted the whole slavery reparations debate

Stupid thing to debate but at least Steyer did something relevant

Where are you getting this from, if I may? I haven't seen anything about that.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

I was right, Steyer pretty much restarted the whole slavery reparations debate

Stupid thing to debate but at least Steyer did something relevant

Where are you getting this from, if I may? I haven't seen anything about that.

Noticing on Reddit and Twitter a lot more