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Re: The Smiling Bomber Hypothetical

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Which wire do you cut?

Red (As justified by Option 1)
12
67%
Blue (As Justified by Option 2)
3
17%
Blue (As Justified by Option 3)
3
17%
Red or Blue (depending on the coin)
0
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Total votes : 18

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Infected Mushroom
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:37 pm

Andsed wrote:
Heloin wrote:The workers paradise will have better policing and counter-terrorism units then the monarchy.

Viva la revolution and sound governance. (Really though what kind of police force does not have a bomb squad or stops an evacuation because some old bitch is worried about her daughter?)


They only have a non magical bomb defusion squad

Remember, you serve the anti-magical faction

It’s the successor regime to the group that won the Great Magical War

Magic is feared and hated
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:40 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Andsed wrote:Viva la revolution and sound governance. (Really though what kind of police force does not have a bomb squad or stops an evacuation because some old bitch is worried about her daughter?)


They only have a non magical bomb defusion squad

Remember, you serve the anti-magical faction

It’s the successor regime to the group that won the Great Magical War

Magic is feared and hated

And yet I can astralproject myself into somewhere else for some reason...
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:42 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
They only have a non magical bomb defusion squad

Remember, you serve the anti-magical faction

It’s the successor regime to the group that won the Great Magical War

Magic is feared and hated

And yet I can astralproject myself into somewhere else for some reason...


Yes because you are a magic user

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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:46 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Andsed wrote:Viva la revolution and sound governance. (Really though what kind of police force does not have a bomb squad or stops an evacuation because some old bitch is worried about her daughter?)


They only have a non magical bomb defusion squad

Remember, you serve the anti-magical faction

It’s the successor regime to the group that won the Great Magical War

Magic is feared and hated

So what happens once the mage-detective finished the job? Will they be brought to a witch trial since apparently magic is feared and hated there
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Postby Andsed » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:48 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Andsed wrote:Viva la revolution and sound governance. (Really though what kind of police force does not have a bomb squad or stops an evacuation because some old bitch is worried about her daughter?)


They only have a non magical bomb defusion squad

Remember, you serve the anti-magical faction

It’s the successor regime to the group that won the Great Magical War

Magic is feared and hated

Then these "governments" are blatantly incompetent. I mean you literally said there was a bombing spree like 4 years ago using these magical bombs and no governments decided train their bomb squads to address these threats? Besides if am some "magical detective" why am I on the force? I mean if they hate magic why let a mage into their police?
I do be tired


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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:52 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:And yet I can astralproject myself into somewhere else for some reason...


Yes because you are a magic user

So basically I do something that is hated by the faction that I serve? What?
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:52 pm

You know

We're in a magical world where I can astrally project myself to prevent a bomb

Why did the terrorists need bombs? Just use a spell

Why does there need to be a hospital? Just cast a healing spell

Why can't I just mindread him to see if he's lying?

And bullshit on the 'well, only a few people can use magic.', I'm a random detective and I know how to use it. Imagine if Dirty Harry could cast fire spells or some shit, that's what it sounds like to me.

In fact, why does this scenario even need magic to begin with?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:11 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
They only have a non magical bomb defusion squad

Remember, you serve the anti-magical faction

It’s the successor regime to the group that won the Great Magical War

Magic is feared and hated

So what happens once the mage-detective finished the job? Will they be brought to a witch trial since apparently magic is feared and hated there


The detective would be rewarded for his counter terrorism work

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Postby Andsed » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:17 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:So what happens once the mage-detective finished the job? Will they be brought to a witch trial since apparently magic is feared and hated there


The detective would be rewarded for his counter terrorism work

But is magic not feared and hated? Why would the government make an exception for this detective but not for the bomb squad or hell the police in general?
I do be tired


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Postby Imperial-Octavia » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:24 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Andsed wrote:Viva la revolution and sound governance. (Really though what kind of police force does not have a bomb squad or stops an evacuation because some old bitch is worried about her daughter?)


They only have a non magical bomb defusion squad

Remember, you serve the anti-magical faction

It’s the successor regime to the group that won the Great Magical War

Magic is feared and hated

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:26 pm

Andsed wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:The detective would be rewarded for his counter terrorism work

But is magic not feared and hated? Why would the government make an exception for this detective but not for the bomb squad or hell the police in general?

Fuck knows why the detective gets a pass but nobody else does.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:30 pm

Andsed wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
The detective would be rewarded for his counter terrorism work

But is magic not feared and hated? Why would the government make an exception for this detective but not for the bomb squad or hell the police in general?

Fuck, why not just infuse magic into old queen Liz? Establish a God Empress who doesn't need a military or police and can simply will crime out of existence?

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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:32 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Andsed wrote:But is magic not feared and hated? Why would the government make an exception for this detective but not for the bomb squad or hell the police in general?

Fuck, why not just infuse magic into old queen Liz? Establish a God Empress who doesn't need a military or police and can simply will crime out of existence?

I have made the Republicans shit themselves

Won't that just make her "Queen Annie V.2"?

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:34 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Fuck, why not just infuse magic into old queen Liz? Establish a God Empress who doesn't need a military or police and can simply will crime out of existence?

I have made the Republicans shit themselves

Won't that just make her "Queen Annie V.2"?

probably, lol
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Postby Albrenia » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:38 pm

If it's a magic bomb why don't I just cast anti-magic zone, chop it into little pieces, eat it and leave?

Or get someone else to eat it if my projection can't enter the zone.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:56 pm

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:37 pm

Albrenia wrote:If it's a magic bomb why don't I just cast anti-magic zone, chop it into little pieces, eat it and leave?

Or get someone else to eat it if my projection can't enter the zone.


Magic exists in a highly diminished form

And the bomb cannot be safely removed unless defused in the place first

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:38 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Andsed wrote:But is magic not feared and hated? Why would the government make an exception for this detective but not for the bomb squad or hell the police in general?

Fuck knows why the detective gets a pass but nobody else does.


He’s a loyal government enforcer

It’s like those dystopia works where the government is hunting down androids but themselves use a few elite androids

Except with magic

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Postby Heloin » Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:46 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Fuck knows why the detective gets a pass but nobody else does.


He’s a loyal government enforcer

It’s like those dystopia works where the government is hunting down androids but themselves use a few elite androids

Except with magic

In the words of Ice Cube:
But don't let it be a black and a white one
'Cause they'll slam ya down to the street top
Black police showin' out for the white cop

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:58 am

Someone made a good point about there not being enough time to flip a coin

Stand by for edits to make that a more realistic option

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Postby Heloin » Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:04 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:Someone made a good point about there not being enough time to flip a coin

Stand by for edits to make that a more realistic option

Yes of course, the coin flip was the one point messing with my immersion. Steampunk Victorian magicians in the 1960's who fight disaffected MI6 agents was totally on the level.

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:50 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Fuck knows why the detective gets a pass but nobody else does.


He’s a loyal government enforcer

It’s like those dystopia works where the government is hunting down androids but themselves use a few elite androids

Except with magic

If they hated them as much as you say then they wouldn't allow him.

And the dystopian societies such as in Blade Runner created the androids and continued to create them in the first place, so they can't hate them that much.

Still don't see why this detective gets a pass.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:31 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
He’s a loyal government enforcer

It’s like those dystopia works where the government is hunting down androids but themselves use a few elite androids

Except with magic

If they hated them as much as you say then they wouldn't allow him.

And the dystopian societies such as in Blade Runner created the androids and continued to create them in the first place, so they can't hate them that much.

Still don't see why this detective gets a pass.


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Postby Crookfur » Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:36 am

When we have a monarchy that is fully capable of over riding all other aspects of the legal system why are we offering the OG incredibly dangerous mass murderer any possibility of getting out ever? Sure he may be needed but surely any offer is going to feature a lot of stick (she dies, you die plus or minus horrible torture options) and relatively little carrot (a variety of nicer things for the duration of your incarceration).

Also if all the magic parts of the bomb are dealt with and all that is left is simple electrical wiring then surely there are now a whole bunch of options for how to deal with the bomb.
Yes for the scenario to work you need a simple a or b choice but by bringing in magic you have made the options more or less infinite.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:37 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:If they hated them as much as you say then they wouldn't allow him.

And the dystopian societies such as in Blade Runner created the androids and continued to create them in the first place, so they can't hate them that much.

Still don't see why this detective gets a pass.


Loyalty

Nonsense.
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

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White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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