2020 US General Election Thread V: Pandemic Postpones Polls

[San Lumen]

For their own laws, not federal laws. In any case, since the Senate is elected by the people of the states, it is voting for what the people want, the people of the states in question.

That's what the House of Representatives is for, I find giving individual states a veto over the House an unacceptable check on democracy.

The senate was originally not elected directly it was chosen by state legislatures. It was based on the House of Lords in the UK. The 17th amendment changed that

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The House of Representatives should be proportional and allow other parties to get through like the Bundestag and surely, the way the Senate is continuing to block legislation, their should be demands to abolish the Senate and presidency.

Nothing is stopping people from voting for other parties right now.

Yes, vote splitting prevents almost everyone from voting the party they most like. Until that party gets to a third (ish) which never happens, their vote is wasted and NO representatives for them are elected.

and replace it with what?

Not endorsing Parti Ouvrier's idea, but replacing the Senate and Presidency with NOTHING is an option. It's called unicameralism.

EDIT: Not entirely opposed either. I'd keep the Presidency but abolish the Senate.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

A means to veto what the people want. States can have their own legislatures, as I believe they do have right now, a Senate in that case is superfluous.

For their own laws, not federal laws. In any case, since the Senate is elected by the people of the states, it is voting for what the people want, the people of the states in question.

But not in any way one-person-one-vote. Voters in small states are hugely over-represented in the Senate.

[Shrillland]

For their own laws, not federal laws. In any case, since the Senate is elected by the people of the states, it is voting for what the people want, the people of the states in question.

But not in any way one-person-one-vote. Voters in small states are hugely over-represented in the Senate.

It was never meant to be one-person one-vote there anyway. It's one-state one-vote, meant to show that all the states are sovereign and equal regardless of size.

[Kruiven]

and the stupid system we have.

Irrelevant. You go into an election with the system you have, no the system you wish you had.

Likely would've been a different outcome had she not maintained awful trade stances or had she spent more than .3 days campaigning in the blue wall.

[Kruiven]

For their own laws, not federal laws. In any case, since the Senate is elected by the people of the states, it is voting for what the people want, the people of the states in question.

That's what the House of Representatives is for, I find giving individual states a veto over the House an unacceptable check on democracy.

Senate is an ungodly body that shouldn't exist anyway. Small states get the benefit of the Senate and the Electoral College while the big states only get the House.

[San Lumen]

That's what the House of Representatives is for, I find giving individual states a veto over the House an unacceptable check on democracy.

Senate is an ungodly body that shouldn't exist anyway. Small states get the benefit of the Senate and the Electoral College while the big states only get the House.

and what would your reform be?

[Hakons]

That's what the House of Representatives is for, I find giving individual states a veto over the House an unacceptable check on democracy.

Senate is an ungodly body that shouldn't exist anyway. Small states get the benefit of the Senate and the Electoral College while the big states only get the House.

"We both have two senators, can you believe it! All I got out of it was fifty-three representatives!"

[Washington Resistance Army]

Looks like Trumps approval rating has risen 2ish percent over the past 10ish days according to 538. If the Senate does actually quit being a useless bunch of traitors and actually pass something it'll be interesting to see the polling impact it would have.

[San Lumen]

Looks like Trumps approval rating has risen 2ish percent over the past 10ish days according to 538. If the Senate does actually quit being a useless bunch of traitors and actually pass something it'll be interesting to see the polling impact it would have.

I still believe he is getting reelected. I called it over a year ago and stand by that prediction

[Mirial Magna]

Looks like Trumps approval rating has risen 2ish percent over the past 10ish days according to 538. If the Senate does actually quit being a useless bunch of traitors and actually pass something it'll be interesting to see the polling impact it would have.

I still believe he is getting reelected. I called it over a year ago and stand by that prediction

He's definitely getting reelected now that he's started taking on leftist economic positions and actually closed some borders.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I still believe he is getting reelected. I called it over a year ago and stand by that prediction

He's definitely getting reelected now that he's started taking on leftist economic positions and actually closed some borders.

Honestly if the GOP adopted left wing economics in general while still keeping to right wing social and cultural views I feel like they'd be perfectly in touch with the average American. I doubt it'll happen for a while because the Pauls and co. of the party would rant and rave about it, but it'd be a winning strategy.

[Cisairse]

For their own laws, not federal laws. In any case, since the Senate is elected by the people of the states, it is voting for what the people want, the people of the states in question.

That's what the House of Representatives is for, I find giving individual states a veto over the House an unacceptable check on democracy.

The Senate is no more an expression of the will of individual states than the House is. Both chambers are selected by state.

[Cisairse]

For their own laws, not federal laws. In any case, since the Senate is elected by the people of the states, it is voting for what the people want, the people of the states in question.

But not in any way one-person-one-vote. Voters in small states are hugely over-represented in the Senate.

And House.

[Cisairse]

He's definitely getting reelected now that he's started taking on leftist economic positions and actually closed some borders.

Honestly if the GOP adopted left wing economics in general while still keeping to right wing social and cultural views I feel like they'd be perfectly in touch with the average American. I doubt it'll happen for a while because the Pauls and co. of the party would rant and rave about it, but it'd be a winning strategy.

That's pretty much exactly what they were pre-Tea Party. Dems were a lot more centrist then, though. Occupy swung the Dems left (see Elizabeth's Warren ride to election to the senate as a direct result of the financial crisis), and the Tea Party bulled the GOP to the batshit insane right almost coterminously.

The flaw with your thinking is that in reality most uneducated poor whites who make up the GOP's base don't actually have any real values, they just agree with whatever FOX News tells them. The GOP could literally make up any platform at all as long as they didn't go back on being anti-abortion and their masses would follow them.

[Aureumterra]

Looks like Trumps approval rating has risen 2ish percent over the past 10ish days according to 538. If the Senate does actually quit being a useless bunch of traitors and actually pass something it'll be interesting to see the polling impact it would have.

I still believe he is getting reelected. I called it over a year ago and stand by that prediction

I mean, incumbents usually get reelected, running a campaign against an incumbent is always an uphill battle. Elections after the end of the second term are usually more decisive

[Aclion]

That's what the House of Representatives is for, I find giving individual states a veto over the House an unacceptable check on democracy.

Senate is an ungodly body that shouldn't exist anyway. Small states get the benefit of the Senate and the Electoral College while the big states only get the House.

Actually the electoral collage is a compromise between the two. The whole point is so that neither the interests of small or large states dominate federal politics.

He's definitely getting reelected now that he's started taking on leftist economic positions and actually closed some borders.

Honestly if the GOP adopted left wing economics in general while still keeping to right wing social and cultural views I feel like they'd be perfectly in touch with the average American. I doubt it'll happen for a while because the Pauls and co. of the party would rant and rave about it, but it'd be a winning strategy.

If the GOP adopted left wing economics while keeping right wing social and cultural views they'd be totalitarians.

[Aureumterra]

That's what the House of Representatives is for, I find giving individual states a veto over the House an unacceptable check on democracy.

Senate is an ungodly body that shouldn't exist anyway. Small states get the benefit of the Senate and the Electoral College while the big states only get the House.

The Senate is the main body preventing America from becoming Panem

Middle America slaving away to the whims of the coastal elite is akin to the districts and the capitol

[Mirial Magna]

The flaw with your thinking is that in reality most uneducated poor whites who make up the GOP's base don't actually have any real values, they just agree with whatever FOX News tells them. The GOP could literally make up any platform at all as long as they didn't go back on being anti-abortion and their masses would follow them.

Your dismissal of working men and women as brainwashed rubes who "don't actually have any real values" is the biggest problem with neoliberalism. Personal attacks against voters on the other side of the aisle keep the plutocrats in power because they prevent the workers of this part of the world, at least, from uniting. Now if you want to keep the plutocrats in power, it is your right to think that way. But please, for future reference, be honest about your political goals.

[Cisairse]

Senate is an ungodly body that shouldn't exist anyway. Small states get the benefit of the Senate and the Electoral College while the big states only get the House.

Actually the electoral collage is a compromise between the two. The whole point is so that neither the interests of small or large states dominate federal politics.

How is a compromise which balances the biases of the House (which is biased towards small states) and the biases of the Senate (which is biased towards small states) not biased towards small states?

[Aureumterra]

He's definitely getting reelected now that he's started taking on leftist economic positions and actually closed some borders.

Honestly if the GOP adopted left wing economics in general while still keeping to right wing social and cultural views I feel like they'd be perfectly in touch with the average American. I doubt it'll happen for a while because the Pauls and co. of the party would rant and rave about it, but it'd be a winning strategy.

So fascistic beliefs? No thanks

[Mirial Magna]

Honestly if the GOP adopted left wing economics in general while still keeping to right wing social and cultural views I feel like they'd be perfectly in touch with the average American. I doubt it'll happen for a while because the Pauls and co. of the party would rant and rave about it, but it'd be a winning strategy.

So fascistic beleifs? No thanks

More CDU than NSDAP, really.

[San Lumen]

The flaw with your thinking is that in reality most uneducated poor whites who make up the GOP's base don't actually have any real values, they just agree with whatever FOX News tells them. The GOP could literally make up any platform at all as long as they didn't go back on being anti-abortion and their masses would follow them.

Your dismissal of working men and women as brainwashed rubes who "don't actually have any real values" is the biggest problem with neoliberalism. Personal attacks against voters on the other side of the aisle keep the plutocrats in power because they prevent the workers of this part of the world, at least, from uniting. Now if you want to keep the plutocrats in power, it is your right to think that way. But please, for future reference, be honest about your political goals.

I love when people use generalization and don't define said terms

[Aureumterra]

So fascistic beleifs? No thanks

More CDU than NSDAP, really.

The GOP already has some pretty nationalistic beliefs, but the libertarian wing of the party is preventing it from becoming basically an American fascist party

[Mirial Magna]

More CDU than NSDAP, really.

The GOP already has some pretty nationalistic beliefs, but the libertarian wing of the party is preventing it from becoming basically an American fascist party

I mean, I don't see why they would have to give up their belief in representative, decentralized democracy in order to advocate for universal healthcare and other such things.