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What do you choose?

1. No, my religious status is not for sale
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63%
2. No, it's unethical to gamble with my family's entire fortune
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7%
3. I would like to do it but I say No because I don't think it's possible to do one or more of terms 1-5 (ex Belief is not choice)
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13%
4. Yes, and it sounds easy
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11%
5. Yes, even though 1-5 is going to take some serious work
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Total votes : 184

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:49 am

Idzequitch wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
This is correct

Religion can be altered through habits and self-indoctrination

you can see how most people stick to the religions that they were brought up in (though of course, there are exceptions as people move into other communities and become exposed to other ideas)

I believe some of the discomfort with this thread is the result of people not used to/able to accept the idea that it is possible to change religions for a benefit; it doesn't happen much in real life because people want to fit in (that's the main benefit the religion provides and its not insubstantial), typically, one adopts the religious codes and ethos of those around us and that provides a structure

just as someone can continue to stay in one religion when confronted with evidence, so can someone change religion at will if one is willing to put in sufficient effort; religions are not about rationality or evidence, its about choosing to believe

now I will admit though, that if one is surrounded by Christian family members and lives in a non-Islamic community... the process of trying to force oneself to become Islamic may feel too unnatural and obstacle-filled to be practically overcome; it would require an unusually strong mind and determination

whether or not there is a religious community of like-minded people who are welcoming of the process (and perhaps even more importantly, the family aspects) could be a hugely decisive factor. So I would accept the notion that for some, depending on circumstance, they can reliably predict that a conversion wouldn't be possible, even for 5 million.

however, in other cases, its a possibility

There's also the fact that most religions provide/promise a benefit to the follower that the individual may fear to lose. It's a tradeoff in the end. You may gain money, and who knows? Maybe you actually converted to the "right" religion. But by abandoning the faith you have, you risk any consequences you may believe are associated with leaving the faith you currently follow (Purgatory, Hell, bad karma, etc.)


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Postby Sundiata » Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:09 pm

I would never abandon the church for any amount of money.

Or for free.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:19 pm

Sundiata wrote:I would never abandon the church for any amount of money.


Same. I did it for free instead
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Postby An Infinity Gauntlet » Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:20 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Sundiata wrote:I would never abandon the church for any amount of money.


Same. I did it for free instead

Ngl, this was a pretty ALPHA response. I feel the testosterone dripping out of my phone :lol2:
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:35 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Sundiata wrote:I would never abandon the church for any amount of money.


Same. I did it for free instead


This is very interesting

See

If people can do the challenge for free then it follows logically that they can do it for money and in the reverse order too

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Postby Zarmagon » Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:55 pm

5 million dollars? Is this serious? Why not?
Which religion should I choose? because I had none.
I'm open for a contract. Just give me the money!
When should I start? and when do I get the money?

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Postby Neanderthaland » Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:10 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Same. I did it for free instead


This is very interesting

See

If people can do the challenge for free then it follows logically that they can do it for money and in the reverse order too

I mean, if you're immune to nuance it does.
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:56 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Same. I did it for free instead


This is very interesting

See

If people can do the challenge for free then it follows logically that they can do it for money and in the reverse order too

If you can fry an egg for free, then it follows logically that you can do it for money and in reverse order too.
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Postby The Grims » Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:13 am

Alvecia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
This is very interesting

See

If people can do the challenge for free then it follows logically that they can do it for money and in the reverse order too

If you can fry an egg for free, then it follows logically that you can do it for money and in reverse order too.


It is true that many people fry eggs for money on this planet.

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Postby Alvecia » Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:20 am

The Grims wrote:
Alvecia wrote:If you can fry an egg for free, then it follows logically that you can do it for money and in reverse order too.


It is true that many people fry eggs for money on this planet.

I'd be very willing to pay to watch them de-fry it.
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Postby The Grims » Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:27 am

Alvecia wrote:
The Grims wrote:
It is true that many people fry eggs for money on this planet.

I'd be very willing to pay to watch them de-fry it.

I daresay that losing ones faith is easier than defrying. So that comparison is not entirely fair.

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Postby Alvecia » Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:28 am

The Grims wrote:
Alvecia wrote:I'd be very willing to pay to watch them de-fry it.

I daresay that losing ones faith is easier than defrying. So that comparison is not entirely fair.

Comparisons are rarely 1-1. It was the first thing that came to mind. I think the general gist is understood.
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Postby The Grims » Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:35 am

Alvecia wrote:
The Grims wrote:I daresay that losing ones faith is easier than defrying. So that comparison is not entirely fair.

Comparisons are rarely 1-1. It was the first thing that came to mind. I think the general gist is understood.


It is, but I actually agree with IM here. No doubt there will be people for whom a few million dollars will be the final push they need to leave their own faith. Not all believers, but cwrtainly many.

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Postby Alvecia » Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:48 am

The Grims wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Comparisons are rarely 1-1. It was the first thing that came to mind. I think the general gist is understood.


It is, but I actually agree with IM here. No doubt there will be people for whom a few million dollars will be the final push they need to leave their own faith. Not all believers, but cwrtainly many.

I think if money is what gets you to leave a faith, you didn't actually "believe" anyhow. Money is just the excuse to formally leave.

Based on the OP I don't think this is the kind of "changing of faiths" that IM is expecting:
Infected Mushroom wrote:However, it's going to be really really hard to tell my brain, "hey listen up, this new religion is now 100% real. START TALKING TO GOD!" However, with some persistence, I could get started on this 10 year thing. But I have every inclination to believe it's going to be hell hard.
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Postby HC Eredivisie » Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:55 am

IM: here's five million if you get a religion.
Me: PRAISE THE LORD! SWEET HEAVENS HALLELUJAH!


This basically means I'd have to visit church every Sunday morning for ten years, seems like a good deal and I could give my grandparents a ride as they can't go on their own anymore. :)
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:59 am

HC Eredivisie wrote:IM: here's five million if you get a religion.
Me: PRAISE THE LORD! SWEET HEAVENS HALLELUJAH!


This basically means I'd have to visit church every Sunday morning for ten years, seems like a good deal and I could give my grandparents a ride as they can't go on their own anymore. :)


The hypothetical does require a tiny bit more from you. You will have to be an active member of the church community, actively performing deeds to promote your new faith and trying to convert the people you know as well.
Basicly that will probably result in losing much of your social circle, but gaining a new one.
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Postby HC Eredivisie » Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:04 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
HC Eredivisie wrote:IM: here's five million if you get a religion.
Me: PRAISE THE LORD! SWEET HEAVENS HALLELUJAH!


This basically means I'd have to visit church every Sunday morning for ten years, seems like a good deal and I could give my grandparents a ride as they can't go on their own anymore. :)


The hypothetical does require a tiny bit more from you. You will have to be an active member of the church community, actively performing deeds to promote your new faith and trying to convert the people you know as well.
Basicly that will probably result in losing much of your social circle, but gaining a new one.

I admit, I never read that far into IM's posts. Though a ''I go to church, would you like to come too one day?' seems to satisfy the criteria.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:29 pm

Eh, sure? I'm not all too religious, so converting back to Christianity wouldn't phase me too much, especially for $5 million. Weekly mass might be annoying, as would discussing my religion, but hey, I could fulfill my lifelong dream of fucking off to a tropical island with 5 mil.

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Postby Kowtowannia » Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:39 pm

Zarmagon wrote:5 million dollars? Is this serious? Why not?
Which religion should I choose? because I had none.
I'm open for a contract. Just give me the money!
When should I start? and when do I get the money?


This is just another one of IM's silly hypothetical scenarios.
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Postby Avrill » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:22 am

5 million bucks for lip service? Sure, no prob, I'd convert to orthodox christianity, and well, keep my end of the bargain. I don't think it would be possible to truly change religion for money, no matter how much I'd get paid I wouldn't seriously believe in this religious bullshit.

Also islam/judaism with their bloody rituals are off the table.

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Postby La Xinga » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:52 pm

Avrill wrote:5 million bucks for lip service? Sure, no prob, I'd convert to orthodox christianity, and well, keep my end of the bargain. I don't think it would be possible to truly change religion for money, no matter how much I'd get paid I wouldn't seriously believe in this religious bullshit.

Also islam/judaism with their bloody rituals are off the table.

Bloody rituals? Huh??

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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:04 pm

La xinga wrote:
Avrill wrote:5 million bucks for lip service? Sure, no prob, I'd convert to orthodox christianity, and well, keep my end of the bargain. I don't think it would be possible to truly change religion for money, no matter how much I'd get paid I wouldn't seriously believe in this religious bullshit.

Also islam/judaism with their bloody rituals are off the table.

Bloody rituals? Huh??


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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:42 pm

Avrill wrote:5 million bucks for lip service? Sure, no prob, I'd convert to orthodox christianity, and well, keep my end of the bargain. I don't think it would be possible to truly change religion for money, no matter how much I'd get paid I wouldn't seriously believe in this religious bullshit.


As people mentioned, the money is not the trick. It is the fact that you would spend the next decade actively engaging with the ccommunity, replacing your social circle with that of the church chosen, reorganising your schedule to fit the church.

And then after 10 years the deal says you could walk away and start all over; leaving your friends, routine, perhaps even your new life partner you met at the church behind.

Would you ? Are you sure ?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:50 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Avrill wrote:5 million bucks for lip service? Sure, no prob, I'd convert to orthodox christianity, and well, keep my end of the bargain. I don't think it would be possible to truly change religion for money, no matter how much I'd get paid I wouldn't seriously believe in this religious bullshit.


As people mentioned, the money is not the trick. It is the fact that you would spend the next decade actively engaging with the ccommunity, replacing your social circle with that of the church chosen, reorganising your schedule to fit the church.

And then after 10 years the deal says you could walk away and start all over; leaving your friends, routine, perhaps even your new life partner you met at the church behind.

Would you ? Are you sure ?


there's a probability that you'd feel very comfortable in the new faith over the 10 years and decide to stay (even when the 10 years lapse, it's your call)

however, if you find a new comfort in your newfound faith, is that not a good thing?
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