Sexual Orientation Thread

[Major-Tom]

It's such a weird club, imo. Their lives centre around women more than womens' lives centre around women. I have a hard time accepting how aligning yourselves with others based on obsessive hate appeals to people.

Clearly you know nothing about it. It isn't a "clique". Nobody runs it, there's no membership card, there's no official doctrine. It's more of an outlook. It does involve rejection of societal pressure to put oneself at the mercy of entitled, hypergamous females and their allies in the family court system.

If some men want to scratch that itch, that's their way. If others want nothing to do with third-wave feminist harpies and prefer to concentrate on improving themselves, building their careers, saving their money and investing it wisely, that's their way. The central idea of MGTOW, as I see it, is the recognition of the true nature of many, if not most, 21st century women. Enter relations with them at your own risk. If you still want to, go for it. But if you're looking for a woman who "isn't like that", good luck. Not all women may "be like that", but today, all women CAN "be like that". And once they make that move, men inevitably get plundered in divorce court, lose their children, and face years of financial ruin. Among other things.

"Obsessive hate"? Nice try. Some men who have had particularly bad experiences may have that kind of attitude, but plenty of others just don't want anything to do with them.

Btw: another characteristic of MGTOW is this: shaming language doesn't work. We don't care what blue-pill types think. Let alone what feminists think.

It's like you're triggered by women.

[Kedri]

I think I'm asexual, and it has been what I have identified as for years, but now I'm starting to think I could be a demisexual.

I'm wondering if any of y'all would consider demisexuality as a minority?

From my brief research, some people are of the opinion that demisexuality is the normal orientation for most people and that demisexuals just want oppression points.

Thoughts?

[MGTOWia]

Clearly you know nothing about it. It isn't a "clique". Nobody runs it, there's no membership card, there's no official doctrine. It's more of an outlook. It does involve rejection of societal pressure to put oneself at the mercy of entitled, hypergamous females and their allies in the family court system.

If some men want to scratch that itch, that's their way. If others want nothing to do with third-wave feminist harpies and prefer to concentrate on improving themselves, building their careers, saving their money and investing it wisely, that's their way. The central idea of MGTOW, as I see it, is the recognition of the true nature of many, if not most, 21st century women. Enter relations with them at your own risk. If you still want to, go for it. But if you're looking for a woman who "isn't like that", good luck. Not all women may "be like that", but today, all women CAN "be like that". And once they make that move, men inevitably get plundered in divorce court, lose their children, and face years of financial ruin. Among other things.

"Obsessive hate"? Nice try. Some men who have had particularly bad experiences may have that kind of attitude, but plenty of others just don't want anything to do with them.

Btw: another characteristic of MGTOW is this: shaming language doesn't work. We don't care what blue-pill types think. Let alone what feminists think.

It's like you're triggered by women.

Call it whatever you like.

[Sylh Alanor]

I think I'm asexual, and it has been what I have identified as for years, but now I'm starting to think I could be a demisexual.

I'm wondering if any of y'all would consider demisexuality as a minority?

From my brief research, some people are of the opinion that demisexuality is the normal orientation for most people and that demisexuals just want oppression points.

Thoughts?

I never really understood that approach, since I've had friends all my life who seriously wanted to fuck people without knowing them. Hookup culture and fwb scenarios aren't compatible with demisexuals-as-majority. Also, why would porn be as big a business as it is if people only got urges to sleep with people they were close to?

I identified as demisexual for a while, because I didn't think about sex once between the end of my last relationship and meeting my wife, which was a solid 18 months. Now I just say grey-ace to avoid complexity or having to explain myself. I don't think there's anything wrong with identifying that way.

[MGTOWia]

Clearly you know nothing about it. It isn't a "clique". Nobody runs it, there's no membership card, there's no official doctrine. It's more of an outlook. It does involve rejection of societal pressure to put oneself at the mercy of entitled, hypergamous females and their allies in the family court system.

If some men want to scratch that itch, that's their way. If others want nothing to do with third-wave feminist harpies and prefer to concentrate on improving themselves, building their careers, saving their money and investing it wisely, that's their way. The central idea of MGTOW, as I see it, is the recognition of the true nature of many, if not most, 21st century women. Enter relations with them at your own risk. If you still want to, go for it. But if you're looking for a woman who "isn't like that", good luck. Not all women may "be like that", but today, all women CAN "be like that". And once they make that move, men inevitably get plundered in divorce court, lose their children, and face years of financial ruin. Among other things.

"Obsessive hate"? Nice try. Some men who have had particularly bad experiences may have that kind of attitude, but plenty of others just don't want anything to do with them.

Btw: another characteristic of MGTOW is this: shaming language doesn't work. We don't care what blue-pill types think. Let alone what feminists think.

I love that, when faced with a claim that MGTOW people are obsessed with women even more than anyone else, you gave me 238 words talking nonstop about women. I've never had problems with women, but I also am one so maybe I don't enter the relationship with a mindset aimed at blaming them for all of my baggage.

Seriously though, I've been friends with men all my life who never seemed to have an issue coexisting with me. I really don't understand how you've all come to this endpoint, especially when every single MGTOW person I've come across isn't going their own way, they're obsessing and ranting over how evil women are. That's no way to live, and nobody's going to want to be with you if you're this angry and controlling.

The issue was raised. It pertains in large part to men's relations with women. I answered it.

Further to the point, "going one's own way" does not mean going off in a direction nobody else has ever gone in. It refers IMO to living in a way that recognizes the truth about female nature, and that does not subject itself to societal pressures, in particular with respect to relationships and marriage. One may always choose to engage, if one so desires. One is also free not to do so.

And since you're a woman, have you ever filed for divorce?

Btw: I have women friends. Even FWB's. I just feel no need to potentially subject myself to a legal system that has become strongly biased against men.

[VVerkia]

https://asexualagenda.wordpress.com/201 ... ientation/
http://webaffair.net/genderbread/

I think I'm asexual, and it has been what I have identified as for years, but now I'm starting to think I could be a demisexual.
From my brief research, some people are of the opinion that demisexuality is the normal orientation for most people and that demisexuals just want oppression points.

Don't understand what is oppresion point.

[Kedri]

https://asexualagenda.wordpress.com/2019/04/30/terrible-graphs-of-orientation/
http://webaffair.net/genderbread/

I think I'm asexual, and it has been what I have identified as for years, but now I'm starting to think I could be a demisexual.
From my brief research, some people are of the opinion that demisexuality is the normal orientation for most people and that demisexuals just want oppression points.

Don't understand what is oppresion point.

Oh, I just meant 'oppression points' as the accusation raised against demisexuals. Basically, the claim is that demisexuality is supposed to be very common, but some people made up a label so they can feel special. That's what I meant by oppression points.

[VVerkia]

Who knows. Maybe some persona are. I don't dive in that kind of suppositions.

[New haven america]

I think I'm asexual, and it has been what I have identified as for years, but now I'm starting to think I could be a demisexual.

1. I'm wondering if any of y'all would consider demisexuality as a minority?

2. From my brief research, some people are of the opinion that demisexuality is the normal orientation for most people and that demisexuals just want oppression points.

Thoughts?

1. Yes
2. Never heard of this.

[Mandicoria]

Bi, or pan if we really wanna get into technicalities here. Leaning gay.

words of wisdom: don't repress your sexuality, kids. it's damaging to your psyche and development, even if you're an adult. no matter how much you have reactionary minded people calling you "degenerate", just don't listen to them.

[Sylh Alanor]

I love that, when faced with a claim that MGTOW people are obsessed with women even more than anyone else, you gave me 238 words talking nonstop about women. I've never had problems with women, but I also am one so maybe I don't enter the relationship with a mindset aimed at blaming them for all of my baggage.

Seriously though, I've been friends with men all my life who never seemed to have an issue coexisting with me. I really don't understand how you've all come to this endpoint, especially when every single MGTOW person I've come across isn't going their own way, they're obsessing and ranting over how evil women are. That's no way to live, and nobody's going to want to be with you if you're this angry and controlling.

The issue was raised. It pertains in large part to men's relations with women. I answered it.

Further to the point, "going one's own way" does not mean going off in a direction nobody else has ever gone in. It refers IMO to living in a way that recognizes the truth about female nature, and that does not subject itself to societal pressures, in particular with respect to relationships and marriage. One may always choose to engage, if one so desires. One is also free not to do so.

And since you're a woman, have you ever filed for divorce?

Btw: I have women friends. Even FWB's. I just feel no need to potentially subject myself to a legal system that has become strongly biased against men.

So here's the thing from my perspective: if you're seriously saying the entire movement is to be able to choose whether or not to engage in a relationship with a woman, why do you pretend that's anything other than being entirely normal? None of us are required to be in a relationship with anyone, it's just most people don't pretend that lack of obligation is 1, a fault, or 2, the fault of the people we're primarily attracted to.

As to the divorce question, I've been divorced from my ex who realised she was straight. I'm not sure where you're going with this, but I imagine since you clearly missed me saying I was gay before you were trying to gotcha me re: the legal system being stacked in my favour. Sorry for the letdown

Do you tell these beliefs to your female friends, let alone women you hook up with regularly? Because if so I'm fascinated with why they would subject themselves to being with someone who believes he's being oppressed by them.

[Atheris]

In all honesty, I'm bisexual (although I'd consider myself more heteroflexible).

[Green October Z]

Bi, or pan if we really wanna get into technicalities here. Leaning gay.

words of wisdom: don't repress your sexuality, kids. it's damaging to your psyche and development, even if you're an adult. no matter how much you have reactionary minded people calling you "degenerate", just don't listen to them.

How can I repress my sexuality when I had none to begin with

[Sylh Alanor]

Bi, or pan if we really wanna get into technicalities here. Leaning gay.

words of wisdom: don't repress your sexuality, kids. it's damaging to your psyche and development, even if you're an adult. no matter how much you have reactionary minded people calling you "degenerate", just don't listen to them.

How can I repress my sexuality when I had none to begin with

Probably by trying to force yourself to behave in a socially-expected way in terms of sex. Having sex with people you weren't attracted to when you really didn't want to for the approval of others.

Ace/Grey-Ace repression is still possible even if it's just different

[Green October Z]

How can I repress my sexuality when I had none to begin with

Probably by trying to force yourself to behave in a socially-expected way in terms of sex. Having sex with people you weren't attracted to when you really didn't want to for the approval of others.

Ace/Grey-Ace repression is still possible even if it's just different

Yeah you got a point there. I mean I am capable of it, but I don't really get any physical pleasure from it. Though I do get some emotional pleasure since it makes me feel closer to the one I love. It's still pretty draining though to the point to where I really don't like doing it on a regular basis. Both of my relationships have failed at least partially because of this.

[Sylh Alanor]

Probably by trying to force yourself to behave in a socially-expected way in terms of sex. Having sex with people you weren't attracted to when you really didn't want to for the approval of others.

Ace/Grey-Ace repression is still possible even if it's just different

Yeah you got a point there. I mean I am capable of it, but I don't really get any physical pleasure from it. Though I do get some emotional pleasure since it makes me feel closer to the one I love. It's still pretty draining though to the point to where I really don't like doing it on a regular basis. Both of my relationships have failed at least partially because of this.

I feel that. I tried going along with things in previous relationships and it was kind of heartbreaking, wondering what was wrong with me because I didn't enjoy it. If you keep looking and you're honest and upfront with potential partners about your needs, you'll find someone. <3 I know it's a bit of a tired statement at this point, but it gets better.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I love that, when faced with a claim that MGTOW people are obsessed with women even more than anyone else, you gave me 238 words talking nonstop about women. I've never had problems with women, but I also am one so maybe I don't enter the relationship with a mindset aimed at blaming them for all of my baggage.

Seriously though, I've been friends with men all my life who never seemed to have an issue coexisting with me. I really don't understand how you've all come to this endpoint, especially when every single MGTOW person I've come across isn't going their own way, they're obsessing and ranting over how evil women are. That's no way to live, and nobody's going to want to be with you if you're this angry and controlling.

The issue was raised. It pertains in large part to men's relations with women. I answered it.

Further to the point, "going one's own way" does not mean going off in a direction nobody else has ever gone in. It refers IMO to living in a way that recognizes the truth about female nature, and that does not subject itself to societal pressures, in particular with respect to relationships and marriage. One may always choose to engage, if one so desires. One is also free not to do so.

And since you're a woman, have you ever filed for divorce?

Btw: I have women friends. Even FWB's. I just feel no need to potentially subject myself to a legal system that has become strongly biased against men.

If you really want to go your own way, I recommend joining the first wave of space colonists going to distant lands away from the trappings of society! Just wait for Mars to become habitable.

[Green October Z]

Yeah you got a point there. I mean I am capable of it, but I don't really get any physical pleasure from it. Though I do get some emotional pleasure since it makes me feel closer to the one I love. It's still pretty draining though to the point to where I really don't like doing it on a regular basis. Both of my relationships have failed at least partially because of this.

I feel that. I tried going along with things in previous relationships and it was kind of heartbreaking, wondering what was wrong with me because I didn't enjoy it. If you keep looking and you're honest and upfront with potential partners about your needs, you'll find someone. <3 I know it's a bit of a tired statement at this point, but it gets better.

Thanks. It really sucks being asexual, but not aromantic. I remember my first girlfriend actually cheated on me because of it

[Sylh Alanor]

I feel that. I tried going along with things in previous relationships and it was kind of heartbreaking, wondering what was wrong with me because I didn't enjoy it. If you keep looking and you're honest and upfront with potential partners about your needs, you'll find someone. <3 I know it's a bit of a tired statement at this point, but it gets better.

Thanks. It really sucks being asexual, but not aromantic. I remember my first girlfriend actually cheated on me because of it

I had the same experience, it can be extremely rough, especially when you don't understand everything about yourself yet and can't tell your partner what your needs are.

Ooh ooh that reminds me, have you played The Outer Worlds? There's a companion in the game who's ace but not aro and I'd die for her. It was actually really awesome having that level of representation in a game.

[Green October Z]

Thanks. It really sucks being asexual, but not aromantic. I remember my first girlfriend actually cheated on me because of it

I had the same experience, it can be extremely rough, especially when you don't understand everything about yourself yet and can't tell your partner what your needs are.

Ooh ooh that reminds me, have you played The Outer Worlds? There's a companion in the game who's ace but not aro and I'd die for her. It was actually really awesome having that level of representation in a game.

I haven't, but that definitely sounds interesting

[MGTOWia]

So here's the thing from my perspective: if you're seriously saying the entire movement is to be able to choose whether or not to engage in a relationship with a woman, why do you pretend that's anything other than being entirely normal? None of us are required to be in a relationship with anyone, it's just most people don't pretend that lack of obligation is 1, a fault, or 2, the fault of the people we're primarily attracted to.

The point isn't simply to be able to choose, it's to be able to choose with full knowledge of the risks one will be taking in doing so. Society most certainly does not prepare men for that reality. Hence, MGTOW.

As to the divorce question, I've been divorced from my ex who realised she was straight. I'm not sure where you're going with this, but I imagine since you clearly missed me saying I was gay before you were trying to gotcha me re: the legal system being stacked in my favour. Sorry for the letdown

I do not normally vet the backgrounds of those who post responses to my posts. In your case, obviously anti-male court bias wouldn't apply.

Do you tell these beliefs to your female friends, let alone women you hook up with regularly? Because if so I'm fascinated with why they would subject themselves to being with someone who believes he's being oppressed by them.

My female friends know I'm on the right. Most of them are too. My FWB's also are not interested in doing anything other than having an occasional good time, so the issue wouldn't even arise.

As for "being oppressed by them", no, they individually do not do so. The misandric legal system that feminists have in large part created, however, remains in place. If they wanted to, and if I were foolish enough to put myself in a position that would allow it, they could turn that legal system against me or any other man. For any reason or no reason. I repeat: it may be that "not all women are like that" (the NAWALT argument), but all women CAN BE like that, any time they want. Men, look out when that happens. Or better yet, don't set yourselves up for that to happen.

[Cekoviu]

So here's the thing from my perspective: if you're seriously saying the entire movement is to be able to choose whether or not to engage in a relationship with a woman, why do you pretend that's anything other than being entirely normal? None of us are required to be in a relationship with anyone, it's just most people don't pretend that lack of obligation is 1, a fault, or 2, the fault of the people we're primarily attracted to.

The point isn't simply to be able to choose, it's to be able to choose with full knowledge of the risks one will be taking in doing so. Society most certainly does not prepare men for that reality. Hence, MGTOW.

As to the divorce question, I've been divorced from my ex who realised she was straight. I'm not sure where you're going with this, but I imagine since you clearly missed me saying I was gay before you were trying to gotcha me re: the legal system being stacked in my favour. Sorry for the letdown

I do not normally vet the backgrounds of those who post responses to my posts. In your case, obviously anti-male court bias wouldn't apply.

Do you tell these beliefs to your female friends, let alone women you hook up with regularly? Because if so I'm fascinated with why they would subject themselves to being with someone who believes he's being oppressed by them.

My female friends know I'm on the right. Most of them are too. My FWB's also are not interested in doing anything other than having an occasional good time, so the issue wouldn't even arise.

As for "being oppressed by them", no, they individually do not do so. The misandric legal system that feminists have in large part created, however, remains in place. If they wanted to, and if I were foolish enough to put myself in a position that would allow it, they could turn that legal system against me or any other man. For any reason or no reason. I repeat: it may be that "not all women are like that" (the NAWALT argument), but all women CAN BE like that, any time they want. Men, look out when that happens. Or better yet, don't set yourselves up for that to happen.

Take a good look, ladies -- this is why we should hate men!

[Sylh Alanor]

The point isn't simply to be able to choose, it's to be able to choose with full knowledge of the risks one will be taking in doing so. Society most certainly does not prepare men for that reality. Hence, MGTOW.



I do not normally vet the backgrounds of those who post responses to my posts. In your case, obviously anti-male court bias wouldn't apply.



My female friends know I'm on the right. Most of them are too. My FWB's also are not interested in doing anything other than having an occasional good time, so the issue wouldn't even arise.

As for "being oppressed by them", no, they individually do not do so. The misandric legal system that feminists have in large part created, however, remains in place. If they wanted to, and if I were foolish enough to put myself in a position that would allow it, they could turn that legal system against me or any other man. For any reason or no reason. I repeat: it may be that "not all women are like that" (the NAWALT argument), but all women CAN BE like that, any time they want. Men, look out when that happens. Or better yet, don't set yourselves up for that to happen.

Take a good look, ladies -- this is why we should hate men!

I always love your flags btw.

This guy's insane and we can probably just ignore him from this point.

[Cekoviu]

Take a good look, ladies -- this is why we should hate men!

I always love your flags btw.

This guy's insane and we can probably just ignore him from this point.

Thanks and yes

[VVerkia]

I can't hate. Hate have no real meaning