Why do Christianity and conservatism go hand-in-hand?

[New haven america]

Because long ago America was most popularly settled by the Puritans, a conservative Christian extremist group that are comparable to the modern day Taliban or ISIS in their extremist beliefs and practices, which lead to Christianity being a major player within the creation and founding of the nation. but has since waned from 300-400 years ago.

So that ideological stain still exists in America, and has bled its way through to most smaller communities within the nation (Small towns and cities that aren't part of a metro or suburb area), where conservativism will be more likely to appear as there would naturally be less differing ideals or people groups in those areas, and as such they'll more fond of aspects of the past, and one of those major aspect of the past is conservative Christianity.

Also, Christianity and Conservatism aren't really big fans of LGBT people, out of wedlock sex, gender equality, etc... So they naturally gel together.

[New haven america]

Republicans do that, sure.

Not sure if any of them are truly Christians. They seem to support the use of guns.

Christianity's perfectly fine with self defense as long as your life's in danger, regardless of weapon used. (Also, Guns didn't exist in the Roman Era)

And yeah, no, most Republicans shouldn't be called Christians, most of them are just pandering to the Conservative Christian base.

[Imperial Joseon]

Christianity's perfectly fine with self defense as long as your life's in danger, regardless of weapon used. (Also, Guns didn't exist in the Roman Era)

And yeah, no, most Republicans shouldn't be called Christians, most of them are just pandering to the Conservative Christian base.

One thing I'm concerned is that God told us not to murder in one of the Ten Commandments. Using guns might accidentally lead to murder. What I mean is, there's a risk of doing that.

[New haven america]

Christianity's perfectly fine with self defense as long as your life's in danger, regardless of weapon used. (Also, Guns didn't exist in the Roman Era)

And yeah, no, most Republicans shouldn't be called Christians, most of them are just pandering to the Conservative Christian base.

One thing I'm concerned is that God told us not to murder in one of the Ten Commandments. Using guns might accidentally lead to murder. What I mean is, there's a risk of doing that.

The NT is fine with murder as long as it's for self defense. Not war funnily enough, which is why the Catholic Church had such problems fighting in the crusades, because no one felt like it and there was nothing in the Bible saying killing as a soldier was ok.

So did spears and crossbows, the NT was again, made in a time where guns didn't exist.

[Salus Maior]

One thing I'm concerned is that God told us not to murder in one of the Ten Commandments. Using guns might accidentally lead to murder. What I mean is, there's a risk of doing that.

The NT is fine with murder as long as it's for self defense. Not war funnily enough, which is why the Catholic Church had such problems fighting in the crusades, because no one felt like it and there was nothing in the Bible saying killing as a soldier was ok.

So did spears and crossbows, the NT was again, made in a time where guns didn't exist.

It's not murder if its self-defense.

[Imperial Joseon]

One thing I'm concerned is that God told us not to murder in one of the Ten Commandments. Using guns might accidentally lead to murder. What I mean is, there's a risk of doing that.

The NT is fine with murder as long as it's for self defense. Not war funnily enough, which is why the Catholic Church had such problems fighting in the crusades, because no one felt like it and there was nothing in the Bible saying killing as a soldier was ok.

So did spears and crossbows, the NT was again, made in a time where guns didn't exist.

The Ten Commandments were delcared in a broad term, as to not murder. That is shown in Exodus. One can always use dialogue. As for the guns, as long as the victim lives, then it's okay.

[The Sladerstan]

Christianity's perfectly fine with self defense as long as your life's in danger, regardless of weapon used. (Also, Guns didn't exist in the Roman Era)

And yeah, no, most Republicans shouldn't be called Christians, most of them are just pandering to the Conservative Christian base.

One thing I'm concerned is that God told us not to murder in one of the Ten Commandments. Using guns might accidentally lead to murder. What I mean is, there's a risk of doing that.

Well using anything could "accidentally" lead to murder. I mean, we could say Cars can lead to murder, or a knife, or a toaster

It's not the item that causes it, it's who is using it. There's a risk with everything.

[Imperial Joseon]

One thing I'm concerned is that God told us not to murder in one of the Ten Commandments. Using guns might accidentally lead to murder. What I mean is, there's a risk of doing that.

Well using anything could "accidentally" lead to murder. I mean, we could say Cars can lead to murder, or a knife, or a toaster

It's not the item that causes it, it's who is using it. There's a risk with everything.

True, I give you that.

[The Sladerstan]

The NT is fine with murder as long as it's for self defense. Not war funnily enough, which is why the Catholic Church had such problems fighting in the crusades, because no one felt like it and there was nothing in the Bible saying killing as a soldier was ok.

So did spears and crossbows, the NT was again, made in a time where guns didn't exist.

The Ten Commandments were delcared in a broad term, as to not murder. That is shown in Exodus. One can always use dialogue. As for the guns, as long as the victim lives, then it's okay.

Yes, do not murder. It does not say "Do not kill." as some translations word it.

This is what the Bible says about self defense.

Exodus 22:2-3
2 If a thief is found breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there shall be no bloodguilt for him, 3 but if the sun has risen on him, there shall be bloodguilt for him. He shall surely pay. If he has nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

[Imperial Joseon]

The Ten Commandments were delcared in a broad term, as to not murder. That is shown in Exodus. One can always use dialogue. As for the guns, as long as the victim lives, then it's okay.

Yes, do not murder. It does not say "Do not kill." as some translations word it.

This is what the Bible says about self defense.

Exodus 22:2-3
2 If a thief is found breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there shall be no bloodguilt for him, 3 but if the sun has risen on him, there shall be bloodguilt for him. He shall surely pay. If he has nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

Confirmed. You made a valid point. I won't complain about it anymore. Thanks. (No sarcasm intended.)

[A Rossy]

One interesting exception was in 1919 during the chaos of the Irish war of Independence. In the city of Limerick a Soviet was created by striking workers against British rule, this happened in Ireland a lot during this period but this is the most famous. This Soviet gained a lot of American and British media attention as many of the media were gathered in the city for a transatlantic air race. Ruth Russel of the Chicago Tribune wrote on the religiosity of the strike committee, she commented "the bells of the nearby St. Munchin's Church tolled the Angelus and all the red-badged guards rose and blessed themselves." While these workers were striking in the name of socialism, they stayed true to the strong Catholic faith of Ireland. The Soviet did not last, and many who had rose up continued to fight, this time as simple Irish Republicans like the rest of Ireland rather then Socialists. It poses an interesting question though, can Socialism and some branch of Christianity survive? Venezuela continues to be vastly majority Catholic while being an effective Socialist dictatorship since the Bolivarian revolution.

[Albrenia]

Exodus 22:2-3
2 If a thief is found breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there shall be no bloodguilt for him, 3 but if the sun has risen on him, there shall be bloodguilt for him. He shall surely pay. If he has nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

*squint*

My Bible lingo is a bit rusty, but am I right that roughly translated that means:

"If someone's in the process of robbing you and you kill them it's all good but you can't hunt them down and kill them for robbing you at a later time. Thieves should be fined, and if they can't pay sold into slavery."

That's how I'd read it, anyways. I'm nothing near a Theologian though.

[The Sladerstan]

Exodus 22:2-3
2 If a thief is found breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there shall be no bloodguilt for him, 3 but if the sun has risen on him, there shall be bloodguilt for him. He shall surely pay. If he has nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

*squint*

My Bible lingo is a bit rusty, but am I right that roughly translated that means:

"If someone's in the process of robbing you and you kill them it's all good but you can't hunt them down and kill them for robbing you at a later time. Thieves should be fined, and if they can't pay sold into slavery."

That's how I'd read it, anyways. I'm nothing near a Theologian though.

Well, yeah.

[New haven america]

The NT is fine with murder as long as it's for self defense. Not war funnily enough, which is why the Catholic Church had such problems fighting in the crusades, because no one felt like it and there was nothing in the Bible saying killing as a soldier was ok.

So did spears and crossbows, the NT was again, made in a time where guns didn't exist.

It's not murder if its self-defense.

Killing someone else is murder regardless of the reason behind it, it's only what society has deemed acceptable reasons for murder that makes the difference.

Self-defense and mercy killings are seen mostly as fine, while murder without reason or just because someone wanted to is not.

[Imperial Joseon]

It's not murder if its self-defense.

Killing someone else is murder regardless of the reason behind it, it's only what society has deemed acceptable reasons for murder that makes the difference.

Self-defense and mercy killings are seen mostly as fine, while murder without reason or just because someone wanted to is not.

New Haven's right; Salus, you seem to be wrong, in my opinion.

[Tarchuna and Ravenna]

It's not murder if its self-defense.

Killing someone else is murder regardless of the reason behind it, it's only what society has deemed acceptable reasons for murder that makes the difference.

Self-defense and mercy killings are seen mostly as fine, while murder without reason or just because someone wanted to is not.

How is it murder when one was actively attempting to kill another, but is killed themselves in the process?

[Albrenia]

I guess it depends on how one defines 'murder'.

I've no idea what the hypothetical God's definition of 'murder' was.

[Imperial Joseon]

Killing someone else is murder regardless of the reason behind it, it's only what society has deemed acceptable reasons for murder that makes the difference.

Self-defense and mercy killings are seen mostly as fine, while murder without reason or just because someone wanted to is not.

How is it murder when one was actively attempting to kill another, but is killed themselves in the process?

If one is killed by someone, then the latter committed murder.

[New haven america]

Killing someone else is murder regardless of the reason behind it, it's only what society has deemed acceptable reasons for murder that makes the difference.

Self-defense and mercy killings are seen mostly as fine, while murder without reason or just because someone wanted to is not.

How is it murder when one was actively attempting to kill another, but is killed themselves in the process?

Because said self-defender killed another person.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Killing someone else is murder regardless of the reason behind it

This is objectively false, it's not even a matter of opinion.

[Auze]

Except neither Hellenic nor Roman Civilizations survived the first millennia and Celtic and Germanic Civilizations exploded into a number of proto-cultures that only became tangible cultures after the Christianization of the European Mainland.

Pretty sure much of European culture is also based off of the hellenic and Roman civilizations so to say they didn't survive isn't exactly accurate.

Christianity is foreign to europe. It's founders were middle eastern in origin. Christianity may have had an important role in European culture, but if your opposition to Islam is "it's a foreign invasion into europe," practicing a religion that also is foreign to europe isn't a great way to make the case for cultural preservation. If Europe can be European under Christianity, it can be European under Islam and anything else, the evidence itself being Albania and Bosnia

Once you get past literally Christ himself, Christianity was primarily based in Anatolia & Greece and was about as European as the Hellenic religions were (they also borrowed a ton from the middle east). The New Testament was literally first written in Koine Greek. Compare to Islam, which has been primarily Arabic from day 1 and remains so. Albania and Bosnia have only been Islamic for about 400-500 years and still have large Christian populations. Saying that Islam is as foreign is definitely untrue.

[Salus Maior]

It's not murder if its self-defense.

Killing someone else is murder regardless of the reason behind it, it's only what society has deemed acceptable reasons for murder that makes the difference.

Self-defense and mercy killings are seen mostly as fine, while murder without reason or just because someone wanted to is not.

Murder and Self defense are two completely different definitions of killing.

Murder is an unjustified, immoral, and/or unlawful form of killing. Self defense is the preservation of oneself through the use of deadly force when under attack.

You might as well be saying "tax is theft".

[Imperial Joseon]

Killing someone else is murder regardless of the reason behind it, it's only what society has deemed acceptable reasons for murder that makes the difference.

Self-defense and mercy killings are seen mostly as fine, while murder without reason or just because someone wanted to is not.

Murder and Self defense are two completely different definitions of killing.

Murder is an unjustified, immoral, and/or unlawful form of killing. Self defense is the preservation of oneself through the use of deadly force when under attack.

You might as well be saying "tax is theft".

Self-defense
the defense of one's person or interests, especially through the use of physical force, which is permitted in certain cases as an answer to a charge of violent crime.

Murder
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.


Both can overlap.

[Salus Maior]

Murder and Self defense are two completely different definitions of killing.

Murder is an unjustified, immoral, and/or unlawful form of killing. Self defense is the preservation of oneself through the use of deadly force when under attack.

You might as well be saying "tax is theft".

Self-defense
the defense of one's person or interests, especially through the use of physical force, which is permitted in certain cases as an answer to a charge of violent crime.

Murder
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.


Both can overlap.

You can't premeditate self-defense. Self-defense is something done in the moment.

So no, it can't overlap.

[Imperial Joseon]

You can't premeditate self-defense. Self-defense is something done in the moment.

So no, it can't overlap.

Yes, you can. You can say that you know someone's after you, and you need to defend.