ASEAN Discussion Thread

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[Region of Dwipantara]

I hear quite a few radical Islamists stay in or around Aceh.

I mean, literally the provincial government adopts the sharia as its law, in direct violation to Indonesia's founding philosophy. This special status is granted to placate the separatist Islamist rebels (who are now already absorbed and intimately involved in local politics), thus ending the brutal separatist wars that have gone for decades – one who literally needs the single worst tsunamy in recorded history in order for peace to be possible.

Now instead of bombing and shooting, the Acehnese can happily develop their region and brutally torture their gay population in peace. This is necessary since if they don't enforce Islamic laws, Allah will become angry and send natural disasters as punishment for disobedience. And for now let's ignore the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunamy, since it might throw the whole "Allah loves faithful Muslims" narrative into disarray. As the saying goes: "a disaster is Allah's test if the victims are in the same server, and Allah's punishment if they're in a different server".

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

I hear quite a few radical Islamists stay in or around Aceh.

I mean, literally the provincial government adopts the sharia as its law, in direct violation to Indonesia's founding philosophy. This special status is granted to placate the separatist Islamist rebels (who are now already absorbed and intimately involved in local politics), thus ending the brutal separatist wars that have gone for decades – one who literally needs the single worst tsunamy in recorded history in order for peace to be possible.

Now instead of bombing and shooting, the Acehnese can happily develop their region and brutally torture their gay population in peace. This is necessary since if they don't enforce Islamic laws, Allah will become angry and send natural disasters as punishment for disobedience. And for now let's ignore the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunamy, since it might throw the whole "Allah loves faithful Muslims" narrative into disarray. As the saying goes: "a disaster is Allah's test if the victims are in the same server, and Allah's punishment if they're in a different server".

I love your use of server haha. I never understood why disasters would be God/Allah/what other gods' punishments. Filipinos are really devout and very religious (I am not, however) yet we get hit by at least 20 typhoons. Do these people ever think about weather or other conditions being the cause instead of "We sin, so God punish," especially now that science has reasonable proof for such.

We must be the most sinful people on Earth

[Glorious Hong Kong]

I mean, literally the provincial government adopts the sharia as its law, in direct violation to Indonesia's founding philosophy. This special status is granted to placate the separatist Islamist rebels (who are now already absorbed and intimately involved in local politics), thus ending the brutal separatist wars that have gone for decades – one who literally needs the single worst tsunamy in recorded history in order for peace to be possible.

Now instead of bombing and shooting, the Acehnese can happily develop their region and brutally torture their gay population in peace. This is necessary since if they don't enforce Islamic laws, Allah will become angry and send natural disasters as punishment for disobedience. And for now let's ignore the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunamy, since it might throw the whole "Allah loves faithful Muslims" narrative into disarray. As the saying goes: "a disaster is Allah's test if the victims are in the same server, and Allah's punishment if they're in a different server".

I love your use of server haha. I never understood why disasters would be God/Allah/what other gods' punishments. Filipinos are really devout and very religious (I am not, however) yet we get hit by at least 20 typhoons. Do these people ever think about weather or other conditions being the cause instead of "We sin, so God punish," especially now that science has reasonable proof for such.

We must be the most sinful people on Earth

Per capita, the Philippines must be the most disaster-prone country in the world with a population of more than one million. I read on Wikipedia that the east side of Luzon is sparsely populated because of all the typhoons.

Anyway, our Minister was slapped with a measly RM1000 fine and apologized for breaching the terms of his quarantine.

Minister fined RM1,000 for breaching quarantine, will give up May-Aug salary

Published 4:10 pm
Modified 6:05 pm
170

UPDATED 5.20PM | Added Khairuddin's pledge to donate four months of his ministerial salary to Covid-19 fund.

The Health Ministry today confirmed that Plantation, Industries and Commodities Minister Khairuddin Aman Razali had breached Covid-19 quarantine rules after he returned from Turkey on July 7.

The ministry said, as a result, Khairuddin was fined RM1,000 on Aug 7. He has since apologised and vowed to donate his ministerial salary from May to August to the country's Covid-19 fund.

"As Khairuddin failed to abide by the rules under Act 342 (Prevention and Control of Infectious Diseases Act 1988), the officer-in-charge issued an RM1,000 compound against Khairuddin on Aug 7 and he has settled the compound," the Health Ministry said in a statement today.

Khairuddin underwent a nasopharyngeal swab upon returning on July 7 and the result was negative for Covid-19. He was tested two subsequent times after, which also returned negative, it added.

The Health Ministry did not go into detail about the offence committed by the Kuala Nerus MP other than to say he had violated the Prevention and Control of Infectious Diseases (Measures within the Infected Local Areas) Regulations (Number 7) 2020 under Act 342.

In a separate statement later, the minister apologised for breaking quarantine.

"A million apologies to all Malaysians on the mistake that happened. As a minister, I am responsible for following the rules and SOPs," he said.

As an expression of him taking responsibility, Khairuddin said he would be donating his salary as a minister from May to August to the Covid-19 fund. Previously, all cabinet ministers had also given up their March and April salaries to the same fund.

The statement did not mention whether Khairuddin's entourage had also breached Covid-19 regulations and if they were fined.

Teresa Kok

The announcement came five days after Seputeh MP Teresa Kok revealed in the Dewan Rakyat that Khairuddin did not undergo quarantine upon returning to Malaysia. He attended Parliament six days later, on July 13.

The fine was dated exactly a month after his return and was only revealed 15 days after the issuance following attention given to the matter in the Dewan Rakyat.

The fine was not known when Kok raised Khairuddin's alleged offence in Parliament.

The Prevention and Control of Infectious Diseases (Measures within the Infected Local Areas) Regulations (Number 7) 2020, among others, require overseas returnees to undergo a compulsory 14-day quarantine.

All returnees must undergo a swab test for Covid-19 and be subsequently sent to a quarantine centre to carry out a 14-day isolation period.

Prior to July 24, overseas returnees who test negative must still undergo quarantine but were allowed to do so at home.

They were not allowed to leave home for 14 days and must be retested on the 13th day before their quarantine bracelet can be removed. Khairuddin allegedly did not undergo this process.

From July 24 onwards, quarantine must be done at government-designated centres. The measure was reintroduced after many violated their quarantine conditions at home.

Khairuddin's case had received national attention amid complaints that regular Malaysians are treated more harshly than VIPs.

On Aug 14, a 72-year-old woman was fined RM8,000 and given a day in jail for violating a home quarantine order. A retest found her to be positive with Covid-19.

On Aug 13, 57-year-old Nezar Mohamed Sabur Batcha was fined RM12,000 and sentenced to five months in jail for violating a home quarantine order. He was the index case for the Sivagangga cluster.

That's it. Just a RM1000 fine. No jail sentence. No offer to resign. It's just business as usual for our VIP politicians.

[New Visayan Islands]

Did somebody say "Red Chinese Manila?"

“For me, that’s nonsense. We shouldn’t give that attention because no one actually believes that we are a province of China,” Roque told a news briefing.

Says the guy people are deriding as the mouthpiece of [Let's not tempt the Wrath of Mod, shall we?].

I'd comment further on this, but what I have in mind will attract undue attention from the Mods because there is nothing I can say that will suffice in describing my reaction to this without casting decency aside.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

Did somebody say "Red Chinese Manila?"

“For me, that’s nonsense. We shouldn’t give that attention because no one actually believes that we are a province of China,” Roque told a news briefing.

Says the guy people are deriding as the mouthpiece of [Let's not tempt the Wrath of Mod, shall we?].

I'd comment further on this, but what I have in mind will attract undue attention from the Mods because there is nothing I can say that will suffice in describing my reaction to this without casting decency aside.

...now I'm curious. (Don't say it.)

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

I love your use of server haha. I never understood why disasters would be God/Allah/what other gods' punishments. Filipinos are really devout and very religious (I am not, however) yet we get hit by at least 20 typhoons. Do these people ever think about weather or other conditions being the cause instead of "We sin, so God punish," especially now that science has reasonable proof for such.

We must be the most sinful people on Earth

Per capita, the Philippines must be the most disaster-prone country in the world with a population of more than one million. I read on Wikipedia that the east side of Luzon is sparsely populated because of all the typhoons.

Anyway, our Minister was slapped with a measly RM1000 fine and apologized for breaching the terms of his quarantine.

Minister fined RM1,000 for breaching quarantine, will give up May-Aug salary

Published 4:10 pm
Modified 6:05 pm
170

UPDATED 5.20PM | Added Khairuddin's pledge to donate four months of his ministerial salary to Covid-19 fund.

The Health Ministry today confirmed that Plantation, Industries and Commodities Minister Khairuddin Aman Razali had breached Covid-19 quarantine rules after he returned from Turkey on July 7.

The ministry said, as a result, Khairuddin was fined RM1,000 on Aug 7. He has since apologised and vowed to donate his ministerial salary from May to August to the country's Covid-19 fund.

"As Khairuddin failed to abide by the rules under Act 342 (Prevention and Control of Infectious Diseases Act 1988), the officer-in-charge issued an RM1,000 compound against Khairuddin on Aug 7 and he has settled the compound," the Health Ministry said in a statement today.

Khairuddin underwent a nasopharyngeal swab upon returning on July 7 and the result was negative for Covid-19. He was tested two subsequent times after, which also returned negative, it added.

The Health Ministry did not go into detail about the offence committed by the Kuala Nerus MP other than to say he had violated the Prevention and Control of Infectious Diseases (Measures within the Infected Local Areas) Regulations (Number 7) 2020 under Act 342.

In a separate statement later, the minister apologised for breaking quarantine.

"A million apologies to all Malaysians on the mistake that happened. As a minister, I am responsible for following the rules and SOPs," he said.

As an expression of him taking responsibility, Khairuddin said he would be donating his salary as a minister from May to August to the Covid-19 fund. Previously, all cabinet ministers had also given up their March and April salaries to the same fund.

The statement did not mention whether Khairuddin's entourage had also breached Covid-19 regulations and if they were fined.

Teresa Kok

The announcement came five days after Seputeh MP Teresa Kok revealed in the Dewan Rakyat that Khairuddin did not undergo quarantine upon returning to Malaysia. He attended Parliament six days later, on July 13.

The fine was dated exactly a month after his return and was only revealed 15 days after the issuance following attention given to the matter in the Dewan Rakyat.

The fine was not known when Kok raised Khairuddin's alleged offence in Parliament.

The Prevention and Control of Infectious Diseases (Measures within the Infected Local Areas) Regulations (Number 7) 2020, among others, require overseas returnees to undergo a compulsory 14-day quarantine.

All returnees must undergo a swab test for Covid-19 and be subsequently sent to a quarantine centre to carry out a 14-day isolation period.

Prior to July 24, overseas returnees who test negative must still undergo quarantine but were allowed to do so at home.

They were not allowed to leave home for 14 days and must be retested on the 13th day before their quarantine bracelet can be removed. Khairuddin allegedly did not undergo this process.

From July 24 onwards, quarantine must be done at government-designated centres. The measure was reintroduced after many violated their quarantine conditions at home.

Khairuddin's case had received national attention amid complaints that regular Malaysians are treated more harshly than VIPs.

On Aug 14, a 72-year-old woman was fined RM8,000 and given a day in jail for violating a home quarantine order. A retest found her to be positive with Covid-19.

On Aug 13, 57-year-old Nezar Mohamed Sabur Batcha was fined RM12,000 and sentenced to five months in jail for violating a home quarantine order. He was the index case for the Sivagangga cluster.

That's it. Just a RM1000 fine. No jail sentence. No offer to resign. It's just business as usual for our VIP politicians.

Nah, Japan is more disaster prone than the Philippines, we just rank second they rank first hehehe.

World's most vulnerable cities, with population:

1st Tokyo-Yokohama, Japan (57.1 million)
2nd Manila, Philippines (34.6 million)
3rd Pearl-River Delta, China (34.5 million)
4rth Osaka-Kobe, Japan (32.1 million)
5th Jakarta, Indonesia (27.7 million)
6th Nagoya, Japan (22.9 million)
7th Kolkata, India (17.9 million)
8th Shanghai, China (16.7 million)
9th Los Angeles (16.4 million)
10th Tehran, Iran (15.6 million)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/ ... o/2833667/

However, this wikipedia list show the Philippines as the 4rth most disaster-prone country on earth while Japan is only the 18th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... aster_risk

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

I love your use of server haha. I never understood why disasters would be God/Allah/what other gods' punishments. Filipinos are really devout and very religious (I am not, however) yet we get hit by at least 20 typhoons. Do these people ever think about weather or other conditions being the cause instead of "We sin, so God punish," especially now that science has reasonable proof for such.

We must be the most sinful people on Earth

Per capita, the Philippines must be the most disaster-prone country in the world with a population of more than one million. I read on Wikipedia that the east side of Luzon is sparsely populated because of all the typhoons.

Anyway, our Minister was slapped with a measly RM1000 fine and apologized for breaching the terms of his quarantine.

Minister fined RM1,000 for breaching quarantine, will give up May-Aug salary

Published 4:10 pm
Modified 6:05 pm
170

UPDATED 5.20PM | Added Khairuddin's pledge to donate four months of his ministerial salary to Covid-19 fund.

The Health Ministry today confirmed that Plantation, Industries and Commodities Minister Khairuddin Aman Razali had breached Covid-19 quarantine rules after he returned from Turkey on July 7.

The ministry said, as a result, Khairuddin was fined RM1,000 on Aug 7. He has since apologised and vowed to donate his ministerial salary from May to August to the country's Covid-19 fund.

"As Khairuddin failed to abide by the rules under Act 342 (Prevention and Control of Infectious Diseases Act 1988), the officer-in-charge issued an RM1,000 compound against Khairuddin on Aug 7 and he has settled the compound," the Health Ministry said in a statement today.

Khairuddin underwent a nasopharyngeal swab upon returning on July 7 and the result was negative for Covid-19. He was tested two subsequent times after, which also returned negative, it added.

The Health Ministry did not go into detail about the offence committed by the Kuala Nerus MP other than to say he had violated the Prevention and Control of Infectious Diseases (Measures within the Infected Local Areas) Regulations (Number 7) 2020 under Act 342.

In a separate statement later, the minister apologised for breaking quarantine.

"A million apologies to all Malaysians on the mistake that happened. As a minister, I am responsible for following the rules and SOPs," he said.

As an expression of him taking responsibility, Khairuddin said he would be donating his salary as a minister from May to August to the Covid-19 fund. Previously, all cabinet ministers had also given up their March and April salaries to the same fund.

The statement did not mention whether Khairuddin's entourage had also breached Covid-19 regulations and if they were fined.

Teresa Kok

The announcement came five days after Seputeh MP Teresa Kok revealed in the Dewan Rakyat that Khairuddin did not undergo quarantine upon returning to Malaysia. He attended Parliament six days later, on July 13.

The fine was dated exactly a month after his return and was only revealed 15 days after the issuance following attention given to the matter in the Dewan Rakyat.

The fine was not known when Kok raised Khairuddin's alleged offence in Parliament.

The Prevention and Control of Infectious Diseases (Measures within the Infected Local Areas) Regulations (Number 7) 2020, among others, require overseas returnees to undergo a compulsory 14-day quarantine.

All returnees must undergo a swab test for Covid-19 and be subsequently sent to a quarantine centre to carry out a 14-day isolation period.

Prior to July 24, overseas returnees who test negative must still undergo quarantine but were allowed to do so at home.

They were not allowed to leave home for 14 days and must be retested on the 13th day before their quarantine bracelet can be removed. Khairuddin allegedly did not undergo this process.

From July 24 onwards, quarantine must be done at government-designated centres. The measure was reintroduced after many violated their quarantine conditions at home.

Khairuddin's case had received national attention amid complaints that regular Malaysians are treated more harshly than VIPs.

On Aug 14, a 72-year-old woman was fined RM8,000 and given a day in jail for violating a home quarantine order. A retest found her to be positive with Covid-19.

On Aug 13, 57-year-old Nezar Mohamed Sabur Batcha was fined RM12,000 and sentenced to five months in jail for violating a home quarantine order. He was the index case for the Sivagangga cluster.

That's it. Just a RM1000 fine. No jail sentence. No offer to resign. It's just business as usual for our VIP politicians.

Oh that sucks, Corrupt people are all over ASEAN!

[Glorious Hong Kong]

Per capita, the Philippines must be the most disaster-prone country in the world with a population of more than one million. I read on Wikipedia that the east side of Luzon is sparsely populated because of all the typhoons.

Anyway, our Minister was slapped with a measly RM1000 fine and apologized for breaching the terms of his quarantine.

That's it. Just a RM1000 fine. No jail sentence. No offer to resign. It's just business as usual for our VIP politicians.

Nah, Japan is more disaster prone than the Philippines, we just rank second they rank first hehehe.

World's most vulnerable cities, with population:

1st Tokyo-Yokohama, Japan (57.1 million)
2nd Manila, Philippines (34.6 million)
3rd Pearl-River Delta, China (34.5 million)
4rth Osaka-Kobe, Japan (32.1 million)
5th Jakarta, Indonesia (27.7 million)
6th Nagoya, Japan (22.9 million)
7th Kolkata, India (17.9 million)
8th Shanghai, China (16.7 million)
9th Los Angeles (16.4 million)
10th Tehran, Iran (15.6 million)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/ ... o/2833667/

However, this wikipedia list show the Philippines as the 4rth most disaster-prone country on earth while Japan is only the 18th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... aster_risk

Hmm. Hong Kong (Pearl River Delta) has always seemed perfectly impervious to typhoons to me. A max-level super typhoon typically results in 0-1 casualties and, at worst, a few broken windows. Maybe some flooding in low-lying areas in the northern New Territories. Nothing major.

Seriously, Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan should join ASEAN as full members with Japan, South Korea, Australia, and New Zealand joining as associate or observer states. They're all situated south of the Tropic of Cancer and have exactly the same kind of tropical weather as Malaysia and Singapore during the summer months. We just need to get rid of the pesky CCP to do it.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Per capita, the Philippines must be the most disaster-prone country in the world with a population of more than one million. I read on Wikipedia that the east side of Luzon is sparsely populated because of all the typhoons.

Anyway, our Minister was slapped with a measly RM1000 fine and apologized for breaching the terms of his quarantine.

That's it. Just a RM1000 fine. No jail sentence. No offer to resign. It's just business as usual for our VIP politicians.

Nah, Japan is more disaster prone than the Philippines, we just rank second they rank first hehehe.

World's most vulnerable cities, with population:

1st Tokyo-Yokohama, Japan (57.1 million)
2nd Manila, Philippines (34.6 million)
3rd Pearl-River Delta, China (34.5 million)
4rth Osaka-Kobe, Japan (32.1 million)
5th Jakarta, Indonesia (27.7 million)
6th Nagoya, Japan (22.9 million)
7th Kolkata, India (17.9 million)
8th Shanghai, China (16.7 million)
9th Los Angeles (16.4 million)
10th Tehran, Iran (15.6 million)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/ ... o/2833667/

However, this wikipedia list show the Philippines as the 4rth most disaster-prone country on earth while Japan is only the 18th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... aster_risk

I think the list also includes issues with housing, poverty and others as factors on how the nation would respond to the disasters. The last three usually only have volcanoes and typhoons as issues, the Philippines has to handle a bit more than that. We’re in many typhoons’ paths, earthquakes, possible tsunamis after earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, larger fires threatening the forested areas, etc.

I also feel those numbers are oddly inflated. The Tokyo-Yokohama number I know is around 34 million, Metro Manila is around 18 million, 37 would be extreme if we included Cavite City, Antipolo, Meycauayan and others.

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

Nah, Japan is more disaster prone than the Philippines, we just rank second they rank first hehehe.

World's most vulnerable cities, with population:

1st Tokyo-Yokohama, Japan (57.1 million)
2nd Manila, Philippines (34.6 million)
3rd Pearl-River Delta, China (34.5 million)
4rth Osaka-Kobe, Japan (32.1 million)
5th Jakarta, Indonesia (27.7 million)
6th Nagoya, Japan (22.9 million)
7th Kolkata, India (17.9 million)
8th Shanghai, China (16.7 million)
9th Los Angeles (16.4 million)
10th Tehran, Iran (15.6 million)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/ ... o/2833667/

However, this wikipedia list show the Philippines as the 4rth most disaster-prone country on earth while Japan is only the 18th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... aster_risk

Hmm. Hong Kong (Pearl River Delta) has always seemed perfectly impervious to typhoons to me. A max-level super typhoon typically results in 0-1 casualties and, at worst, a few broken windows. Maybe some flooding in low-lying areas in the northern New Territories. Nothing major.

Seriously, Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan should join ASEAN as full members with Japan, South Korea, Australia, and New Zealand joining as associate or observer states. They're all situated south of the Tropic of Cancer and have exactly the same kind of tropical weather as Malaysia and Singapore during the summer months. We just need to get rid of the pesky CCP to do it.

I would like that. BTW what do you think about Vietnamese claiming that HK and Southern China is rightful Vietnamese Clay?


The Vietnamese state of Nanyue stretched to HK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8R9MtM42P8

Does Vietnam have a right to HK clay?

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Hmm. Hong Kong (Pearl River Delta) has always seemed perfectly impervious to typhoons to me. A max-level super typhoon typically results in 0-1 casualties and, at worst, a few broken windows. Maybe some flooding in low-lying areas in the northern New Territories. Nothing major.

Seriously, Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan should join ASEAN as full members with Japan, South Korea, Australia, and New Zealand joining as associate or observer states. They're all situated south of the Tropic of Cancer and have exactly the same kind of tropical weather as Malaysia and Singapore during the summer months. We just need to get rid of the pesky CCP to do it.

I would like that. BTW what do you think about Vietnamese claiming that HK and Southern China is rightful Vietnamese Clay?


The Vietnamese state of Nanyue stretched to HK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8R9MtM42P8

Does Vietnam have a right to HK clay?

I could support claims to Guangxi, especially since the Zhuang have kin in Vietnam. As for Guangdong and HK, I don't really see much reason to.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

Hmm. Hong Kong (Pearl River Delta) has always seemed perfectly impervious to typhoons to me. A max-level super typhoon typically results in 0-1 casualties and, at worst, a few broken windows. Maybe some flooding in low-lying areas in the northern New Territories. Nothing major.

Seriously, Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan should join ASEAN as full members with Japan, South Korea, Australia, and New Zealand joining as associate or observer states. They're all situated south of the Tropic of Cancer and have exactly the same kind of tropical weather as Malaysia and Singapore during the summer months. We just need to get rid of the pesky CCP to do it.

I would like that. BTW what do you think about Vietnamese claiming that HK and Southern China is rightful Vietnamese Clay?


The Vietnamese state of Nanyue stretched to HK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8R9MtM42P8

Does Vietnam have a right to HK clay?

Is Nanyue actually Vietnamese though? I'm pretty sure Hong Kong has a right to Vietnamese clay while the Mandarin-speaking conquerors to our north have no right to either.

[Region of Dwipantara]

Meanwhile, TV mogul and party leader Harry Tanoe is trying to outright ban Youtube Live, Instagram TV, Instagram Live, Facebook Live, Twitch, and basically the very concept of "live streaming" from Indonesia. Tanoe's media empire, MNC Group, recently sued the Broadcasting Law in the Supreme Court and cited that they are trying "to protect national morality" and not trying to ban competition through crony capitalism, destroying the nation's blooming digital economy in thr process.

https://www.mbs.news/en/2020/08/complet ... media.html


Of course, shows run by MNC, RCTI and their other TV stations are known as the paragons of public morality.

The government, which was very supportive of the digital economy during the last presidential campaign, had quickly denounced this action, as they should. It is terrifying that this Tanoe oligarch guy also dreamt of being elected president. He even paid millions in his effort to brainwash the national population into voting for his political party, through that brainwashing video that plays every ten minutes or so for years in all of his TV channels.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Meanwhile, TV mogul and party leader Harry Tanoe is trying to outright ban Youtube Live, Instagram TV, Instagram Live, Facebook Live, Twitch, and basically the very concept of "live streaming" from Indonesia. Tanoe's media empire, MNC Group, recently sued the Broadcasting Law in the Supreme Court and cited that they are trying "to protect national morality" and not trying to ban competition through crony capitalism, destroying the nation's blooming digital economy.

https://www.mbs.news/en/2020/08/complet ... media.html


Of course, shows run by MNC, RCTI and their other TV stations are known as the paragons of public morality.

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The government had quickly denounced this action, as they should. It is terrifying that this oligarch also dreamt of being elected president. He even paid millions in his effort to brainwash the national population into voting for his political party, through that brainwashing video that plays every ten minutes or so for years in all of his TV channels.

That just sounds outright insane and almost Orwellian in a sense.

[Region of Dwipantara]

Meanwhile, TV mogul and party leader Harry Tanoe is trying to outright ban Youtube Live, Instagram TV, Instagram Live, Facebook Live, Twitch, and basically the very concept of "live streaming" from Indonesia. Tanoe's media empire, MNC Group, recently sued the Broadcasting Law in the Supreme Court and cited that they are trying "to protect national morality" and not trying to ban competition through crony capitalism, destroying the nation's blooming digital economy.

https://www.mbs.news/en/2020/08/complet ... media.html


Of course, shows run by MNC, RCTI and their other TV stations are known as the paragons of public morality.

(Image)

The government had quickly denounced this action, as they should. It is terrifying that this oligarch also dreamt of being elected president. He even paid millions in his effort to brainwash the national population into voting for his political party, through that brainwashing video that plays every ten minutes or so for years in all of his TV channels.

That just sounds outright insane and almost Orwellian in a sense.

I mean the brainwashing video itself isn't really that bad, it's just an ad of the political party (complete with its marching song) played over and over and over and over and over again since before I entered highschool (now I'm in college). And it failed, as his party didn't make it to the parliamentary treshold. But the fact that he got 3.7 million vote without any meaningful platform whatsoever is still disturbing.

Let's go all the people of Indonesia
Direct your vision forward
Achieve your dreams for the archipelagic nation
Unite your willpower for the future!
Don't ever give up
That's your principle
Eradicating poverty is your dream
Obstacles do not shake you!
Indonesia onwards, prosperity is your goal
Light up the fire of the spirit of struggle
Buzz the echo, state The Unity:
¡With Perindo!
¡With Perindo!
Glory be Indonesia!

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

That just sounds outright insane and almost Orwellian in a sense.

I mean the brainwashing video itself isn't really that bad, it's just an ad of the political party (complete with its marching song) played over and over and over and over and over again since before I entered highschool (now I'm in college). And it failed, as his party didn't make it to the parliamentary treshold. But the fact that he got 3.7 million vote without any meaningful platform whatsoever is still disturbing.

Let's go all the people of Indonesia
Direct your vision forward
Achieve your dreams for the archipelagic nation
Unite your willpower for the future!
Don't ever give up
That's your principle
Eradicating poverty is your dream
Obstacles do not shake you!
Indonesia onwards, prosperity is your goal
Light up the fire of the spirit of struggle
Buzz the echo, state The Unity:
¡With Perindo!
¡With Perindo!
Glory be Indonesia!

Man! That's such a long-game of manipulation he has been playing!

[SatoSere]

That just sounds outright insane and almost Orwellian in a sense.

I mean the brainwashing video itself isn't really that bad, it's just an ad of the political party (complete with its marching song) played over and over and over and over and over again since before I entered highschool (now I'm in college). And it failed, as his party didn't make it to the parliamentary treshold. But the fact that he got 3.7 million vote without any meaningful platform whatsoever is still disturbing.

Let's go all the people of Indonesia
Direct your vision forward
Achieve your dreams for the archipelagic nation
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LMAO WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT TV SERIES THAT MAKES ME WANT TO EAT CHERNOBYL DIRT
- Indonesian rando

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Nah, Japan is more disaster prone than the Philippines, we just rank second they rank first hehehe.

World's most vulnerable cities, with population:

1st Tokyo-Yokohama, Japan (57.1 million)
2nd Manila, Philippines (34.6 million)
3rd Pearl-River Delta, China (34.5 million)
4rth Osaka-Kobe, Japan (32.1 million)
5th Jakarta, Indonesia (27.7 million)
6th Nagoya, Japan (22.9 million)
7th Kolkata, India (17.9 million)
8th Shanghai, China (16.7 million)
9th Los Angeles (16.4 million)
10th Tehran, Iran (15.6 million)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/ ... o/2833667/

However, this wikipedia list show the Philippines as the 4rth most disaster-prone country on earth while Japan is only the 18th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... aster_risk

Hmm. Hong Kong (Pearl River Delta) has always seemed perfectly impervious to typhoons to me. A max-level super typhoon typically results in 0-1 casualties and, at worst, a few broken windows. Maybe some flooding in low-lying areas in the northern New Territories. Nothing major.

Seriously, Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan should join ASEAN as full members with Japan, South Korea, Australia, and New Zealand joining as associate or observer states. They're all situated south of the Tropic of Cancer and have exactly the same kind of tropical weather as Malaysia and Singapore during the summer months. We just need to get rid of the pesky CCP to do it.

Interesting proposition. I'd love to see it come into action.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

M'sians charged for international hacking are online game store directors

UPDATED 8.15PM | Malaysia agrees to extradite the suspects.

The two Malaysians charged in an alleged international hacking scandal are directors in an established online game store operating out of Perak.

International newswire Reuters reported today that the US Department of Justice (DOJ) charged Wong Ong Hua, 46, and Ling Yang Ching, 32, for conspiring with hackers from China.

The duo allegedly worked with hackers to “profit from computer intrusions” targeting video game firms in the US, France, Japan, Singapore and South Korea.

In a New York Times report on the indictment, hackers were said to have worked with the Malaysians to “steal and launder money” through the video game industry.

Both reports stated that the duo have been arrested.

Federal police headquarters Bukit Aman has stated that Criminal Investigation Department director Huzir Mohamed said the Attorney-General’s Chambers have agreed to the extradition under the Extradition Act 1992 and an extradition treaty between Malaysian and the US.

This came after the extradition request was received from US authorities on Sept 3, and the Kuala Lumpur Magistrate’s Court had issued a provisional warrant of arrest on both suspects on Sept 11.

“The Magistrate’s Court has allowed at 60-day remand under Section 16(1) of the Extradition Act 1992 and Article 11(4) of the extradition treaty between the governments of Malaysia and the US.

“Both suspects are being detained under remand at Sungai Buloh Prison, Selangor,” he said in a statement today.

He said the forensics officers have also seized evidence and related documents at the duo’s company premises.

The DOJ, meanwhile, noted that the arrests in Sitiawan were made by Malaysian authorities pursuant to a provisional arrest request by the US.

Wong is the founder of online video game store SEA Gamer Mall Sdn Bhd while Ling is its chief product officer. According to company records, both serve as directors of the 13-year-old company.

Headquartered in Sitiawan, Perak, its website lists offices in China, Thailand, and Indonesia.

Listed for sale on the SEA Gamer Mall website includes “top-up cards” for popular online games like PUBG and Mobile Legends, digital gift cards, as well as prepaid mobile credits.

According to company records, it made RM386.4 million in revenue and RM11.6 million in profit in 2019.

Speaking to The Star, SEA Gamer Mall Chief Operating Officer Tommy Chieng said the company was “looking at” the US DOJ papers.

“All I can say is that we are looking at the indictment papers.

“Our lawyers are working on it. Have no other comments,” he was quoted as saying.

SEA Gamer Mall has since placed the duo on leave.

Berjaya link

Among SEA Gamer Mall’s five directors are Nerine and Chryseis Tan, the daughters of Berjaya Corporation Bhd founder Vincent Tan.

Vincent is also the major shareholder in the company through Cyberventures Sdn Bhd.

Cyberventures is owned by Vecc-Men Holdings Sdn Bhd, where Vincent has a stake.

Berjaya Corporation has yet to respond to Malaysiakini’s request for a comment on the charges.

Along with Wong and Ling, the US DOJ charged five China residents - Zhang Haoran, Tan Dailin, Jiang Lizhi, Qian Chuan, and Fu Qiang - for hacking into “more than 100 companies” inside and outside the US.

The companies included software development companies, computer manufacturers, telecommunications providers, social media companies, gaming firms, non-profit organisations, universities, and think-tanks.

Targets also included foreign governments as well as pro-democracy politicians and civil society figures in Hong Kong.

In his press conference on the indictment, US Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen said Chinese authorities had “chosen” to not enforce the law against the alleged hackers.

“The Chinese government has made a deliberate choice to allow its citizens to commit computer intrusions and attacks around the world because these actors will also help the People’s Republic of China,” he said.

As for the 23 charges Wong and Ling face, the DOJ lists them as follows:

- One count of racketeering conspiracy, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison;

- One count of racketeering, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison;

- Three counts of intentional damage to a protected computer, which carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison;

- Five counts of unauthorised access to a protected computer, which carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison;

- Five counts of furthering fraud by unauthorised access to a protected computer, which carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison;

- Two counts of access device fraud, which carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison;

- Two counts of identity theft, which carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison;

- One count of aggravated identity theft, which carries a mandatory sentence of two years in prison;

- Three counts of money laundering, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.

"The indictment also alleges false registration of domain names, which would increase the maximum sentence of imprisonment for money laundering to 27 years; the maximum sentence of imprisonment for unlawful access to a protected computer to 10 years instead of five years; the maximum sentence of imprisonment for intentional damage to a protected computer to 17 years instead of 10 years; and the mandatory sentence of imprisonment for aggravated identity theft to four years instead of two years," it said.

Good to know Malaysia's on the right side of history. Let this be a lesson to anyone who even thinks about spying for the CCP. The Americans will come for you no matter where you are in the world. I could honestly care less if one of my pro-PRC relatives is arrested and charged with treason by the government of their passport country. They need to learn their lesson the hard way. The time has come for Malaysian Chinese to choose between Malaysia and China. I choose Malaysia. I choose Sarawak. I choose Hong Kong. I choose Taiwan. And I choose our American, Australian, Indian, and Japanese allies.

[Novus America]

M'sians charged for international hacking are online game store directors

UPDATED 8.15PM | Malaysia agrees to extradite the suspects.

The two Malaysians charged in an alleged international hacking scandal are directors in an established online game store operating out of Perak.

International newswire Reuters reported today that the US Department of Justice (DOJ) charged Wong Ong Hua, 46, and Ling Yang Ching, 32, for conspiring with hackers from China.

The duo allegedly worked with hackers to “profit from computer intrusions” targeting video game firms in the US, France, Japan, Singapore and South Korea.

In a New York Times report on the indictment, hackers were said to have worked with the Malaysians to “steal and launder money” through the video game industry.

Both reports stated that the duo have been arrested.

Federal police headquarters Bukit Aman has stated that Criminal Investigation Department director Huzir Mohamed said the Attorney-General’s Chambers have agreed to the extradition under the Extradition Act 1992 and an extradition treaty between Malaysian and the US.

This came after the extradition request was received from US authorities on Sept 3, and the Kuala Lumpur Magistrate’s Court had issued a provisional warrant of arrest on both suspects on Sept 11.

“The Magistrate’s Court has allowed at 60-day remand under Section 16(1) of the Extradition Act 1992 and Article 11(4) of the extradition treaty between the governments of Malaysia and the US.

“Both suspects are being detained under remand at Sungai Buloh Prison, Selangor,” he said in a statement today.

He said the forensics officers have also seized evidence and related documents at the duo’s company premises.

The DOJ, meanwhile, noted that the arrests in Sitiawan were made by Malaysian authorities pursuant to a provisional arrest request by the US.

Wong is the founder of online video game store SEA Gamer Mall Sdn Bhd while Ling is its chief product officer. According to company records, both serve as directors of the 13-year-old company.

Headquartered in Sitiawan, Perak, its website lists offices in China, Thailand, and Indonesia.

Listed for sale on the SEA Gamer Mall website includes “top-up cards” for popular online games like PUBG and Mobile Legends, digital gift cards, as well as prepaid mobile credits.

According to company records, it made RM386.4 million in revenue and RM11.6 million in profit in 2019.

Speaking to The Star, SEA Gamer Mall Chief Operating Officer Tommy Chieng said the company was “looking at” the US DOJ papers.

“All I can say is that we are looking at the indictment papers.

“Our lawyers are working on it. Have no other comments,” he was quoted as saying.

SEA Gamer Mall has since placed the duo on leave.

Berjaya link

Among SEA Gamer Mall’s five directors are Nerine and Chryseis Tan, the daughters of Berjaya Corporation Bhd founder Vincent Tan.

Vincent is also the major shareholder in the company through Cyberventures Sdn Bhd.

Cyberventures is owned by Vecc-Men Holdings Sdn Bhd, where Vincent has a stake.

Berjaya Corporation has yet to respond to Malaysiakini’s request for a comment on the charges.

Along with Wong and Ling, the US DOJ charged five China residents - Zhang Haoran, Tan Dailin, Jiang Lizhi, Qian Chuan, and Fu Qiang - for hacking into “more than 100 companies” inside and outside the US.

The companies included software development companies, computer manufacturers, telecommunications providers, social media companies, gaming firms, non-profit organisations, universities, and think-tanks.

Targets also included foreign governments as well as pro-democracy politicians and civil society figures in Hong Kong.

In his press conference on the indictment, US Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen said Chinese authorities had “chosen” to not enforce the law against the alleged hackers.

“The Chinese government has made a deliberate choice to allow its citizens to commit computer intrusions and attacks around the world because these actors will also help the People’s Republic of China,” he said.

As for the 23 charges Wong and Ling face, the DOJ lists them as follows:

- One count of racketeering conspiracy, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison;

- One count of racketeering, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison;

- Three counts of intentional damage to a protected computer, which carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison;

- Five counts of unauthorised access to a protected computer, which carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison;

- Five counts of furthering fraud by unauthorised access to a protected computer, which carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison;

- Two counts of access device fraud, which carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison;

- Two counts of identity theft, which carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison;

- One count of aggravated identity theft, which carries a mandatory sentence of two years in prison;

- Three counts of money laundering, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.

"The indictment also alleges false registration of domain names, which would increase the maximum sentence of imprisonment for money laundering to 27 years; the maximum sentence of imprisonment for unlawful access to a protected computer to 10 years instead of five years; the maximum sentence of imprisonment for intentional damage to a protected computer to 17 years instead of 10 years; and the mandatory sentence of imprisonment for aggravated identity theft to four years instead of two years," it said.

Good to know Malaysia's on the right side of history. Let this be a lesson to anyone who even thinks about spying for the CCP. The Americans will come for you no matter where you are in the world. I could honestly care less if one of my pro-PRC relatives is arrested and charged with treason by the government of their passport country. They need to learn their lesson the hard way. The time has come for Malaysian Chinese to choose between Malaysia and China. I choose Malaysia. I choose Sarawak. I choose Hong Kong. I choose Taiwan. And I choose our American, Australian, Indian, and Japanese allies.

Excellent, although as these actions were apparently supported by the PRC government, the PRC should be hit with massive sanctions as well, not only by the US, but by Malaysia and others as well (well obviously not only for this, but add it to the novel length list of reasons).

[Glorious Hong Kong]

M'sians charged for international hacking are online game store directors

Good to know Malaysia's on the right side of history. Let this be a lesson to anyone who even thinks about spying for the CCP. The Americans will come for you no matter where you are in the world. I could honestly care less if one of my pro-PRC relatives is arrested and charged with treason by the government of their passport country. They need to learn their lesson the hard way. The time has come for Malaysian Chinese to choose between Malaysia and China. I choose Malaysia. I choose Sarawak. I choose Hong Kong. I choose Taiwan. And I choose our American, Australian, Indian, and Japanese allies.

Excellent, although as these actions were apparently supported by the PRC government, the PRC should be hit with massive sanctions as well, not only by the US, but by Malaysia and others as well (well obviously not only for this, but add it to the novel length list of reasons).

My main worry is that if Sino-Malaysian relations take a nosedive, China may begin detaining and sentencing Malaysian nationals residing in HK and China proper to death just as they have done to Canadian and Australian citizens, making it really dangerous for me to set foot in HK simply because of my nationality.

[Novus America]

Excellent, although as these actions were apparently supported by the PRC government, the PRC should be hit with massive sanctions as well, not only by the US, but by Malaysia and others as well (well obviously not only for this, but add it to the novel length list of reasons).

My main worry is that if Sino-Malaysian relations take a nosedive, China may begin detaining and sentencing Malaysian nationals residing in HK and China proper to death just as they have done to Canadian and Australian citizens, making it really dangerous for me to set foot in HK simply because of my nationality.

Although it is already dangerous for you to set foot in Hong Kong, as you are considered a criminal there as you have criticized the Hong Kong and PRC governments, both of which are now illegal in Hong Kong.

Although this is a legitimate concern, unfortunately if you wish to protect your economy and sovereignty, you have to take actions against the government running criminal schemes on your soil. Otherwise they will keep doing it.

Unfortunately the only answer is to do you best to pull your citizens out of PRC controlled territory. No one is safe anymore.

[Feline Goetland]

How is the COVID situation, gals and guys?

[Twicetagram and JYPe]

How is the COVID situation, gals and guys?

It’s slowing down here in Singapore. Obviously there are still clusters and cases that need to be cleared, but it’s generally way more calmer than a few months ago.