Re: 5 million dollars to change religion

[Washington Resistance Army]

5 million dollars isn't nearly enough for me to keep an act up for 10 years.

You already worship several gods what’s one more?

OP says I'd have to choose between several flavors of Islam or Christianity. I'd need a lot more than 5 mil to keep that act up for a decade.

[Saiwania]

OP says I'd have to choose between several flavors of Islam or Christianity. I'd need a lot more than 5 mil to keep that act up for a decade.

What is 10 years of inconvience compared to what could be almost a lifetime of financial security? (provided you budget/utilize it properly).

Many if not most people, try and die trying to accumulate even 1 million in assets before reaching retirement age but never come close because of all the cost and difficulties living typically brings. It proves to be quite tyrannical to not have enough money and to always be limited by that in terms of your options. Many people work but never truly get ahead in terms of their goals or aspired lifestyle, thats called being a wage slave. Its not a good place to be.

[Rojava Free State]

Considering that I'm not a greedy person and I am very strongly against christianity and especially Islam, I'm gonna say no.

I may not be rich, but as long as I can get by, I don't need 5 million dollars or even 500,000 dollars.

[Rojava Free State]

5 million dollars isn't nearly enough for me to keep an act up for 10 years.

You already worship several gods what’s one more?

WRA is a pagan? This is news to me.

[Rojava Free State]

I dont know what's more desperate. Religion paying people to join or Jeb Bush and later Pete Buttigieg asking the audience to please clap.

[Rojava Free State]

Shame I can’t be orthodox for 10 years. I could definitely do that.

With the orthodox's stance on gay rights?

Basically the same as christianity as a whole. "It's a sin, you go to hell forever." For some reason the idea of two men kissing is horrifying to abrahamic Faiths. It is so bad that ISIS fighters threw people off buildings over it.

[Mzeusia]

No amount of money can make someone change their mind. They can appear to do so, but to truly change someone's mind, they need to be convinced by something. That convincing usually doesn't happen with the promise of money.

[Washington Resistance Army]

OP says I'd have to choose between several flavors of Islam or Christianity. I'd need a lot more than 5 mil to keep that act up for a decade.

What is 10 years of inconvience compared to what could be almost a lifetime of financial security? (provided you budget/utilize it properly).

Many if not most people, try and die trying to accumulate even 1 million in assets before reaching retirement age but never come close because of all the cost and difficulties living typically brings. It proves to be quite tyrannical to not have enough money and to always be limited by that in terms of your options. Many people work but never truly get ahead in terms of their goals or aspired lifestyle, thats called being a wage slave. Its not a good place to be.

Man I don't know about you Sai but 5 mil doesn't seem like a lifetime guarantee anymore. That's hardly anything if you try to live off the interest and investing brings with it a whole new set of risks.

You already worship several gods what’s one more?

WRA is a pagan? This is news to me.

Indeed I am. It comes up from time to time in religious threads or whatever.

[Saiwania]

Man I don't know about you Sai but 5 mil doesn't seem like a lifetime guarantee anymore. That's hardly anything if you try to live off the interest and investing brings with it a whole new set of risks.

It is more than enough if you're not trying to live in Manhatten. If you get it at 30, you'll have only spent $2.4 million in 60 years if at $40,000 a year or less. You'd have some left over for some real estate and to maybe park in a good index fund, amongst lots of other things. You couldn't live like a millionaire for it to last, but point is that you'd likely be fine in that scenario. I don't like mansions and I like a middle class existence anyways, given that it is how I grew up.

Don't go hog wild in terms of lifestyle and you won't go through it all. Your expenses will remain smaller if you're content with a little less than in trying to keep a fancy estate with a full staff and etc. You're better off just buying a rental/hotel business and using money to make more money. But you can't if your money doesn't scale well, like a few million could. At a certain level, it makes more sense to hire other people, because doing it yourself would otherwise take up too much of your limited time compared to what profits you can get from it.

[UniversalCommons]

Say you are a universalist and claim it includes both Christianity and Islam and all the different denominations. It can mean anything. There is no definition of what flavor of Islam or Christianity is here. Take the $5 million dollars and disappear.

[Diopolis]

What is 10 years of inconvience compared to what could be almost a lifetime of financial security? (provided you budget/utilize it properly).

Many if not most people, try and die trying to accumulate even 1 million in assets before reaching retirement age but never come close because of all the cost and difficulties living typically brings. It proves to be quite tyrannical to not have enough money and to always be limited by that in terms of your options. Many people work but never truly get ahead in terms of their goals or aspired lifestyle, thats called being a wage slave. Its not a good place to be.

Man I don't know about you Sai but 5 mil doesn't seem like a lifetime guarantee anymore. That's hardly anything if you try to live off the interest and investing brings with it a whole new set of risks.

If your religious status is for sale, then $500,000 a year for ten years guaranteed income is a very nice extra paycheck, and if we assume you keep your day job, should be sufficient to retire very early indeed.

[Diopolis]

Say you are a universalist and claim it includes both Christianity and Islam. It can mean anything. There is no definition of what flavor of Islam or Christianity is here. Take the $5 million dollars and disappear.

Yes, there is. If you are a Moor you are required to convert to Catholicism, Orthodoxy, or Anglicanism. The moorish religion is a bit more complicated. I assumed that it was meant to refer to Sunni, Shia, and Kharijite sects.
My reading of the OP was that one was required to A) convert B) follow the proper motions of worship(all of these faiths set an established bare minimum required worship) and C) follow the moral rules of the religion in question at least well enough that an impartial observer wouldn't be able to tell you from a fundamentalist genuinely trying to follow the rules.

[Albrenia]

I'm interested that so many are claiming 5 million dollars isn't much, when to me that's a bloomin' fortune. I'd still consider it an unethical act to fake religious belief for money.

[Purgatio]

Seriously?? 5 million? That's it? That's what's on offer here??

Yeah, no way, $5 million is not enough to convince any reasonable person to do anything, let alone change their entire religious lifestyle.

how much do you want?

I set 5 million because I was under the impression most people would make from 40,000-60,000 on average yearly

I mean preferably it should be a substantial enough sum. I feel like I'd say yes if it was like US$40-60 million?

[Purgatio]

I'm interested that so many are claiming 5 million dollars isn't much, when to me that's a bloomin' fortune. I'd still consider it an unethical act to fake religious belief for money.

Because in order to be an attractive sum of money, it has to be an amount that will last you for the rest of your life without having to work. Even if you invested 5 million and got a healthy rate of return, at a reasonable standard of living it would last you for like 10 years unless you're really scrounging and scrimping and scraping by.

[Diopolis]

I'm interested that so many are claiming 5 million dollars isn't much, when to me that's a bloomin' fortune. I'd still consider it an unethical act to fake religious belief for money.

Because in order to be an attractive sum of money, it has to be an amount that will last you for the rest of your life without having to work. Even if you invested 5 million and got a healthy rate of return, at a reasonable standard of living it would last you for like 10 years unless you're really scrounging and scrimping and scraping by.

5 million is 120 times the minimum for a reasonable standard of living for a single person where I live. Actually slightly more, but still.

[Rojava Free State]

Because in order to be an attractive sum of money, it has to be an amount that will last you for the rest of your life without having to work. Even if you invested 5 million and got a healthy rate of return, at a reasonable standard of living it would last you for like 10 years unless you're really scrounging and scrimping and scraping by.

5 million is 120 times the minimum for a reasonable standard of living for a single person where I live. Actually slightly more, but still.

Living wage where I live isn't the worst nor the best in America. Average apartment here is like $800-$1000, which isn't the worst prices ever but it's more expensive than in Detroit.

With 5 million I could buy a tri level for sure and still live comfortably. But that's not my goal.

[Saiwania]

Because in order to be an attractive sum of money, it has to be an amount that will last you for the rest of your life without having to work. Even if you invested 5 million and got a healthy rate of return, at a reasonable standard of living it would last you for like 10 years unless you're really scrounging and scrimping and scraping by.

$5 million is not going to be gone in 10 years unless you're burning through $500,000 each year. You're not going to be doing anything close to that unless you're trying to live in a crazy expensive place like Manhatten or British Columbia.

[Diopolis]

5 million is 120 times the minimum for a reasonable standard of living for a single person where I live. Actually slightly more, but still.

Living wage where I live isn't the worst nor the best in America. Average apartment here is like $800-$1000, which isn't the worst prices ever but it's more expensive than in Detroit.

With 5 million I could buy a tri level for sure and still live comfortably. But that's not my goal.

Realistically, because it's cheaper in the long run to own(and pay cash for) most things than to rent, 5 million goes even further.
But let's assume living wage for a single person is 40k and 60k for a family. That's slightly less than 100 years minimum income to 125 years minimum income. Even if you don't invest or have any returns on the money, it's still enough to retire right now unless you're Nicholas Flammel.

[Rojava Free State]

Because in order to be an attractive sum of money, it has to be an amount that will last you for the rest of your life without having to work. Even if you invested 5 million and got a healthy rate of return, at a reasonable standard of living it would last you for like 10 years unless you're really scrounging and scrimping and scraping by.

$5 million is not going to be gone in 10 years unless you're burning through $500,000 each year. You're not going to be doing anything close to that unless you're trying to live in a crazy expensive place like Manhatten or Seattle's richest neighborhood.

Outside of paying for necessities, I only spend about $20 a week. I live with my mom right now but once I move out again, besides paying for an apartment and vehicle insurance, I'm not going on spending sprees. 20 a week is enough for a couple beers and some weed, and I'm not interested in getting anything else. Being thrifty is an art, a trait lost on many Americans post baby boom but being rediscovered by millennials and zoomers.

[Rojava Free State]

Living wage where I live isn't the worst nor the best in America. Average apartment here is like $800-$1000, which isn't the worst prices ever but it's more expensive than in Detroit.

With 5 million I could buy a tri level for sure and still live comfortably. But that's not my goal.

Realistically, because it's cheaper in the long run to own(and pay cash for) most things than to rent, 5 million goes even further.
But let's assume living wage for a single person is 40k and 60k for a family. That's slightly less than 100 years minimum income to 125 years minimum income. Even if you don't invest or have any returns on the money, it's still enough to retire right now unless you're Nicholas Flammel.

Good thing I dont have kids. I got alot more money to use for my discretion

[Purgatio]

Because in order to be an attractive sum of money, it has to be an amount that will last you for the rest of your life without having to work. Even if you invested 5 million and got a healthy rate of return, at a reasonable standard of living it would last you for like 10 years unless you're really scrounging and scrimping and scraping by.

5 million is 120 times the minimum for a reasonable standard of living for a single person where I live. Actually slightly more, but still.

Really? Is that true? Idk man, I just find that hard to imagine. At least amongst everyone I know personally (my friends are all single and unmarried, oldest one is 23) they generally spend between US$400-600,000 a year, adding up rent/mortgage payments, car, petroleum, utilities, clothing, restaurants, vacations, insurance, and what not, which is how I got to the figure of '10 years' when I added it up quickly in my head.

And of course if you're talking about parents with children (my own parents being my only reference point for this) the cost gets much much higher, like my mom especially always loves reminding me (in a joking tone obvi) how much it cost to raise my brother and I, the per annum cost exceeded like US$1-2 million easily.

[Purgatio]

Because in order to be an attractive sum of money, it has to be an amount that will last you for the rest of your life without having to work. Even if you invested 5 million and got a healthy rate of return, at a reasonable standard of living it would last you for like 10 years unless you're really scrounging and scrimping and scraping by.

$5 million is not going to be gone in 10 years unless you're burning through $500,000 each year. You're not going to be doing anything close to that unless you're trying to live in a crazy expensive place like Manhatten or British Columbia.

Well I am in Manhattan right now. A few years ago I was living in Oxford. Before that, in Singapore. Not the cheapest cities in terms of cost of living, I'll give you that.

Also, I didn't realise British Columbia had a reputation for being an expensive place to live, but good to know.

[Diopolis]

Realistically, because it's cheaper in the long run to own(and pay cash for) most things than to rent, 5 million goes even further.
But let's assume living wage for a single person is 40k and 60k for a family. That's slightly less than 100 years minimum income to 125 years minimum income. Even if you don't invest or have any returns on the money, it's still enough to retire right now unless you're Nicholas Flammel.

Good thing I dont have kids. I got alot more money to use for my discretion

We have different value systems, but whatever. I've actually been going through my budget to evaluate whether I have the financial ability to start a family, and it actually turns out that most of the big expenses are pretty similar or have only a small premium. It's the normally pretty small expenses that balloon massively, plus a few additional ones.
I also made the assumption that if you got a sudden windfall of a hundred years income, your spouse would also stop working.

[UniversalCommons]

I'm interested that so many are claiming 5 million dollars isn't much, when to me that's a bloomin' fortune. I'd still consider it an unethical act to fake religious belief for money.

Because in order to be an attractive sum of money, it has to be an amount that will last you for the rest of your life without having to work. Even if you invested 5 million and got a healthy rate of return, at a reasonable standard of living it would last you for like 10 years unless you're really scrounging and scrimping and scraping by.

If you took a standard risk in an index fund you would make around $500,000 a year most likely with $5 million dollars. It is more than enough to be comfortable. 10% is the average return for an index fund in the US.