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Should the Anti-GMO movement be taken seriously?

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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:51 pm

7 billion people in the world. 7 billion "movements".
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:53 pm

Neutraligon wrote:There is nothing particularly healthier about eating organic. There is debate as to the health risks of AGH animals when it comes to human consumption, as there has been no conclusive study (there have been studies, just not any that has come up with conclusive results). AGH has been linked to worse medical situations for the cows however.


Maybe, it's just human psychology, but I prefer the ancient way of eating food, which means without AGHs.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:32 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:There is nothing particularly healthier about eating organic. There is debate as to the health risks of AGH animals when it comes to human consumption, as there has been no conclusive study (there have been studies, just not any that has come up with conclusive results). AGH has been linked to worse medical situations for the cows however.


Maybe, it's just human psychology, but I prefer the ancient way of eating food, which means without AGHs.

AGH is simply the manmade version of an existing hormone within livestock
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:34 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Imperial Joseon wrote:
Maybe, it's just human psychology, but I prefer the ancient way of eating food, which means without AGHs.

AGH is simply the manmade version of an existing hormone within livestock


I guess it helps agricultural people.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:45 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:There is nothing particularly healthier about eating organic. There is debate as to the health risks of AGH animals when it comes to human consumption, as there has been no conclusive study (there have been studies, just not any that has come up with conclusive results). AGH has been linked to worse medical situations for the cows however.


Maybe, it's just human psychology, but I prefer the ancient way of eating food, which means without AGHs.

The ancient way?
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:51 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Imperial Joseon wrote:
Maybe, it's just human psychology, but I prefer the ancient way of eating food, which means without AGHs.

The ancient way?


Without AGHs, not raw food, as I have already explained.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:54 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:The ancient way?


Without AGHs, not raw food, as I have already explained.

But your explanation for it - that methods of food consumption are better when they're ancient - is clearly terrible.

I mean, where are you even going to find raw mammoth meat riddled with tapeworm cysts to eat without cooking?
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:55 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
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Without AGHs, not raw food, as I have already explained.

But your explanation for it - that methods of food consumption are better when they're ancient - is clearly terrible.

I mean, where are you even going to find raw mammoth meat riddled with tapeworm cysts to eat without cooking?


I already said it meant without AGHs, not necessarily raw food. Did you read my previous post?
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:58 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:But your explanation for it - that methods of food consumption are better when they're ancient - is clearly terrible.

I mean, where are you even going to find raw mammoth meat riddled with tapeworm cysts to eat without cooking?


I already said it meant without AGHs, not necessarily raw food. Did you read my previous post?

Yes Gim, I am accusing you of a sort of fallacious reasoning.

Whereby you think an explanation for a behavior is justified with an appeal to tradition in one context, but find it totally unreasonable when applied consistently.
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:58 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:Yes Gim, I am accusing you of a sort of fallacious reasoning.

Whereby you think an explanation for a behavior is justified with an appeal to tradition in one context, but find it totally unreasonable when applied consistently.



Maybe, it's just human psychology, but I prefer the ancient way of eating food, which means without AGHs.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:01 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Yes Gim, I am accusing you of a sort of fallacious reasoning.

Whereby you think an explanation for a behavior is justified with an appeal to tradition in one context, but find it totally unreasonable when applied consistently.



Maybe, it's just human psychology, but I prefer the ancient way of eating food, which means without AGHs.

Yes Gim, I understand that. That's the appeal to tradition.

But you don't appeal to tradition in any other context regarding food. You don't find it a compelling argument. Which undermines your main argument. That is the point I have been making.
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:03 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Imperial Joseon wrote:

Maybe, it's just human psychology, but I prefer the ancient way of eating food, which means without AGHs.

Yes Gim, I understand that. That's the appeal to tradition.

But you don't appeal to tradition in any other context regarding food. You don't find it a compelling argument. Which undermines your main argument. That is the point I have been making.


This is a very odd argument for someone with a caveman flag to be making. :p

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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:04 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Yes Gim, I understand that. That's the appeal to tradition.

But you don't appeal to tradition in any other context regarding food. You don't find it a compelling argument. Which undermines your main argument. That is the point I have been making.


This is a very odd argument for someone with a caveman flag to be making. :p

Dude, I LOVE modernity. You ever have to wipe your ass with a pinecone?
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:05 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
This is a very odd argument for someone with a caveman flag to be making. :p

Dude, I LOVE modernity. You ever have to wipe your ass with a pinecone?


No comment.

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Postby Imperial Joseon » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:07 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Dude, I LOVE modernity. You ever have to wipe your ass with a pinecone?


No comment.


Just ignore him. He just doesn't get the point.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:08 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
No comment.


Just ignore him. He just doesn't get the point.

He said, unironically.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:12 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
This is a very odd argument for someone with a caveman flag to be making. :p

Dude, I LOVE modernity. You ever have to wipe your ass with a pinecone?

I'm 100% sure that's somebody's fetish.
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:25 pm

In all seriousness though, modernity is pretty damn cool in my books.

My opinion is rather biased on account I would be dead before my first birthday otherwise, but still!

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:26 pm

For the most part, no.

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Postby Imperial Joseon » Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:36 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Dude, I LOVE modernity. You ever have to wipe your ass with a pinecone?

I'm 100% sure that's somebody's fetish.


:rofl:
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Postby Jello Biafra » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:33 am

Ifreann wrote:It's my suspicion that a lot of opposition to GMOs would wither away if we stopped letting products be advertised as "GMO free", "organic", "natural", etc., unless the manufacturer could convince an independent panel that these terms refers to real, specific, legitimately and demonstrably beneficial features of their product. I bet that most people only care about GMOs because when they buy their groceries they see things advertised as GMO free and think, maybe subconsciously, that GMOs must be bad if this tin of beans is saying they don't have any.

Personally, I'd say the opposite; opposition to GMOs would wither away with mandatory labeling of products with GMOs in them. Transparency leads to trust, and a lack of transparency leads to a lack of trust.

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