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Are You Worried About Covid-19 Cancelling or Postponing Your Election?

Yes
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24%
No
61
44%
Covid? Just A Chinese-Lizard People-Naked Mole Rat Conspiracy!
8
6%
I, For One, Welcome/Write-In Our New Corona Overlords.
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27%
 
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Postby Kruiven » Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:13 am

Green Party candidate Howie Hawkins offers Bernie Sanders the chance to run in their primary if Biden gets the nomination. I wish he would but he won't.

Meanwhile Biden is going to be holding an online event today after his last one went hilariously awry. Biden's staff doing their routine exercise of reminding the public that Biden does indeed still exist.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:14 am

Kruiven wrote:Green Party candidate Howie Hawkins offers Bernie Sanders the chance to run in their primary if Biden gets the nomination. I wish he would but he won't.

Meanwhile Biden is going to be holding an online event today after his last one went hilariously awry. Biden's staff doing their routine exercise of reminding the public that Biden does indeed still exist.

Bernie's not quite enough of a nut to run for the greens.
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:17 am

Kruiven wrote:Green Party candidate Howie Hawkins offers Bernie Sanders the chance to run in their primary if Biden gets the nomination. I wish he would but he won't.

Meanwhile Biden is going to be holding an online event today after his last one went hilariously awry. Biden's staff doing their routine exercise of reminding the public that Biden does indeed still exist.

Keep in mind the Green Party is home to a good chunk of anti-vaxxers and their 2016 candidate was the most stereotypical anti-vaxxer kern ever

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:35 am

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Kruiven wrote:Sanders unsurprisingly dominated the Democrats Abroad Primary. Sanders 57.9%, Biden 22.7%.

See what happens when it's not rigged?


That post doesn't really do the whole "'anything where Sanders doesn't win is rigged' is a strawman" idea any favours.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:36 am

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Ah, a more realistic prediction finally! It's quite possible this could be how it goes: I do see PA and MI going for Biden given Michigan's Trends and PA's liking of Biden. WI is honestly a toss-up to me so that should lean either red or blue. Otherwise, I agree with everything on here.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:37 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:


tbh I think Trump might take MI because of Bernie voters not falling in line
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:40 am

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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:


tbh I think Trump might take MI because of Bernie voters not falling in line

PA is also probably more competitive for Trump than that map gives it credit for.
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:07 am

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What’s your thoughts on Virginia? Ralph Northam may have indirectly gotten single issue gun voters to go out in droves this November
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:14 am

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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:

What’s your thoughts on Virginia? Ralph Northam may have indirectly gotten single issue gun voters to go out in droves this November


VA is going to be a lot closer than it should be because Northam has been a disaster for the Dems there but I don't think the GOP will be able to take it just because so many Dem voters have moved into NoVa.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:36 am

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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:


tbh I think Trump might take MI because of Bernie voters not falling in line


?

Biden won the primary in MI by hella points, Sanders' appeal with Michiganers seems to have been limited all along.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:38 am

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
tbh I think Trump might take MI because of Bernie voters not falling in line


?

Biden won the primary in MI by hella points, Sanders' appeal with Michiganers seems to have been limited all along.


He did, but if a bunch of those Bernie voters go third party, stay home or vote Trump it'll badly complicate things for the Biden campaign.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:40 am

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Valrifell wrote:
?

Biden won the primary in MI by hella points, Sanders' appeal with Michiganers seems to have been limited all along.


He did, but if a bunch of those Bernie voters go third party, stay home or vote Trump it'll badly complicate things for the Biden campaign.


Considering that bloc of the party was insubstantial in 2016 and the vast majority of Sanders backers went for Clinton, and considering Biden is at the very least more favorable to less-extreme members of the Sanders bloc, it seems dubious that they would break en masse or in significant numbers.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:52 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
?

Biden won the primary in MI by hella points, Sanders' appeal with Michiganers seems to have been limited all along.


He did, but if a bunch of those Bernie voters go third party, stay home or vote Trump it'll badly complicate things for the Biden campaign.


I know an exit poll asked "Will you vote for the Democratic nominee in the presidential election this November regardless of who it is?", which said 52% wouldn't vote whoever the nominee is, but if you look further at it, you'll see that only 15% of total voters answered "No" to the question; 82% of total voters voted "Yes". So, that 52% is much smaller than you think. As Val even points out:

Valrifell wrote:Considering that bloc of the party was insubstantial in 2016 and the vast majority of Sanders backers went for Clinton, and considering Biden is at the very least more favorable to less-extreme members of the Sanders bloc, it seems dubious that they would break en masse or in significant numbers.


Biden is more likable and is willing to make some compromises. Not to mention, Biden is winning over voters Sanders won the last time around so, Biden is a much stronger candidate. Don't write him off as people have with Trump in 2016.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:55 am

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
He did, but if a bunch of those Bernie voters go third party, stay home or vote Trump it'll badly complicate things for the Biden campaign.


Considering that bloc of the party was insubstantial in 2016 and the vast majority of Sanders backers went for Clinton, and considering Biden is at the very least more favorable to less-extreme members of the Sanders bloc, it seems dubious that they would break en masse or in significant numbers.

Funny how a bunch of internet slacktivists couldn't be bothered to vote for their guy in the primaries but they somehow are easily pissed off enough to vote third party or Trump in the general.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:14 am

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Aureumterra wrote:What’s your thoughts on Virginia? Ralph Northam may have indirectly gotten single issue gun voters to go out in droves this November


VA is going to be a lot closer than it should be because Northam has been a disaster for the Dems there but I don't think the GOP will be able to take it just because so many Dem voters have moved into NoVa.

Northern Virginia is basically just an extension of Washington though, the urban sprawl goes as far as Richmond even, you have a Chicago v Downstate Illinois type situation in Virginia
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:15 am

Idaho might be interesting because so many Californians are moving there
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:17 am

Gormwood wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Considering that bloc of the party was insubstantial in 2016 and the vast majority of Sanders backers went for Clinton, and considering Biden is at the very least more favorable to less-extreme members of the Sanders bloc, it seems dubious that they would break en masse or in significant numbers.

Funny how a bunch of internet slacktivists couldn't be bothered to vote for their guy in the primaries but they somehow are easily pissed off enough to vote third party or Trump in the general.


It seems more likely, to me at least, that these folk aren't "slactivists" they just skew younger and are more predominately online. Whereas much of the voting public is not that.

It doesn't mean they're lazy.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:17 am

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Valrifell wrote:
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Biden won the primary in MI by hella points, Sanders' appeal with Michiganers seems to have been limited all along.


He did, but if a bunch of those Bernie voters go third party, stay home or vote Trump it'll badly complicate things for the Biden campaign.

Biden doesn’t need them when him, being Obama’s veep, ensures black voters come out in droves for him. Hence Michigan and Pennsylvania going blue this time

I don’t see Florida going blue, not only have we taken a sharp rightward turn especially after midterms, but the amount of boomers moving in from Middle America seems to be getting exponentially larger
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:17 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Idaho might be interesting because so many Californians are moving there

Is it like Texas where, contrary to the "commiefornian" stereotype, they tend to be more right wing than average to consider moving here?
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:19 am

Diopolis wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Idaho might be interesting because so many Californians are moving there

Is it like Texas where, contrary to the "commiefornian" stereotype, they tend to be more right wing than average to consider moving here?

Not sure, never been there and know nothing about it except potatoes
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:25 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Is it like Texas where, contrary to the "commiefornian" stereotype, they tend to be more right wing than average to consider moving here?

Not sure, never been there and know nothing about it except potatoes


It's also known for holding what used to be the epicentre of the Neo-Nazi movement in North America, and there's still an unusually high number of such folks in the panhandle and the northwest of the state. Not to mention a lot of preppers, militia types, etc. Not all or even most of course, plenty of them are just traditional conservatives particularly in the Mormon south and east.
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Postby Kruiven » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:13 am

Gormwood wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Considering that bloc of the party was insubstantial in 2016 and the vast majority of Sanders backers went for Clinton, and considering Biden is at the very least more favorable to less-extreme members of the Sanders bloc, it seems dubious that they would break en masse or in significant numbers.

Funny how a bunch of internet slacktivists couldn't be bothered to vote for their guy in the primaries but they somehow are easily pissed off enough to vote third party or Trump in the general.

Funny how they did.
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Postby Kruiven » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:17 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:What’s your thoughts on Virginia? Ralph Northam may have indirectly gotten single issue gun voters to go out in droves this November


VA is going to be a lot closer than it should be because Northam has been a disaster for the Dems there but I don't think the GOP will be able to take it just because so many Dem voters have moved into NoVa.

Nah VA will go Dem regardless and it would've gone Dem in 2016 regardless of Kaine being on the ticket. But Hillary decided she needed someone to compete with her for lack of charisma so she picked Tim Kaine.
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