Why do Christianity and conservatism go hand-in-hand?

[Panslav]

Religion almost always correlates with tradition. If we view Progress/Tradition as a Left/Right slider. Then Conservatism would be Center-Right, while Religion would encompass the whole right half of the spectrum. (there might be some religious teachings that are in the left half, but i am talking in general).

[Red Roja]

For the same reasons that Islam and terrorism do.

[Nakena]

Liberation Theology disagrees with this thread and used to be a fairly big thing in Latin America until the church cracked down on it.

[Nuroblav]

Catholicism only recently said to Islam "ight, we straight," and we're talking about Christianity and conservatism in america, where many Christian conservatives are evangelicals, and not so coincidentally, also islamaphobes.

Ah I see

[Nakena]

It's ironic because Christianity is as foreign to Europe as Islam is. If one really wanted to uphold "European" culture, the absolute best way would be to become a neo-pagan, since those beliefs are the native beliefs of the European peoples

Except that's not at all correct. As much as the "Jewish Cult" meme can be funny when you want to dab on a conservative or something, it's simply wrong. While pagan revivalism is -and has been- a popular method of "reviving a culture" (See: the Baltic States and the Romuva faith), most -if not all- modern European cultures, in their modern form, were built upon something to do with Christianity. Spain, Portugal, the Netherlands and Poland are just more obvious than some others.

The christian distorsion is however alien to europe as much as islam is foreign to Iran. Thousend of years of hostile exposure nothwithstanding.

[The Alma Mater]

Except that's not at all correct. As much as the "Jewish Cult" meme can be funny when you want to dab on a conservative or something, it's simply wrong. While pagan revivalism is -and has been- a popular method of "reviving a culture" (See: the Baltic States and the Romuva faith), most -if not all- modern European cultures, in their modern form, were built upon something to do with Christianity. Spain, Portugal, the Netherlands and Poland are just more obvious than some others.

The christian distorsion is however alien to europe as much as islam is foreign to Iran. Thousend of years of hostile exposure nothwithstanding.

Of course, humans are also alien to Europe. Thousands of years of hostile exposure nothwithstanding.

[North German Realm]

Except that's not at all correct. As much as the "Jewish Cult" meme can be funny when you want to dab on a conservative or something, it's simply wrong. While pagan revivalism is -and has been- a popular method of "reviving a culture" (See: the Baltic States and the Romuva faith), most -if not all- modern European cultures, in their modern form, were built upon something to do with Christianity. Spain, Portugal, the Netherlands and Poland are just more obvious than some others.

The christian distorsion is however alien to europe as much as islam is foreign to Iran. Thousend of years of hostile exposure nothwithstanding.

The two issues are similar, but only in the ways you didn't intend them to be, because you're wrong. Iran had a civilization before Islam, but Iran as we know it traces its origins as a modern nation to the Safavid Empire -which is decidedly religious in nature. Similarly, there were many civilizations in Europe, but apart from like, one or two (and even that is only true in a national revivalist viewpoint) practically all of the current civilizations in Europe are either Christian in origin (Spain, Portugal, Poland, etc.) or were designed around Christianity (the Dutch culture being an example). Appealing to my Iranian Nationalism and poor opinion on Islam doesn't change that.

[The Alma Mater]

The christian distorsion is however alien to europe as much as islam is foreign to Iran. Thousend of years of hostile exposure nothwithstanding.

The two issues are similar, but only in the ways you didn't intend them to be, because you're wrong. Iran had a civilization before Islam, but Iran as we know it traces its origins as a modern nation to the Safavid Empire -which is decidedly religious in nature. Similarly, there were many civilizations in Europe, but apart from like, one or two (and even that is only true in a national revivalist viewpoint) practically all of the current civilizations in Europe are either Christian in origin (Spain, Portugal, Poland, etc.) or were designed around Christianity (the Dutch culture being an example). Appealing to my Iranian Nationalism and poor opinion on Islam doesn't change that.

Nitpick: while christianity certainly played a significant role in Dutch culture capitalism had a tendency to win.
To rephrase: if a Dutchman needed to spit on a Bible to get a deal, he would.

[Nakena]

The christian distorsion is however alien to europe as much as islam is foreign to Iran. Thousend of years of hostile exposure nothwithstanding.

The two issues are similar, but only in the ways you didn't intend them to be, because you're wrong. Iran had a civilization before Islam, but Iran as we know it traces its origins as a modern nation to the Safavid Empire -which is decidedly religious in nature. Similarly, there were many civilizations in Europe, but apart from like, one or two (and even that is only true in a national revivalist viewpoint) practically all of the current civilizations in Europe are either Christian in origin (Spain, Portugal, Poland, etc.) or were designed around Christianity (the Dutch culture being an example). Appealing to my Iranian Nationalism and poor opinion on Islam doesn't change that.

No there were (at least) four european civilizations before christianity: Hellenic, Roman, Celtic and Germanic. With the roman gaining the supremacy over the other over a course of several centuries and merging with them. Spain, Portugal, France etc as most other modern european nations are in one way or another descendants of the roman civilization by proxy or in direct line, which was also the one being switching it's religion to christianity.

[Holy Tedalonia]

The modern day protestant christianity suffers from an attitude of "it's my job to save you from your sins," instead of "please let me save you from your sins and heal you." It's gotten to the point many protestant churches now mimic the failures of the Catholic corruption that caused them to break away in the first place. Conservatism is a byproduct of that, choosing to stick with dogma and refusing to engage or consider new ideas.

[North German Realm]

The two issues are similar, but only in the ways you didn't intend them to be, because you're wrong. Iran had a civilization before Islam, but Iran as we know it traces its origins as a modern nation to the Safavid Empire -which is decidedly religious in nature. Similarly, there were many civilizations in Europe, but apart from like, one or two (and even that is only true in a national revivalist viewpoint) practically all of the current civilizations in Europe are either Christian in origin (Spain, Portugal, Poland, etc.) or were designed around Christianity (the Dutch culture being an example). Appealing to my Iranian Nationalism and poor opinion on Islam doesn't change that.

No there were (at least) four european civilizations before christianity: Hellenic, Roman, Celtic and Germanic. With the roman gaining the supremacy over the other over a course of several centuries and merging with them. Spain, Portugal, France etc as most other modern european nations are in one way or another descendants of the roman civilization by proxy or in direct line, which was also the one being switching it's religion to christianity.

Except neither Hellenic nor Roman Civilizations survived the first millennia and Celtic and Germanic Civilizations exploded into a number of proto-cultures that only became tangible cultures after the Christianization of the European Mainland.

[Cetacea]

Progressive values don't really gel that well with Biblical teachings from a lot of viewpoints. Homosexuality, women's equality, fornication outside of marriage, abortion and so on are all rather difficult to marry with more literal readings of Christianity.

They don’t gel with Pauline doctrine as espoused by the Catholic Church, but Jesus was an anti-capitalist, anti-establishment progressive who hung out with prostitutes.

Unfortunately the establishment church is a pillar of the establishment’ whose values conservatives embrace.

[Rojava Free State]

No there were (at least) four european civilizations before christianity: Hellenic, Roman, Celtic and Germanic. With the roman gaining the supremacy over the other over a course of several centuries and merging with them. Spain, Portugal, France etc as most other modern european nations are in one way or another descendants of the roman civilization by proxy or in direct line, which was also the one being switching it's religion to christianity.

Except neither Hellenic nor Roman Civilizations survived the first millennia and Celtic and Germanic Civilizations exploded into a number of proto-cultures that only became tangible cultures after the Christianization of the European Mainland.

Pretty sure much of European culture is also based off of the hellenic and Roman civilizations so to say they didn't survive isn't exactly accurate.

Christianity is foreign to europe. It's founders were middle eastern in origin. Christianity may have had an important role in European culture, but if your opposition to Islam is "it's a foreign invasion into europe," practicing a religion that also is foreign to europe isn't a great way to make the case for cultural preservation. If Europe can be European under Christianity, it can be European under Islam and anything else, the evidence itself being Albania and Bosnia

[North German Realm]

Except neither Hellenic nor Roman Civilizations survived the first millennia and Celtic and Germanic Civilizations exploded into a number of proto-cultures that only became tangible cultures after the Christianization of the European Mainland.

Pretty sure much of European culture is also based off of the hellenic and Roman civilizations so to say they didn't survive isn't exactly accurate.

Christianity is foreign to europe. It's founders were middle eastern in origin. Christianity may have had an important role in European culture, but if your opposition to Islam is "it's a foreign invasion into europe," practicing a religion that also is foreign to europe isn't a great way to make the case for cultural preservation. If Europe can be European under Christianity, it can be European under Islam and anything else, the evidence itself being Albania and Bosnia

My opposition to Islam is purely and completely based on the fact that it is Islam, not about it being foreign or otherwise. And no, literally none of the modern cultures in Europe (even Italy) are based on Rome. I mean, aside from using Roman motifs in their political tradition.

[Rojava Free State]

Pretty sure much of European culture is also based off of the hellenic and Roman civilizations so to say they didn't survive isn't exactly accurate.

Christianity is foreign to europe. It's founders were middle eastern in origin. Christianity may have had an important role in European culture, but if your opposition to Islam is "it's a foreign invasion into europe," practicing a religion that also is foreign to europe isn't a great way to make the case for cultural preservation. If Europe can be European under Christianity, it can be European under Islam and anything else, the evidence itself being Albania and Bosnia

My opposition to Islam is purely and completely based on the fact that it is Islam, not about foreign or otherwise.

Ight bet

[Excidium Planetis]

I'm not really understanding your argument here, OP.

Even if we accept your argument that the Bible promotes mistreatment of the poor... how does that relate conservatism and religiousness? What exactly is the connection here?

[Rojava Free State]

I'm not really understanding your argument here, OP.

Even if we accept your argument that the Bible promotes mistreatment of the poor... how does that relate conservatism and religiousness? What exactly is the connection here?

I mean a lot of republicans often hammer on and on about God and the bible.

[The Alma Mater]

I'm not really understanding your argument here, OP.

Even if we accept your argument that the Bible promotes mistreatment of the poor... how does that relate conservatism and religiousness? What exactly is the connection here?

I mean a lot of republicans often hammer on and on about God and the bible.

Well, ofc. Christianity is about the worship of suffering; so the existence of mistreated poor is something to cherish.

[Azmara]

Christianity, being the most common and at many times the official state religion of much of the United States and Western Europe, has been used to justify and underpin many ideologies across the political spectrum.

It can underpin social conservatism on the logic of defending traditional moral and cultural values promoted in the Bible, yet many take Jesus's messages as endorsement of socialism; Christian socialism is a long and rich ideological trend in many places. In my native UK, Methodists and Quakers were very active in early socialist movements and it was a common phrase that "the Labour Party owes more to Methodism than to Marx".

Whether one interpretation is more valid than the other is not something I feel particularly qualified to answer as I am and have grown up firmly agnostic, yet my personal democratic socialist views mean that I personally prefer the latter view.

[Nakena]

Christianity and Islam are about the worship of vengeful and all around ghasty gods who demand subjection and enslavement of man.

[Excidium Planetis]

I mean a lot of republicans often hammer on and on about God and the bible.

Okay that's a connection between Conservatism and Religion but how does that relate to OP's argument?

Well, ofc. Christianity is about the worship of suffering; so the existence of mistreated poor is something to cherish.

I think you would be hard pressed to find any Christian anywhere who would say that "the existence of mistreated poor is something to cherish".

Whether or not you perceive that to be a teaching of Christianity has no relation to the actual reasoning behind people's beliefs. Can you provide some evidence that a significant portion of Christians believe that exploitation of the poor is desirable? Otherwise it's just you projecting your view of the religion onto it's adherents rather than any actual link between the two.

[Albrenia]

Christianity and Islam are about the worship of vengeful and all around ghasty gods who demand subjection and enslavement of man.

I mean, you aren't wrong.

[Rojava Free State]

Christianity and Islam are about the worship of vengeful and all around ghasty gods who demand subjection and enslavement of man.

You know it's bad when a religion's name when translated from Arabic literally is "submission."

It's like if you go to prison and your cellmate's nickname is "El Diablo."

[Salus Maior]

Progressive values don't really gel that well with Biblical teachings from a lot of viewpoints. Homosexuality, women's equality, fornication outside of marriage, abortion and so on are all rather difficult to marry with more literal readings of Christianity.

They don’t gel with Pauline doctrine as espoused by the Catholic Church, but Jesus was an anti-capitalist, anti-establishment progressive who hung out with prostitutes.

Unfortunately the establishment church is a pillar of the establishment’ whose values conservatives embrace.

Because prostitutes were neglected peoples that He was extending a hand to, in order to reform them. He never asserted that what they were doing was right. Christ was not anti-establishment, and in fact He said that the Temple was a valid authority, but the personal holiness of the Pharisees was lacking because of their hypocrisy and failure to fulfill the Law in its entirety. And, of course, Christ also established the Church by instructing the Apostles to build the Church, and named Peter the head of said Church. Not to mention, that Christ was not a "progressive" in the sense that you're trying to shoe-horn onto Him, as He taught that divorce was immoral, the nature of marriage was heterosexual, and even looking at someone lustfully was a wrongdoing equal to adultery. As for being "anti-capitalist", it's hard to be that when capitalism doesn't exist yet, although certainly the economic world we live in now is a nightmare full of unchecked greed that spits in the face of what Christ taught.

It's almost as if shoving the modern perception of politics on a first century religious teacher is bound to fail.

And somehow I don't get the impression that you know much about "Pauline doctrine" beyond its use as a political buzzword. What Paul writes in his Epistles are not in conflict with what Christ teaches in the Gospels.

[Tabor-Zion]

This question kind of misunderstands the concepts. There's liberal Christianity and there's conservative Christianity just as there's liberal politics and conservative politics. Conservative Christianity (based on the authority and inerrancy of the Bible) view social matters in such light and is therefore the same in conservative politics (such as gay marriage, abortion, etc.) whereas liberal Christianity disregards the authority and inerrancy of the Bible and leads to the liberal views of modern politics on the issues