Has atheism made the world a better place?

[Rojava Free State]

To go back, secularism has actually made the world a better place by tempering the excesses of religion, but then atheism (or at least the Nu-Atheist movement of the late 2000's) made secularism worse by introducing a hatred of the humanities.

What are Nu-atheists? I haven't met an atheist that hated the humanities but I believe your claim may be true

[Nakena]

To go back, secularism has actually made the world a better place by tempering the excesses of religion, but then atheism (or at least the Nu-Atheist movement of the late 2000's) made secularism worse by introducing a hatred of the humanities.

I don't think nu-atheism had any remarkable impact on broader society beyond some discussion circles.

[United Muscovite Nations]

To go back, secularism has actually made the world a better place by tempering the excesses of religion, but then atheism (or at least the Nu-Atheist movement of the late 2000's) made secularism worse by introducing a hatred of the humanities.

What are Nu-atheists? I haven't met an atheist that hated the humanities but I believe your claim may be true

When I say Nu-Atheists I mean those who were a part of the internet atheist subculture of the 2000's, the kind of people you see on reddit, or acolytes of Sam Harris, et al.

[Rojava Free State]

To go back, secularism has actually made the world a better place by tempering the excesses of religion, but then atheism (or at least the Nu-Atheist movement of the late 2000's) made secularism worse by introducing a hatred of the humanities.

I don't think nu-atheism had any remarkable impact on broader society beyond some discussion circles.

Yeah I know more about the nu-metal of the 2000s than the nu-atheism. I'm a fan of breaking benjamin, not breaking the bible

[United Muscovite Nations]

To go back, secularism has actually made the world a better place by tempering the excesses of religion, but then atheism (or at least the Nu-Atheist movement of the late 2000's) made secularism worse by introducing a hatred of the humanities.

I don't think nu-atheism had any remarkable impact on broader society beyond some discussion circles.

I would say it had some impact, as many of its big name people were big proponents of STEM focus in education.

[Albrenia]

To go back, secularism has actually made the world a better place by tempering the excesses of religion, but then atheism (or at least the Nu-Atheist movement of the late 2000's) made secularism worse by introducing a hatred of the humanities.

What are Nu-atheists? I haven't met an atheist that hated the humanities but I believe your claim may be true

I vaguely remember there being a thing back then like that, but I didn't actually pay much attention to it so UMN could well be correct.

[Rojava Free State]

What are Nu-atheists? I haven't met an atheist that hated the humanities but I believe your claim may be true

I vaguely remember there being a thing back then like that, but I didn't actually pay much attention to it so UMN could well be correct.

As an atheist, I know I don't hate the humanities. I'm an avid music lover to a point I'll talk endlessly about how the different instruments in a song came together to make the masterpiece the song was, and I can play minuet in G on the guitar.

Also I listen to Lil B, the man who everyone knows is the CEO of music, so I probably wouldn't be liked by the nu-atheists if they hate the humanities

[Albrenia]

I vaguely remember there being a thing back then like that, but I didn't actually pay much attention to it so UMN could well be correct.

As an atheist, I know I don't hate the humanities. I'm an avid music lover to a point I'll talk endlessly about how the different instruments in a song came together to make the masterpiece the song was, and I can play minuet in G on the guitar.

Also I listen to Lil B, the man who everyone knows is the CEO of music, so I probably wouldn't be liked by the nu-atheists if they hate the humanities

Based on the Atheists I know, myself included, hatred of the humanities is at roughly 0%. The plural of anecdote is not data, however, so that is just my experience.

[Neanderthaland]

As an atheist, I know I don't hate the humanities. I'm an avid music lover to a point I'll talk endlessly about how the different instruments in a song came together to make the masterpiece the song was, and I can play minuet in G on the guitar.

Also I listen to Lil B, the man who everyone knows is the CEO of music, so I probably wouldn't be liked by the nu-atheists if they hate the humanities

Based on the Atheists I know, myself included, hatred of the humanities is at roughly 0%. The plural of anecdote is not data, however, so that is just my experience.

Yeah, the "hatred of humanities" thing comes so far out of left field, that I think it can probably be dismissed.

[VoVoDoCo]

Based on the Atheists I know, myself included, hatred of the humanities is at roughly 0%. The plural of anecdote is not data, however, so that is just my experience.

Yeah, the "hatred of humanities" thing comes so far out of left field, that I think it can probably be dismissed.

Yeah, I mean, think about all the things that constitute the humanities. Religion sure, but also language and philosophy and literature. If you look at great thinkers like Hitchens, who was an atheist, you see nothing but respect for the humanities.

[The New California Republic]

Based on the Atheists I know, myself included, hatred of the humanities is at roughly 0%. The plural of anecdote is not data, however, so that is just my experience.

I mean...I know people in general can often question the value of the humanities, but atheists specifically? I've never noticed a link.

[Neanderthaland]

Based on the Atheists I know, myself included, hatred of the humanities is at roughly 0%. The plural of anecdote is not data, however, so that is just my experience.

I mean...I know people in general can often question the value of the humanities, but atheists specifically? I've never noticed a link.

I get the sense UMN is probably rounding up Theology to the Humanities in general.

[Ifreann]

What are Nu-atheists? I haven't met an atheist that hated the humanities but I believe your claim may be true

When I say Nu-Atheists I mean those who were a part of the internet atheist subculture of the 2000's, the kind of people you see on reddit, or acolytes of Sam Harris, et al.

And today's main character of Twitter, noted eugenicist Richard Dawkins.

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Based on the Atheists I know, myself included, hatred of the humanities is at roughly 0%. The plural of anecdote is not data, however, so that is just my experience.

I mean...I know people in general can often question the value of the humanities, but atheists specifically? I've never noticed a link.

New atheists/nu-atheists have a thing for idolising hard sciences and dismissing everything else. It's obviously not an atheist thing in general.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I mean...I know people in general can often question the value of the humanities, but atheists specifically? I've never noticed a link.

I get the sense UMN is probably rounding up Theology to the Humanities in general.

Not just theology, but also philosophy. Specifically the way Sam Harris and his Acolytes dismiss all philosophy which he doesn't agree with, and acts as though anything philosophy has discovered was already self-evident. Even Stephen Hawking claimed that science made philosophy irrelevant.

[United Muscovite Nations]

When I say Nu-Atheists I mean those who were a part of the internet atheist subculture of the 2000's, the kind of people you see on reddit, or acolytes of Sam Harris, et al.

And today's main character of Twitter, noted eugenicist Richard Dawkins.

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I mean...I know people in general can often question the value of the humanities, but atheists specifically? I've never noticed a link.

New atheists/nu-atheists have a thing for idolising hard sciences and dismissing everything else. It's obviously not an atheist thing in general.

^ This, I didn't mean atheists in-general. I tried to specify Nu-Atheists (which I capitalize because I think they're more a creed than a lack of belief).

[Nakena]

To be fair a whole lot of western philosophy, specifically anything remotely derivated from german idealism, deserves to put on a bonfire.

[Neanderthaland]

I get the sense UMN is probably rounding up Theology to the Humanities in general.

Not just theology, but also philosophy. Specifically the way Sam Harris and his Acolytes dismiss all philosophy which he doesn't agree with, and acts as though anything philosophy has discovered was already self-evident. Even Stephen Hawking claimed that science made philosophy irrelevant.

I think you're ascribing to atheism what is a product of empiricism.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Not just theology, but also philosophy. Specifically the way Sam Harris and his Acolytes dismiss all philosophy which he doesn't agree with, and acts as though anything philosophy has discovered was already self-evident. Even Stephen Hawking claimed that science made philosophy irrelevant.

I think you're ascribing to atheism what is a product of empiricism.

That's why I say "Nu-Atheism" rather than simply atheism.

[Neanderthaland]

I think you're ascribing to atheism what is a product of empiricism.

That's why I say "Nu-Atheism" rather than simply atheism.

I don't think it's even that. You'd never see Hitchens attacking Humanism, and in fact I've read works of his where he strongly defended theological studies.

[The New California Republic]

I mean...I know people in general can often question the value of the humanities, but atheists specifically? I've never noticed a link.

New atheists/nu-atheists have a thing for idolising hard sciences and dismissing everything else. It's obviously not an atheist thing in general.

Yeah having an extreme position of science being the only thing that matters is no bueno.

To be fair a whole lot of western philosophy, specifically anything remotely derivated from german idealism, deserves to put on a bonfire.

I remember that Nietzsche made a joke about Schleiermacher, but it currently escapes me. It was a play on words if I remember rightly, but it doesn't translate very well into English.

Even Stephen Hawking claimed that science made philosophy irrelevant.

Hawking went down in my estimations when he made that remark.

[Celritannia]

And really, the modern life we have today in the west, and certain countries in the East (Like Japan and South Korea) is thanks to the decrease in power of the Churches around the world.

State atheism, like state religion, should not happen, but atheism itself has helped the world to become fairer. When you take a look are far more religious countries, their tolerance for certain aspects of life is not seen.

Science advances, religion lingers. The more advanced the country, the less likely they are to be religious.

Not to mention, the European colonial empires is a major reason as to why so many civilisations, people, and cultures have suffered dramatically, especially the indigenous Americans.

[United Muscovite Nations]

That's why I say "Nu-Atheism" rather than simply atheism.

I don't think it's even that. You'd never see Hitchens attacking Humanism, and in fact I've read works of his where he strongly defended theological studies.

Do you have a quote from that defense? I'd be interested in seeing it. I of course realize there's different levels, so you have a point. I've mainly seen Sam Harris, and he seems to be of a more extreme empiricism than the rest.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

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And really, the modern life we have today in the west, and certain countries in the East (Like Japan and South Korea) is thanks to the decrease in power of the Churches around the world.

State atheism, like state religion, should not happen, but atheism itself has helped the world to become fairer. When you take a look are far more religious countries, their tolerance for certain aspects of life is not seen.

Science advances, religion lingers. The more advanced the country, the less likely they are to be religious.

Not to mention, the European colonial empires is a major reason as to why so many civilisations, people, and cultures have suffered dramatically, especially the indigenous Americans.

Because of the attempts made by the Spanish and Americans, my nation has lost quite a bit of heritage and culture. Attempts are being made to revive that, however, these products are not that well-known.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Isn’t that pretty much the textbook definition of agnosticism?

There are several kinds of agnosticism though.

Ah, I see. I also saw the explanation Joy provided, thanks for clearing it up.

[Celritannia]

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And really, the modern life we have today in the west, and certain countries in the East (Like Japan and South Korea) is thanks to the decrease in power of the Churches around the world.

State atheism, like state religion, should not happen, but atheism itself has helped the world to become fairer. When you take a look are far more religious countries, their tolerance for certain aspects of life is not seen.

Science advances, religion lingers. The more advanced the country, the less likely they are to be religious.

Not to mention, the European colonial empires is a major reason as to why so many civilisations, people, and cultures have suffered dramatically, especially the indigenous Americans.

Because of the attempts made by the Spanish and Americans, my nation has lost quite a bit of heritage and culture. Attempts are being made to revive that, however, these products are not that well-known.

That's what I say a lot, the Philippines are not Catholic because they wanted to be Catholic, they were imposed and forced to accept that religion due to Bigger Army Diplomacy.
Now the Philippines is one of the most devout Catholic nations on Earth, despite not even being European.