2020 US General Election Thread V: Pandemic Postpones Polls

[Cisairse]

No, I'm serious. If Joe Biden wins in 2020, I fully expect the Republicans to go full Grover Cleveland and just field Trump again in 2024.

Very unlikely. I think the GOP establishment would try to (unsuccessfully) move itsself away from Trumpism.

If Trump were to run in the primary, I cannot imagine who would defeat him.

[United States of Devonta]

Just throwing in some reality and the reverse of what I've seen from moderate Dems who are throwing a Biden victory party.

Well tbh, that was only after the Sanders victory party fizzled last week.

How the tides turn lol

[Kruiven]

No, I'm serious. If Joe Biden wins in 2020, I fully expect the Republicans to go full Grover Cleveland and just field Trump again in 2024.

Very unlikely. I think the GOP establishment would try to (unsuccessfully) move itsself away from Trumpism.

Doubt it. Republicans know how to win, Dems nominate the same kind of candidate over and over and when eventually one wins they're like "I knew centrism was the way to go!"

[United States of Devonta]

Very unlikely. I think the GOP establishment would try to (unsuccessfully) move itsself away from Trumpism.

If Trump were to run in the primary, I cannot imagine who would defeat him.

Nikki Haley, maybe. Man, she is such a careerist though.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No, I'm serious. If Joe Biden wins in 2020, I fully expect the Republicans to go full Grover Cleveland and just field Trump again in 2024.

Very unlikely. I think the GOP establishment would try to (unsuccessfully) move itsself away from Trumpism.

That would be a mistake imo. A better move for the GOP would be to keep the general beliefs of Trumpism but get a better and more well spoken leader for it. Going back to their Christian conservative roots will just ensure a quick death.

[United States of Devonta]

Very unlikely. I think the GOP establishment would try to (unsuccessfully) move itsself away from Trumpism.

That would be a mistake imo. A better move for the GOP would be to keep the general beliefs of Trumpism but get a better and more well spoken leader for it. Going back to their Christian conservative roots will just ensure a quick death.

A mistake, but one I expect them to make.

[Cisairse]

Very unlikely. I think the GOP establishment would try to (unsuccessfully) move itsself away from Trumpism.

Doubt it. Republicans know how to win, Dems nominate the same kind of candidate over and over and when eventually one wins they're like "I knew centrism was the way to go!"

Tbh you could have said that about 2012 GOP as well. Sen. McCain and Gov. Romney were both middle-of-the-road moderate Republicans with high personal favorability ratings and a national image of being able to work across-the-aisle. And they both lost.

[Kruiven]

Doubt it. Republicans know how to win, Dems nominate the same kind of candidate over and over and when eventually one wins they're like "I knew centrism was the way to go!"

Tbh you could have said that about 2012 GOP as well. Sen. McCain and Gov. Romney were both middle-of-the-road moderate Republicans with high personal favorability ratings and a national image of being able to work across-the-aisle. And they both lost.

The exception to the Dem thing is Obama in 2008. Tons of pundits including James Carville were like "Oh god we just ended this thing. This guy is too far left to win."

[Ifreann]

Trump's whole thing is image management, even back when he was just a real estate guy. But you can't use PR spin to make a virus go away, and when it's spreading all over the country you can't convince people that it's not happening.

but a fair number of people believe everything he says. I saw an interview on CNN with Trump supporters and one of them called the Coronavirus a hoax made up by Democrats to take down Trump because they know they can't win

People will believe that while it's just something they're seeing on the news. Far fewer will believe it when they're seeing the effects of the disease themselves.

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No, I'm serious. If Joe Biden wins in 2020, I fully expect the Republicans to go full Grover Cleveland and just field Trump again in 2024.

78 year old Trump vs. 82 year old Joe Biden in the battle of who doesn't die of stroke first.

By 2024 AOC will be old enough to run. Now that'd be fun.

[Cisairse]

Tbh you could have said that about 2012 GOP as well. Sen. McCain and Gov. Romney were both middle-of-the-road moderate Republicans with high personal favorability ratings and a national image of being able to work across-the-aisle. And they both lost.

The exception to the Dem thing is Obama in 2008. Tons of pundits including James Carville were like "Oh god we just ended this thing. This guy is too far left to win."

I mean I think the exception just holds true in general. Remember when everyone said Bush Jr. was a radical theocrat?

EDIT:
Hell, I still say Bush Jr. is a radical theocrat.

[Pacomia]

Washington primary is tomorrow. I'm glad they switched from the caucus system, otherwise turnout this year might be low.

[Kruiven]

The exception to the Dem thing is Obama in 2008. Tons of pundits including James Carville were like "Oh god we just ended this thing. This guy is too far left to win."

I mean I think the exception just holds true in general. Remember when everyone said Bush Jr. was a radical theocrat?

I don't think so. Last time Dems went with a centrist who was pro-NAFA and TPP, pro-Iraq war, etc. If Biden wins this time Dems are gonna get the wrong idea.

[Zurkerx]

There is a concern that Biden does lack the enthusiasm, but the way the Coronavirus is going and how it's effecting the economy, it won't matter who the nominee is: that economy tanks and Trump is royally fucked. I do agree Biden has a better shot at Florida then Sanders and honestly, this next debate probably won't change much nor do I care about the setting.

Trump's whole thing is image management, even back when he was just a real estate guy. But you can't use PR spin to make a virus go away, and when it's spreading all over the country you can't convince people that it's not happening.

Pretty much though there are quite a few gullible people that have said it is a "hoax" because, well, Trump said so! But yes, he can't spin something he can't control, and that's his biggest weakness: when he loses the narrative. It would be even harder for him to spin it when the economy is faltering.

Donald Trump Jr. 2024

No, I'm serious. If Joe Biden wins in 2020, I fully expect the Republicans to go full Grover Cleveland and just field Trump again in 2024.

That's if he and his family aren't thrown in prison on RICO charges and slew of other charges as well, which I suspect they would announce if he were to lose in 2020.

[Cisairse]

I mean I think the exception just holds true in general. Remember when everyone said Bush Jr. was a radical theocrat?

I don't think so. Last time Dems went with a centrist who was pro-NAFA and TPP, pro-Iraq war, etc. If Biden wins this time Dems are gonna get the wrong idea.

Biden ended the Iraq war.

[Aclion]

The Dems banking solely on not being Trump is a losing proposition imho. Yeah he's a dumbass but if things are going generally alright for people you're gonna need more than "well he's mean" as a reason to win over their vote.

The problem is, many Dem voters think Trump is some beyond-the-pale, once-in-a-lifetime threat to the country, and once he's gone, all will be well again, regardless of who they install in his place. But they're wrong. Putting in somebody who will just return us to the climate that gave us the Trump presidency will be just as bad as if we re-elected him directly. Trump is not unique. There's a million Donald Trumps out there just licking their lips, waiting. If we don't root out the cause of the illness, the symptoms will continue to appear.

Actually from this point of view you'd expect someone even worse. Since Trump is large a response to the democrats treatment of the heartland and enabled by their erosion of norms in politics. That's only gotten worse, so I expect to see people even more trump then Trump in the future.

[Bienenhalde]

Tbh even if Biden does win you're just gonna get another Trump a few years later. Going back to the same old shit won't work. An ever increasing number of people want serious shakeups.

Joe Biden is not stupid or malicious enough to continue making the same mistakes that allowed Trump to rise to power. I am sure he will be making necessary reforms to fix our political and economic systems.

[United States of Devonta]

I don't think so. Last time Dems went with a centrist who was pro-NAFA and TPP, pro-Iraq war, etc. If Biden wins this time Dems are gonna get the wrong idea.

Biden ended the Iraq war.

He also voted for it. Glad he tried to fix his mistake, but a little late after thousands died.

[Kruiven]

Tbh even if Biden does win you're just gonna get another Trump a few years later. Going back to the same old shit won't work. An ever increasing number of people want serious shakeups.

Joe Biden is not stupid or malicious enough to continue making the same mistakes that allowed Trump to rise to power. I am sure he will be making necessary reforms to fix our political and economic systems.

Yeah good joke.

[United States of Devonta]

Tbh even if Biden does win you're just gonna get another Trump a few years later. Going back to the same old shit won't work. An ever increasing number of people want serious shakeups.

Joe Biden is not stupid or malicious enough to continue making the same mistakes that allowed Trump to rise to power. I am sure he will be making necessary reforms to fix our political and economic systems.

Status quo Joe!

[Kruiven]

Biden ended the Iraq war.

He also voted for it. Glad he tried to fix his mistake, but a little late after thousands died.

Yup. Obama anti-Iraq, Hillary pro-Iraq. I wonder what happened to those two.

[United States of Devonta]

He also voted for it. Glad he tried to fix his mistake, but a little late after thousands died.

Yup. Obama anti-Iraq, Hillary pro-Iraq. I wonder what happened to those two.

Obama also was the only person who ran in 2008 who would of been able to catch Osama Bin Laden.

[Cisairse]

Biden ended the Iraq war.

He also voted for it. Glad he tried to fix his mistake, but a little late after thousands died.

Think about how many more thousands would have died if Biden hadn't ended the war. Look at what happened with Afghanistan (where Biden's views against "nation-building" were repeatedly ignored by Obama officials).

[San Lumen]

Washington primary is tomorrow. I'm glad they switched from the caucus system, otherwise turnout this year might be low.

Agreed. Caucuses are a relic from another era

[San Lumen]

Donald Trump Jr. 2024

No, I'm serious. If Joe Biden wins in 2020, I fully expect the Republicans to go full Grover Cleveland and just field Trump again in 2024.

That's if wins the primary. Cleveland is the only President to ever run again after losing reelection

[Pacomia]

No, I'm serious. If Joe Biden wins in 2020, I fully expect the Republicans to go full Grover Cleveland and just field Trump again in 2024.

That's if wins the primary. Cleveland is the only President to ever run again after losing reelection

Weird how more presidents don't do that. Is it shameful?