2020 US General Election Thread V: Pandemic Postpones Polls

[Bienenhalde]

I would vote for a third-party candidate before voting for either Trump or Bernie.

Honestly, as long as both neoconservatives and neoliberals are consigned to the dustbin of history I think we win as a species.

Not if they are replaced by something even worse. And aside from being too free market in terms of economic policy, what is really wrong with neoconservatives?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

If I told you Nazi Germany had some of the first anti-smoking programs, would that mean anti-smoking programs are bad?

Of course not. But considering the bad stuff that the Nazis did, you probably shouldn't be praising them just because they had anti-smoking programs.

That's the point. Cuba, Soviet Union and China all had literacy as a high priority, but so does just about every government ever. It's a universal value.

As a non-argument I prefer "Hitler was a vegetarian" as though that discredits vegetarians.

[Bienenhalde]

CNN really trying desperately to appeal to people with proclivities for fiscal responsibility. LOL!

Which is funny since nobody asks how we're gonna pay for wars. And the fact that Trump's lovely tax cut for the wealthy has murdered the deficit. Republicans continuing the trend of expanding the deficit way more than Democrats, so sad.

So you are saying we should allow terrorists to attack us and not fight back because it will save us money?

[United States of Devonta]

Of course not. But considering the bad stuff that the Nazis did, you probably shouldn't be praising them just because they had anti-smoking programs.

That's the point. Cuba, Soviet Union and China all had literacy as a high priority, but so does just about every government ever. It's a universal value.

As a non-argument I prefer "Hitler was a vegetarian" as though that discredits vegetarians.

Some countries benefit from poor uneducated populaces or believe they do.

[United States of Devonta]

Which is funny since nobody asks how we're gonna pay for wars. And the fact that Trump's lovely tax cut for the wealthy has murdered the deficit. Republicans continuing the trend of expanding the deficit way more than Democrats, so sad.

So you are saying we should allow terrorists to attack us and not fight back because it will save us money?

The military needed that extra 100 billion to fight terrorist. Nice.

[Evacillian]

I'm going to wait to call it until after Super Tuesday, on the off chance that a debate and Bloomberg's billions might throw a monkey wrench in Bernie's plans for a nationwide sweep, but I pretty much agree with you.

I'll be voting for Sanders, on the theory that he'll almost certainly be as utterly unable to get anything through Congress as Trump has been, and that he lacks Trump's grandiose wish to become America's first homegrown king. Trump is an extinction-level threat to the Republic, and that IMNSHO needs to be dealt with above all else.

Still, I'm not happy with the changes that will result from a Sanders victory. It's going to be a long and lonely road going forward as a centrist, forced to choose between right-wing lunatics and left-wing lunatics in every election. I predict that I'm going to be utterly fucking sick of "woke" politicians, immigrant haters, isolationists, anti-trade zealots, and people who want to tear down this, that, or some other aspect of the system because they're too damned stiff-necked to bend an inch and too damned stupid to imagine the possibilities inherent in reform as opposed to revolution.

Kids these days... I swear, all you whippersnappers know how to do is to wreck things. Serve you right if you find yourselves living among the ruins.

I know this is kinda old (Thread wise) - but man, sometimes I really wish for a like button on here.

[Kowtowannia]

I'm going to wait to call it until after Super Tuesday, on the off chance that a debate and Bloomberg's billions might throw a monkey wrench in Bernie's plans for a nationwide sweep, but I pretty much agree with you.

I'll be voting for Sanders, on the theory that he'll almost certainly be as utterly unable to get anything through Congress as Trump has been, and that he lacks Trump's grandiose wish to become America's first homegrown king. Trump is an extinction-level threat to the Republic, and that IMNSHO needs to be dealt with above all else.

Still, I'm not happy with the changes that will result from a Sanders victory. It's going to be a long and lonely road going forward as a centrist, forced to choose between right-wing lunatics and left-wing lunatics in every election. I predict that I'm going to be utterly fucking sick of "woke" politicians, immigrant haters, isolationists, anti-trade zealots, and people who want to tear down this, that, or some other aspect of the system because they're too damned stiff-necked to bend an inch and too damned stupid to imagine the possibilities inherent in reform as opposed to revolution.

Kids these days... I swear, all you whippersnappers know how to do is to wreck things. Serve you right if you find yourselves living among the ruins.

I know this is kinda old (Thread wise) - but man, sometimes I really wish for a like button on here.

Is this close enough?

[Penguin Union Nation]

So you are saying we should allow terrorists to attack us and not fight back because it will save us money?

Imagine actually believing we're currently fighting terrorists to prevent them from attacking us, and not just feeding the war machine and creating new terrorists every day. Wow.

[Kowtowannia]

Honestly, as long as both neoconservatives and neoliberals are consigned to the dustbin of history I think we win as a species.

Not if they are replaced by something even worse. And aside from being too free market in terms of economic policy, what is really wrong with neoconservatives?

Ok... I was gonna say "boomer" but your sig claims you're 24.

edit: /s, for clarification

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Not if they are replaced by something even worse. And aside from being too free market in terms of economic policy, what is really wrong with neoconservatives?

Ok... I was gonna say "boomer" but your sig claims you're 24.

edit: /s, for clarification

Ok zoomer.

[Kowtowannia]

Ok... I was gonna say "boomer" but your sig claims you're 24.

edit: /s, for clarification

Ok zoomer.

As any good centrist knows, the truth is always in the middle. Why don't we go with borderline Gen Xer/Millennial? :^)

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Ok zoomer.

As any good centrist knows, the truth is always in the middle. Why don't we go with borderline Gen Xer/Millennial? :^)

24 yo is generation Z though, close to Millenial but not in any way Gen X

I have to admit to being a boomer but I'm in the last year (right next to X). So I'll suffer what everyone hates Boomers for, running out of everything. Anyway you can see why I'm not inclined to give anyone else a break for being "nearly" some other generation.

[Kowtowannia]

As any good centrist knows, the truth is always in the middle. Why don't we go with borderline Gen Xer/Millennial? :^)

24 yo is generation Z though, close to Millenial but not in any way Gen X

I have to admit to being a boomer but I'm in the last year (right next to X). So I'll suffer what everyone hates Boomers for, running out of everything. Anyway you can see why I'm not inclined to give anyone else a break for being "nearly" some other generation.

I'm not 24, though? Bien is.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

That's the point. Cuba, Soviet Union and China all had literacy as a high priority, but so does just about every government ever. It's a universal value.

As a non-argument I prefer "Hitler was a vegetarian" as though that discredits vegetarians.

Some countries benefit from poor uneducated populaces or believe they do.

Some countries do a pisspoor job educating kids, but it's generally because they can't afford it (eg spent all the money building the leader's palace), and I can't think of one that doesn't even try. Maybe Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge.

[Kowtowannia]

Some countries benefit from poor uneducated populaces or believe they do.

Some countries do a pisspoor job educating kids, but it's generally because they can't afford it (eg spent all the money building the leader's palace), and I can't think of one that doesn't even try. Maybe Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge.

>eg spent all the money building the leader's palace

El Presidente, are the solid gold toilets in every one of the 23 bathrooms of your palace really necessary?

[Page]

If Sanders wins South Carolina, it is over.

[Penguin Union Nation]

If Sanders wins South Carolina, it is over.

I'm not counting on it. But I think he'll still do well.

[Page]

If Sanders wins South Carolina, it is over.

I'm not counting on it. But I think he'll still do well.

He doesn't need SC but it would be the final nail in the coffin for Biden.

Recent polls show Sanders projected to win all but 2 Super Tuesday states.

[Kruiven]

So you are saying we should allow terrorists to attack us and not fight back because it will save us money?

The military needed that extra 100 billion to fight terrorist. Nice.

100 billion is underselling what they get. Also "fighting back" when we've had thousands killed and wasted so much money for essentially nothing. The Middle East is always going to be like a game of whack-a-mole.

[Stylan]

Interesting fact I learned today.
Most of Bernie's funding comes from the US Government.
https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presid ... =N00000528

[Kowtowannia]

Interesting fact I learned today.
Most of Bernie's funding comes from the US Government.
https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presid ... =N00000528

University of California: $297,781
Alphabet Inc: $296,622
Amazon.com: $212,872
Microsoft Corp: $165,590
US Postal Service: $146,826
Apple Inc: $145,204
City of New York, NY: $131,306
Kaiser Permanente: $119,757
AT&T Inc: $103,864

[Heloin]

Interesting fact I learned today.
Most of Bernie's funding comes from the US Government.
https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presid ... =N00000528

This table lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2020 cycle. The money came from the organizations' PACs; their individual members, employees or owners; and those individuals' immediate families. At the federal level, the organizations themselves did not donate, as they are prohibited by law from doing so. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.

[Stylan]

Interesting fact I learned today.
Most of Bernie's funding comes from the US Government.
https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presid ... =N00000528

University of California: $297,781
Alphabet Inc: $296,622
Amazon.com: $212,872
Microsoft Corp: $165,590
US Postal Service: $146,826
Apple Inc: $145,204
City of New York, NY: $131,306
Kaiser Permanente: $119,757
AT&T Inc: $103,864

Fair enough. Still a large portion came from the US government.

[Blargoblarg]

If Sanders wins South Carolina, it is over.

I think he has a very good chance to win SC, but even after that I'm gonna wait until after Sanders wins a bunch of Super Tuesday states before I assume he's gonna win the entire primary. Plus I'm worried that if he doesn't get over 50% of pledged delegates the Democratic establishment will try to stop him at the convention.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

University of California: $297,781
Alphabet Inc: $296,622
Amazon.com: $212,872
Microsoft Corp: $165,590
US Postal Service: $146,826
Apple Inc: $145,204
City of New York, NY: $131,306
Kaiser Permanente: $119,757
AT&T Inc: $103,864

Fair enough. Still a large portion came from the US government.

Employees of. You don't for a moment think Trump's government is making donations?