Should the Anti-GMO movement be taken seriously?

[Ethel mermania]

Not material to the question. All fizzy non alcoholic drinks are non flammable. Not all loafs of bread are non-gmo.

All propane is flammable, does that mean it shouldn't have a flammability warning?

Again you are supporting withholding information for a customer to make an informed decision.

You are supporting withholding information about flammability from customers. If you want customers to be able to make an informed decision then they should have easy access to this information.

In the states we dont label non-flammable. We label stuff that is flammable, flammable. If it's not labeled flammable by legal definition, it's not flammable. The same is not true about GMO's.

Why do you hate informed choices?

[Necroghastia]

All propane is flammable, does that mean it shouldn't have a flammability warning?


You are supporting withholding information about flammability from customers. If you want customers to be able to make an informed decision then they should have easy access to this information.

In the states we dont label non-flammable. We label stuff that is flammable, flammable. If it's not labeled flammable by legal definition, it's not flammable. The same is not true about GMO's.

Why do you hate informed choices?

Last I checked, we didn't put all the chemical components of an apple on the sticker either. I suppose you have a problem with that as well? People gotta be informed after all.

[Ifreann]

IIRC all wheat is genetically modified.

except for gmo seeds, all wild seeds are being modified every day.

I dont like Monsanto, I don't want to give them my money. It says non gmo, I know the product can not be supporting monsanto.

Monsanto is owned by Bayer, a huge pharmaceutical company. Bayer owns such things as Alka-Seltzer, Flintstones vitamins, Cipro antibiotics, Round-Up, and all manner of fungicides, herbicides, and insecticides. The non-GMO things you buy are probably also sending your money to Monsanto. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.

[Ethel mermania]

except for gmo seeds, all wild seeds are being modified every day.

NGL I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

I dont like Monsanto, I don't want to give them my money. It says non gmo, I know the product can not be supporting monsanto.

Since when did Monsanto have a monopoly on GMOs?

1. Seeds in the wild are always modifying themselves. Once a seed goes into industrial production each seed is the same. That's the point.

2. According to a quick google, About 150 companies make gmo seeds in the states. All do it under a licensing agreement with monsanto as they invented the process.

[Ethel mermania]

In the states we dont label non-flammable. We label stuff that is flammable, flammable. If it's not labeled flammable by legal definition, it's not flammable. The same is not true about GMO's.

Why do you hate informed choices?

Last I checked, we didn't put all the chemical components of an apple on the sticker either. I suppose you have a problem with that as well? People gotta be informed after all.

However we do label them organic if they are produced under conditions that meet the legal definition of organic. And a crate of apples is in fact labeled with the type of apple it is.

[Ifreann]

All propane is flammable, does that mean it shouldn't have a flammability warning?


You are supporting withholding information about flammability from customers. If you want customers to be able to make an informed decision then they should have easy access to this information.

In the states we dont label non-flammable. We label stuff that is flammable, flammable. If it's not labeled flammable by legal definition, it's not flammable. The same is not true about GMO's.

Why do you hate informed choices?

More information does not always improve one's ability to make a choice.

[Ethel mermania]

except for gmo seeds, all wild seeds are being modified every day.

I dont like Monsanto, I don't want to give them my money. It says non gmo, I know the product can not be supporting monsanto.

Monsanto is owned by Bayer, a huge pharmaceutical company. Bayer owns such things as Alka-Seltzer, Flintstones vitamins, Cipro antibiotics, Round-Up, and all manner of fungicides, herbicides, and insecticides. The non-GMO things you buy are probably also sending your money to Monsanto. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.

That's a big steaming loaf of horse shit right there.

[Ethel mermania]

In the states we dont label non-flammable. We label stuff that is flammable, flammable. If it's not labeled flammable by legal definition, it's not flammable. The same is not true about GMO's.

Why do you hate informed choices?

More information does not always improve one's ability to make a choice.

Sure it does, it's folks making a choice you dont like that's the issue.

[Antityranicals]

The Anti-GMO movement should not be taken seriously. For God's sake, edible corn is a GMO!

[Ravennog]

Just like the Anti-Vaccine Movement, the Anti-GMO Movement is a laughing-stock and in the way of scientific progress, so, no.

[Telconi]

In what I hope is a surprise to no one,I’m very heavily pro. I think the movement is the epitome of ignorance and fear, and, if it hadn’t captured the minds of suburbia, should be taken as seriously as the anti-vaxxers.

A guy pulled into my drive through and when he got to the window asked why the soup was $18. I explained to him that we make sure our food is non-GMO and he said "that's a load of bullshit! Tell your boss you guys just lost a customer!" And he sped away.

Why do we still try to pander to weirdos who are afraid of scientific facts?

Because weirdos are a lucrative niche market.

[Nouveau Yathrib]

It should be dealt with seriously from a policy perspective. How are we gonna feed 10-11 billion people in a world with drastically changing climate conditions without genetic modification of food crops?

[Ifreann]

Monsanto is owned by Bayer, a huge pharmaceutical company. Bayer owns such things as Alka-Seltzer, Flintstones vitamins, Cipro antibiotics, Round-Up, and all manner of fungicides, herbicides, and insecticides. The non-GMO things you buy are probably also sending your money to Monsanto. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.

That's a big steaming loaf of horse shit right there.

GMOs aren't the only thing Monsanto dealt in when they were still an independent company. They're the ones who invented Round-Up. How sure are you that the non-GMO things you buy were not made with other Monsanto products?

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More information does not always improve one's ability to make a choice.

Sure it does,

Think about that. Think about just how much information could feasibly be printed on the packaging of a loaf of bread. A list of the names of all the people involved in its manufacture is more information, does that help you choose which bread to buy? With all those names it'll be really hard to find the tiny text saying "GMO Free". Is that helpful?

it's folks making a choice you dont like that's the issue.

I don't care if people want to avoid GMOs or not. But labelling food as "GMO Free" creates the impression that the presence of GMOs matters as much as the volume of alcohol or the presence of allergens, and that is misleading. Knowing whether something will get you drunk or trigger your allergies is much, much more important than your disapproval of the business practices of Monsanto.

[Telconi]

That's a big steaming loaf of horse shit right there.

GMOs aren't the only thing Monsanto dealt in when they were still an independent company. They're the ones who invented Round-Up. How sure are you that the non-GMO things you buy were not made with other Monsanto products?

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Sure it does,

Think about that. Think about just how much information could feasibly be printed on the packaging of a loaf of bread. A list of the names of all the people involved in its manufacture is more information, does that help you choose which bread to buy? With all those names it'll be really hard to find the tiny text saying "GMO Free". Is that helpful?

it's folks making a choice you dont like that's the issue.

I don't care if people want to avoid GMOs or not. But labelling food as "GMO Free" creates the impression that the presence of GMOs matters as much as the volume of alcohol or the presence of allergens, and that is misleading. Knowing whether something will get you drunk or trigger your allergies is much, much more important than your disapproval of the business practices of Monsanto.

Why do you get to decide what's important to a person spending their money?

[Ethel mermania]

That's a big steaming loaf of horse shit right there.

GMOs aren't the only thing Monsanto dealt in when they were still an independent company. They're the ones who invented Round-Up. How sure are you that the non-GMO things you buy were not made with other Monsanto products?

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Sure it does,

Think about that. Think about just how much information could feasibly be printed on the packaging of a loaf of bread. A list of the names of all the people involved in its manufacture is more information, does that help you choose which bread to buy? With all those names it'll be really hard to find the tiny text saying "GMO Free". Is that helpful?

it's folks making a choice you dont like that's the issue.

I don't care if people want to avoid GMOs or not. But labelling food as "GMO Free" creates the impression that the presence of GMOs matters as much as the volume of alcohol or the presence of allergens, and that is misleading. Knowing whether something will get you drunk or trigger your allergies is much, much more important than your disapproval of the business practices of Monsanto.

Whatever iffy, you are just rationalizing your preference to tell people what they can and can not know, and what they could make decisions on. You are the one making the choice for them by not labeling the product.

Why I do or do not do something is not material, I hate Monsanto, someone else may think gmo's are poison, whether they are or are not doesnt matter, they still have the right to make their own personal choices., which you are attempting to deny by restricting the label messaging. Which brings us back to the question. Why do you hate personal freedom?

[Necroghastia]

Last I checked, we didn't put all the chemical components of an apple on the sticker either. I suppose you have a problem with that as well? People gotta be informed after all.

However we do label them organic if they are produced under conditions that meet the legal definition of organic. And a crate of apples is in fact labeled with the type of apple it is.

Literally every apple is organic unless it's like... a plastic toy. Calling food "organic" is meaningless.

[Necroghastia]

NGL I have no idea what you're trying to say here.


Since when did Monsanto have a monopoly on GMOs?

1. Seeds in the wild are always modifying themselves. Once a seed goes into industrial production each seed is the same. That's the point.

2. According to a quick google, About 150 companies make gmo seeds in the states. All do it under a licensing agreement with monsanto as they invented the process.

Monsanto did not invent genetic modification. We've been doing that since the dawn of agriculture. Also, source.

[Ethel mermania]

However we do label them organic if they are produced under conditions that meet the legal definition of organic. And a crate of apples is in fact labeled with the type of apple it is.

Literally every apple is organic unless it's like... a plastic toy. Calling food "organic" is meaningless.

Yeah, no. In order to have food labeled organic in the US it has to meet several certification requirements. Maybe take a class to learn what you are talking about.

https://www.foodchainid.com/certificati ... ource=Paid

[Necroghastia]

Literally every apple is organic unless it's like... a plastic toy. Calling food "organic" is meaningless.

Yeah, no. In order to have food labeled organic in the US it has to meet several certification requirements.


https://www.foodchainid.com/certificati ... ource=Paid Search&utm_medium=adwords&utm_campaign=organic&creative=379716570911&keyword=%2Borganic %2Blabelling&matchtype=b&network=g&device=m&gclid=CjwKCAiAp5nyBRABEiwApTwjXpuukPZOvCsBiJxzPphl6y0WyXwrK2_RR74wABE7kbon9x-d3vvzRxoCnqwQAvD_BwE

Tell me, what do you think the word "organic" means?

[Ifreann]

GMOs aren't the only thing Monsanto dealt in when they were still an independent company. They're the ones who invented Round-Up. How sure are you that the non-GMO things you buy were not made with other Monsanto products?

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Think about that. Think about just how much information could feasibly be printed on the packaging of a loaf of bread. A list of the names of all the people involved in its manufacture is more information, does that help you choose which bread to buy? With all those names it'll be really hard to find the tiny text saying "GMO Free". Is that helpful?

I don't care if people want to avoid GMOs or not. But labelling food as "GMO Free" creates the impression that the presence of GMOs matters as much as the volume of alcohol or the presence of allergens, and that is misleading. Knowing whether something will get you drunk or trigger your allergies is much, much more important than your disapproval of the business practices of Monsanto.

Why do you get to decide what's important to a person spending their money?

Because the one true god came to me in a vision and told me that it was my destiny.

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GMOs aren't the only thing Monsanto dealt in when they were still an independent company. They're the ones who invented Round-Up. How sure are you that the non-GMO things you buy were not made with other Monsanto products?

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Think about that. Think about just how much information could feasibly be printed on the packaging of a loaf of bread. A list of the names of all the people involved in its manufacture is more information, does that help you choose which bread to buy? With all those names it'll be really hard to find the tiny text saying "GMO Free". Is that helpful?

I don't care if people want to avoid GMOs or not. But labelling food as "GMO Free" creates the impression that the presence of GMOs matters as much as the volume of alcohol or the presence of allergens, and that is misleading. Knowing whether something will get you drunk or trigger your allergies is much, much more important than your disapproval of the business practices of Monsanto.

Whatever iffy, you are just rationalizing your preference to tell people what they can and can not know, and what they could make decisions on. You are the one making the choice for them by not labeling the product.

Like I keep telling you, I have no problem with letting people know what foods have GMOs in them, but putting that on the label is misleading.

Why I do or do not do something is not material, I hate Monsanto, someone else may think gmo's are poison, whether they are or are not doesnt matter,

Whether or not the things we eat are poison is extremely important. The immediate and long-term health effects of consuming certain things can literally be life or death. Your beef with Monsanto doesn't matter.

they still have the right to make their own personal choices., which you are attempting to deny by restricting the label messaging. Which brings us back to the question. Why do you hate personal freedom?

The same reason you are denying people their personal freedom by refusing to to include a molecular diagram of every ingredient on the packaging. Why are you oppressing people by not telling them the astrological information of everyone who handled the things they buy?

[Ethel mermania]

Yeah, no. In order to have food labeled organic in the US it has to meet several certification requirements.


https://www.foodchainid.com/certificati ... ource=Paid Search&utm_medium=adwords&utm_campaign=organic&creative=379716570911&keyword=%2Borganic %2Blabelling&matchtype=b&network=g&device=m&gclid=CjwKCAiAp5nyBRABEiwApTwjXpuukPZOvCsBiJxzPphl6y0WyXwrK2_RR74wABE7kbon9x-d3vvzRxoCnqwQAvD_BwE

Tell me, what do you think the word "organic" means?

What the USDA says it does.

You lack of understanding the term organic is not the topic of this thread. This is my last post on this threadjack.

[Ethel mermania]

Why do you get to decide what's important to a person spending their money?

Because the one true god came to me in a vision and told me that it was my destiny.

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Whatever iffy, you are just rationalizing your preference to tell people what they can and can not know, and what they could make decisions on. You are the one making the choice for them by not labeling the product.

Like I keep telling you, I have no problem with letting people know what foods have GMOs in them, but putting that on the label is misleading.

Why I do or do not do something is not material, I hate Monsanto, someone else may think gmo's are poison, whether they are or are not doesnt matter,

Whether or not the things we eat are poison is extremely important. The immediate and long-term health effects of consuming certain things can literally be life or death. Your beef with Monsanto doesn't matter.

they still have the right to make their own personal choices., which you are attempting to deny by restricting the label messaging. Which brings us back to the question. Why do you hate personal freedom?

The same reason you are denying people their personal freedom by refusing to to include a molecular diagram of every ingredient on the packaging. Why are you oppressing people by not telling them the astrological information of everyone who handled the things they buy?

"Because the one true god came to me in a vision and told me that it was my destiny. "

The most rational thing in your post.

[Ifreann]

Because the one true god came to me in a vision and told me that it was my destiny.

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Like I keep telling you, I have no problem with letting people know what foods have GMOs in them, but putting that on the label is misleading.


Whether or not the things we eat are poison is extremely important. The immediate and long-term health effects of consuming certain things can literally be life or death. Your beef with Monsanto doesn't matter.

The same reason you are denying people their personal freedom by refusing to to include a molecular diagram of every ingredient on the packaging. Why are you oppressing people by not telling them the astrological information of everyone who handled the things they buy?

"Because the one true god came to me in a vision and told me that it was my destiny. "

The most rational thing in your post.

So irrational of me to say that human lives matter more than you being mad at a company.

[Ethel mermania]

"Because the one true god came to me in a vision and told me that it was my destiny. "

The most rational thing in your post.

So irrational of me to say that human lives matter more than you being mad at a company.

That's not what I said, i said it was my reason, others have their own reasons.

To your example earlier about folks who made the product, if enough people wanted it on the label I have no objection to it. I have not seen that demand. I have seen plenty of demand for gmo labeling, so I support giving the people what they want. You dont, just admit you hate freedom.

[Rojava Free State]

Absolutely serious you do not know which things they can put in your food. They only want to win more profit

And what terrible things will happen if you eat a tomato with some crayfish DNA in it? What, will you turn into the Michigan mega monster or something?