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Are You Worried About Covid-19 Cancelling or Postponing Your Election?

Yes
33
24%
No
61
44%
Covid? Just A Chinese-Lizard People-Naked Mole Rat Conspiracy!
8
6%
I, For One, Welcome/Write-In Our New Corona Overlords.
38
27%
 
Total votes : 140

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Postby Talvezout » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:32 pm

I genuinely wonder if 2020 is gonna turn out to be a 2008-style election

The current party in power loses the Senate and presidency while the minority party wins more seats in the house as governors get tossed out left and right

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:33 pm

Diopolis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That's not a thing nor should it be. Why should land area matter more than votes?

Why should votes matter? They're just a way to keep track of things.


why shouldnt they? Why should having a large ranch or farm mean your vote counts more?

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:34 pm

Talvezout wrote:I genuinely wonder if 2020 is gonna turn out to be a 2008-style election

The current party in power loses the Senate and presidency while the minority party wins more seats in the house as governors get tossed out left and right

I hope that is so. There are only 14 governor elections this year though and the only ones that could flip are Vermont and New Hampshire. Missouri is possible

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Postby Diopolis » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:34 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Why should votes matter? They're just a way to keep track of things.


why shouldnt they? Why should having a large ranch or farm mean your vote counts more?

We have to assign voting rights somehow.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:34 pm

Diopolis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
why shouldnt they? Why should having a large ranch or farm mean your vote counts more?

We have to assign voting rights somehow.

and you assign it by one person one vote. In doesnt count more because you have a farm

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Postby Telconi » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Diopolis wrote:We have to assign voting rights somehow.

and you assign it by one person one vote. In doesnt count more because you have a farm


That sounds foolish.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:36 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and you assign it by one person one vote. In doesnt count more because you have a farm


That sounds foolish.

You have a better idea other than what you have said in the past?
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:36 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Diopolis wrote:We have to assign voting rights somehow.

and you assign it by one person one vote. In doesnt count more because you have a farm

Farmers should get more votes instead of getting farm subsidies.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:37 pm

Diopolis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and you assign it by one person one vote. In doesnt count more because you have a farm

Farmers should get more votes instead of getting farm subsidies.


Again I ask why?

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Postby Talvezout » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Talvezout wrote:I genuinely wonder if 2020 is gonna turn out to be a 2008-style election

The current party in power loses the Senate and presidency while the minority party wins more seats in the house as governors get tossed out left and right

I hope that is so. There are only 14 governor elections this year though and the only ones that could flip are Vermont and New Hampshire. Missouri is possible


West Virginia is a massively underrated potential flip - Jim Justice has been consistently unpopular, and Dems have some pretty good candidates running (Stephen Smith, Ben Salanago, Dr. Ron Stollings) Not to mention, West Virginia is one of those states that votes red on a federal level but is open to blue on the state level.

Looking back, I wouldn't be surprised if 2018/2020 was seen as the year when the Southwest/Suburban realignment started happening.

Imagine Dems have Senate seats in Montana, Kansas, Arizona, and Alaska while having none in Florida.

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Postby Telconi » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
That sounds foolish.

You have a better idea other than what you have said in the past?


I like Dio's idea.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:38 pm

Talvezout wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I hope that is so. There are only 14 governor elections this year though and the only ones that could flip are Vermont and New Hampshire. Missouri is possible


West Virginia is a massively underrated potential flip - Jim Justice has been consistently unpopular, and Dems have some pretty good candidates running (Stephen Smith, Ben Salanago, Dr. Ron Stollings) Not to mention, West Virginia is one of those states that votes red on a federal level but is open to blue on the state level.

Looking back, I wouldn't be surprised if 2018/2020 was seen as the year when the Southwest/Suburban realignment started happening.

Imagine Dems have Senate seats in Montana, Kansas, Arizona, and Alaska while having none in Florida.


That would be Amazing.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:39 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Why should votes matter? They're just a way to keep track of things.


why shouldnt they? Why should having a large ranch or farm mean your vote counts more?

People starve without farmers, ergo their social value is higher.
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Postby Talvezout » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Talvezout wrote:
West Virginia is a massively underrated potential flip - Jim Justice has been consistently unpopular, and Dems have some pretty good candidates running (Stephen Smith, Ben Salanago, Dr. Ron Stollings) Not to mention, West Virginia is one of those states that votes red on a federal level but is open to blue on the state level.

Looking back, I wouldn't be surprised if 2018/2020 was seen as the year when the Southwest/Suburban realignment started happening.

Imagine Dems have Senate seats in Montana, Kansas, Arizona, and Alaska while having none in Florida.


That would be Amazing.


If you told your average Democrat from 2008 that we would have both senate seats in Arizona and one seat in Kansas, they'd probably assume that all Republicans had died off or something and Dems had won a massive supermajority.

Now it's the path for Dems to barely scrap up 51 seats.

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Postby Telconi » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Farmers should get more votes instead of getting farm subsidies.


Again I ask why?


If they own more of the country they should have a greater say in it's running. More skin in the game so to speak.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:40 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
why shouldnt they? Why should having a large ranch or farm mean your vote counts more?

People starve without farmers, ergo their social value is higher.

Doesn't mean their votes should count more

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Postby Diopolis » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:41 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Farmers should get more votes instead of getting farm subsidies.


Again I ask why?

Food shortages are literally the worst case scenario on a society-wide level, but agricultural subsidies contribute to the obesity epidemic. Therefore I propose a constitutional ammendment that farmers get extra votes in exchange for agricultural subsidies being banned.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:42 pm

Diopolis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Again I ask why?

Food shortages are literally the worst case scenario on a society-wide level, but agricultural subsidies contribute to the obesity epidemic. Therefore I propose a constitutional ammendment that farmers get extra votes in exchange for agricultural subsidies being banned.


And said amendment would be unlikely to ever pass.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:42 pm

Diopolis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Again I ask why?

Food shortages are literally the worst case scenario on a society-wide level, but agricultural subsidies contribute to the obesity epidemic. Therefore I propose a constitutional ammendment that farmers get extra votes in exchange for agricultural subsidies being banned.

I think they'd rather have the cash. I propose that people who can't spell "amendment" get no say in how the Constitution is amended.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:43 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Food shortages are literally the worst case scenario on a society-wide level, but agricultural subsidies contribute to the obesity epidemic. Therefore I propose a constitutional ammendment that farmers get extra votes in exchange for agricultural subsidies being banned.


And said amendment would be unlikely to ever pass.

As would abolishing the EC.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:45 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Food shortages are literally the worst case scenario on a society-wide level, but agricultural subsidies contribute to the obesity epidemic. Therefore I propose a constitutional ammendment that farmers get extra votes in exchange for agricultural subsidies being banned.

I think they'd rather have the cash. I propose that people who can't spell "amendment" get no say in how the Constitution is amended.


Why would you need subsidies when you have highly disproportionate political control?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:46 pm

Diopolis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And said amendment would be unlikely to ever pass.

As would abolishing the EC.


And your point is? We both want something that will not happen. Your idea of farms getting more votes is nuts too
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Postby Talvezout » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:49 pm

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Arizona, North Carolina, and NE-02 narrowly vote Dem. Iowa, Ohio, and Wisconsin all narrowly vote red.


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Trump loses the popular vote hard (like, by almost 5 million votes) but narrowly squeaks out wins in Wisconsin, Florida, and Arizona.


It's gonna be insanely hard for Trump to expand his electoral map beyond what he won in 2016.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:49 pm

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Diopolis wrote:Food shortages are literally the worst case scenario on a society-wide level, but agricultural subsidies contribute to the obesity epidemic. Therefore I propose a constitutional ammendment that farmers get extra votes in exchange for agricultural subsidies being banned.

I think they'd rather have the cash. I propose that people who can't spell "amendment" get no say in how the Constitution is amended.


Expecting them to know a three syllable word? That's just mean.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Diopolis wrote:As would abolishing the EC.


And your point is? We both want something that will not happen. Your idea of farms getting more votes is nuts too


"""Nuts""" ... just imagine...
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