Down and Out on Mars and Venus

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Heres an idea. How about instead of investing money and time into terraforming Mars we focus on this planet and caring about the environment and if unpopular decisions have to be made then so be it.

Having a lifeboat seems like a good idea to me.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Down with Earth, long live the Martian Congressional Republic.



I dont know if we could terraform it in the next century but i;d say it should be a longterm goal for humanity so we have another world we can expand to and safely live on.

[Heloin]

Down with Earth, long live the Martian Congressional Republic.



I dont know if we could terraform it in the next century but i;d say it should be a longterm goal for humanity so we have another world we can expand to and safely live on.

We were going to call ourselves the Martian Independence and Liberation Front but the acronym was already taken apparently.

[Diopolis]

It would be a lot more efficient to build underground on mars and live in bunkers.

[San Lumen]

Heres an idea. How about instead of investing money and time into terraforming Mars we focus on this planet and caring about the environment and if unpopular decisions have to be made then so be it.

Having a lifeboat seems like a good idea to me.

Its not going to be feasible anytime soon

[Cetacea]

It would be a lot more efficient to build underground on mars and live in bunkers.

how is living in bunkers more effecient than creating a self sustaining atmosphere?

anyway I thought the major issue with Mars was lack of convection currents in its silicate mantle with which to create the geodynamo effect (electromagnetic field).
So could we fire a uranium rich asteroid into the Core of Mars in order to get more geological activity started?

[Novus America]

Having a lifeboat seems like a good idea to me.

Its not going to be feasible anytime soon

And? By that argument no new ideas or technologies would be developed.
We have to start somewhere. Sure actual implementation may be far off, but now is the time to beginning laying the ground work.

[Diopolis]

It would be a lot more efficient to build underground on mars and live in bunkers.

how is living in bunkers more effecient than creating a self sustaining atmosphere?

anyway I thought the major issue with Mars was lack of convection currents in its silicate mantle with which to create the geodynamo effect (electromagnetic field).
So could we fire a uranium rich asteroid into the Core of Mars in order to get more geological activity started?

Than terraforming an entire planet?

[Cetacea]

how is living in bunkers more effecient than creating a self sustaining atmosphere?

anyway I thought the major issue with Mars was lack of convection currents in its silicate mantle with which to create the geodynamo effect (electromagnetic field).
So could we fire a uranium rich asteroid into the Core of Mars in order to get more geological activity started?

Than terraforming an entire planet?

yes, because living in bunkers still requires that you have an artificial means of generating clean air, water and light as well as means of growing food.

Given the premise that we are transporting a "sustainable longterm population" to Mars I'm not certain that living in underground bunkers has a better cost-benefit ratio than terraforming the planet.

[Australian rePublic]

Wait, how would a greenhouse effect work on Mars? Isn't that yoo earth-centric?

[Heloin]

Wait, how would a greenhouse effect work on Mars? Isn't that yoo earth-centric?

Venus has a Green House Effect. It's why it's surface temperature is so hot that it melts everything we send over.

[Auze]

Wait, how would a greenhouse effect work on Mars? Isn't that yoo earth-centric?

Venus has a Green House Effect. It's why it's surface temperature is so hot that it melts everything we send over.

Venus is even within the habitable zone, we just need to speed up the rotation and fix that atmosphere, return water to the area, (and revive the magnetic field, that part is vital) and we have an nice planet to live on. Mars is similar, but it has the exact opposite problem.

[US-SSR]

There is no Planet B. Absent some drastic change the Earth is going to be unfit for human habitation long before anyone terraforms Mars, taps the water from the moons of Jupiter or launches torchships into the ineffable void speckled with planets turned to schluk. Time, thought and effort given to these pipe dreams is so much wasted resources that could be used to try to fix the one place in the cosmos known to be hospitable to life of any kind.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

It would be a lot more efficient to build underground on mars and live in bunkers.

how is living in bunkers more effecient than creating a self sustaining atmosphere?

anyway I thought the major issue with Mars was lack of convection currents in its silicate mantle with which to create the geodynamo effect (electromagnetic field).
So could we fire a uranium rich asteroid into the Core of Mars in order to get more geological activity started?

I'm not aware of such an asteroid, but I have considered massive collisions to melt the core/mantle. Might start an 'areodynamo' but would definitely warm the planet.

The problem is the timescale, for it to calm back down again. Too much volcanism would be unpleasant.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

There is no Planet B. Absent some drastic change the Earth is going to be unfit for human habitation long before anyone terraforms Mars, taps the water from the moons of Jupiter or launches torchships into the ineffable void speckled with planets turned to schluk. Time, thought and effort given to these pipe dreams is so much wasted resources that could be used to try to fix the one place in the cosmos known to be hospitable to life of any kind.

There are plenty of other threads for you to waste your time in.

[Rojava Free State]

This could be us but we decided to be dipshits in the 21st century and said "fuck using your head." I guess they put up an ad for the new bad brains album in some record store in DC and everyone misread it and thought it was a warning that brains are bad.

[Rojava Free State]

Wait, how would a greenhouse effect work on Mars? Isn't that yoo earth-centric?

The basic laws of nature apply everywhere (except near black holes).

[US-SSR]

There is no Planet B. Absent some drastic change the Earth is going to be unfit for human habitation long before anyone terraforms Mars, taps the water from the moons of Jupiter or launches torchships into the ineffable void speckled with planets turned to schluk. Time, thought and effort given to these pipe dreams is so much wasted resources that could be used to try to fix the one place in the cosmos known to be hospitable to life of any kind.

There are plenty of other threads for you to waste your time in.

The crystal ships are being filled, a thousand girls, a thousand thrills, a million ways to spend your time.

[Novus America]

Venus has a Green House Effect. It's why it's surface temperature is so hot that it melts everything we send over.

Venus is even within the habitable zone, we just need to speed up the rotation and fix that atmosphere, return water to the area, (and revive the magnetic field, that part is vital) and we have an nice planet to live on. Mars is similar, but it has the exact opposite problem.

Actually speeding up the rotation is probably not necessary. Because Venus turns very slowly but does not really tilt much basically the day is summer and the night winter, not that different than living very far north or south here.

[Vetalia]

Venus is even within the habitable zone, we just need to speed up the rotation and fix that atmosphere, return water to the area, (and revive the magnetic field, that part is vital) and we have an nice planet to live on. Mars is similar, but it has the exact opposite problem.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/20 ... -habitable

Interestingly, the slow rotation of Venus was one of the things keeping it habitable for a long period of time. It might actually be disadvantageous to speed up its rotation if the other problems were addressed, you'd probably be better off mitigating the amount of insolation.

[Auze]

Venus is even within the habitable zone, we just need to speed up the rotation and fix that atmosphere, return water to the area, (and revive the magnetic field, that part is vital) and we have an nice planet to live on. Mars is similar, but it has the exact opposite problem.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/20 ... -habitable

Interestingly, the slow rotation of Venus was one of the things keeping it habitable for a long period of time. It might actually be disadvantageous to speed up its rotation if the other problems were addressed, you'd probably be better off mitigating the amount of insolation.

Yeah, I was a little behind on my astronomy science in that regard. One of the theories for how Venus became so inhospitable involved its rotation having slowed down to the ridiculously low speed (a Venusian day is longer than it's year) it is today. Though I would bet that this long day is at least partially to blame for the endless katabatic winds that blow across the planet.

Heres an idea. How about instead of investing money and time into terraforming Mars we focus on this planet and caring about the environment and if unpopular decisions have to be made then so be it.

You've made a thread on the hypothetical of saving the Jurassic Park dinos from a volcano, really no room to judge on what is a useless discussion topic. Anyways, we can always do both (obviously prioritize Earth, but let's get the ball rolling for more habitable planets in our solar system).

[Major-Tom]

Or we could always try to stop destroying the planet we're on instead of dreaming of Mars as our savior.

Or both? I always view Mars as a sort of Plan B we should plan for - we should make every feasible attempt we have to stop the destruction of our planet, but the pessimist in me says we're in too deep, we need a backup in case our best efforts come up short.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

When I hear the Venusians talk of "fixing the atmosphere" I think of how easy it is (or isn't) to fix our own atmosphere.

I'd rather start with no atmosphere, and add gas to it, than get gasses apart and get the ones we don't want back up a gravity well.

Should I rename the thread "Mars/Venus something" so it's welcoming to both kinds of terraforming?

[Auze]

When I hear the Venusians talk of "fixing the atmosphere" I think of how easy it is (or isn't) to fix our own atmosphere.

I'd rather start with no atmosphere, and add gas to it, than get gasses apart and get the ones we don't want back up a gravity well.

Should I rename the thread "Mars/Venus something" so it's welcoming to both kinds of terraforming?

Yeah, the problem with Venus is: where do we begin to fix things? Venus is such a hostile planet that pretty much all equipment would be destroyed fairly quickly. Mars, on the other hand, besides the hard part of rebuilding a magnetic field is practically just inducing global warning until the dry ice in the poles sublimes and the atmospheric pressure & temperature is high enough to contain liquid water.

[Novus America]

When I hear the Venusians talk of "fixing the atmosphere" I think of how easy it is (or isn't) to fix our own atmosphere.

I'd rather start with no atmosphere, and add gas to it, than get gasses apart and get the ones we don't want back up a gravity well.

Should I rename the thread "Mars/Venus something" so it's welcoming to both kinds of terraforming?

Fixing our own would not be so hard, we just are too lazy and stupid.
Of course that does not bode well for other planets, but still.

Also we do not have to get them back up the gravity well, the carbon and sulfur could be used to make building materials.