Has atheism made the world a better place?

[Nakena]

The issue is that religion assumes it is the truth and the only truth. With religion, abortion is banned because allegedly the almighty creator of the universe is against it. You cant reason with someone who thinks the most powerful being in reality is against what you do. The law is more flexible in a state where its decided by the people and not by the word of the ancient scroll

I think this does apply mostly through to the abrahamist religion which claims that their supreme deity has also created the universe. Which is, of course, nonsense. I just say its a scheme at this point.

[Minimark]

Also, according to this poll, California is the 4th happiest state. And as you go down the list, the most religious states are the least happiest.

Causation does not always equal correlation.

[Rojava Free State]

The issue is that religion assumes it is the truth and the only truth. With religion, abortion is banned because allegedly the almighty creator of the universe is against it. You cant reason with someone who thinks the most powerful being in reality is against what you do. The law is more flexible in a state where its decided by the people and not by the word of the ancient scroll

I think this does apply mostly through to the abrahamist religion which claims that their supreme deity has also created the universe. Which is, of course, nonsense. I just say its a scheme at this point.

God: I created everything and have complete control. Everything is going according to plan

Some guy: hey God, there's a guy giving another guy a shoulder rub

God: WHAT?! NOOOOOO!

[Rojava Free State]

Also, according to this poll, California is the 4th happiest state. And as you go down the list, the most religious states are the least happiest.

Causation does not always equal correlation.

Jesus christ you can see the shit from space lmao

Jk, I know they're arrows but the way they're colored, it looks like SF is just one huge shit pit

[Minimark]

Religion only limits ones view of science if the mind does not use logic. Aquinas said it best, that we have the mind to think logically. Logical thinking has led some to God (i.e. Descartes). So logic and religion can exist, its just some people get overly radical with ideas and move them from their original purpose.

[Nakena]

I think this does apply mostly through to the abrahamist religion which claims that their supreme deity has also created the universe. Which is, of course, nonsense. I just say its a scheme at this point.

God: I created everything and have complete control. Everything is going according to plan

Some guy: hey God, there's a guy giving another guy a shoulder rub

God: WHAT?! NOOOOOO!

Also ever noticed how much "idol worshipped" is being called out? Guess why... if other gods wouldn exist it wouldn be a concern in the first place. The idea here is to root out potential competition.

[Hammer Britannia]

Also, according to this poll, California is the 4th happiest state. And as you go down the list, the most religious states are the least happiest.

The same website also puts Utah at number two, one of the most religious states in the US. It seems that it has more to do with poverty and environment as places like Nebraska, Utah, and Nevada rank high while poor states like Alabama and Missippi rank low.

It is also to note the state with the most amount of Atheists, Vermont, has a lower level than 20 states.

[Minimark]

Also, according to this poll, California is the 4th happiest state. And as you go down the list, the most religious states are the least happiest.

The same website also puts Utah at number two, one of the most religious states in the US. It seems that it has more to do with poverty and environment as places like Nebraska, Utah, and Nevada rank high while poor states like Alabama and Missippi rank low.

It is also to note the state with the most amount of Atheists, Vermont, has a lower level than 20 states.

Also Hawaii, #1, has 2% atheists according to a pew poll

[Rojava Free State]

God: I created everything and have complete control. Everything is going according to plan

Some guy: hey God, there's a guy giving another guy a shoulder rub

God: WHAT?! NOOOOOO!

Also ever noticed how much "idol worshipped" is being called out? Guess why... if other gods wouldn exist it wouldn be a concern in the first place. The idea here is to root out potential competition.

I always thought it was weird that a cosmic being would even care what humans think of it. It's sad that the beings of the Cthulus Mythos, definitely fictional monsters, are more realistic than god in that regard, considering that they're so indifferent to humanity they had to apologize in advance for the inconvienice of them not giving a fuck

[Hammer Britannia]

The same website also puts Utah at number two, one of the most religious states in the US. It seems that it has more to do with poverty and environment as places like Nebraska, Utah, and Nevada rank high while poor states like Alabama and Missippi rank low.

It is also to note the state with the most amount of Atheists, Vermont, has a lower level than 20 states.

Also Hawaii, #1, has 2% atheists according to a pew poll

I mean, yeah. You need divine intervention to live there given the housing prices

[Rojava Free State]

Religion only limits ones view of science if the mind does not use logic. Aquinas said it best, that we have the mind to think logically. Logical thinking has led some to God (i.e. Descartes). So logic and religion can exist, its just some people get overly radical with ideas and move them from their original purpose.

How does god make any logical sense? You have an all loving, all knowing and all powerful god and yet people are dying in wars and famines worldwide. He can't be all three of those things

[Minimark]

Religion only limits ones view of science if the mind does not use logic. Aquinas said it best, that we have the mind to think logically. Logical thinking has led some to God (i.e. Descartes). So logic and religion can exist, its just some people get overly radical with ideas and move them from their original purpose.

How does god make any logical sense? You have an all loving, all knowing and all powerful god and yet people are dying in wars and famines worldwide. He can't be all three of those things

Famines floods and wars only occur because of human free will, that we devastated the climate and fight with ourselves. We also have free will to come back to God and love God. Us freely coming back to God is true love, while God using his all powerful being is more of slavery than anything. God wants us to freely come to him and follow his ways, and if we did follow his ways (in the New Testament) devastation would be much less in the world. We have free will to come back and show true love, not forced.

[Ifreann]

How does god make any logical sense? You have an all loving, all knowing and all powerful god and yet people are dying in wars and famines worldwide. He can't be all three of those things

Famines floods and wars only occur because of human free will, that we devastated the climate and fight with ourselves. We also have free will to come back to God and love God. Us freely coming back to God is true love, while God using his all powerful being is more of slavery than anything. God wants us to freely come to him and follow his ways, and if we did follow his ways (in the New Testament) devastation would be much less in the world. We have free will to come back and show true love, not forced.

Famines and floods happened long before we devastated the climate.

[Nakena]

Also ever noticed how much "idol worshipped" is being called out? Guess why... if other gods wouldn exist it wouldn be a concern in the first place. The idea here is to root out potential competition.

I always thought it was weird that a cosmic being would even care what humans think of it. It's sad that the beings of the Cthulus Mythos, definitely fictional monsters, are more realistic than god in that regard, considering that they're so indifferent to humanity they had to apologize in advance for the inconvienice of them not giving a fuck

It's because those deities worshipped aren't cosmic beings but some kind of lower ones with malevolent or suspicious intentions and very obviously dependent on human worshipping and adherant to them and as well following their instructions.

[Rojava Free State]

How does god make any logical sense? You have an all loving, all knowing and all powerful god and yet people are dying in wars and famines worldwide. He can't be all three of those things

Famines floods and wars only occur because of human free will, that we devastated the climate and fight with ourselves. We also have free will to come back to God and love God. Us freely coming back to God is true love, while God using his all powerful being is more of slavery than anything. God wants us to freely come to him and follow his ways, and if we did follow his ways (in the New Testament) devastation would be much less in the world. We have free will to come back and show true love, not forced.

Then god isn't all loving, because an all loving being would not let his creation destroy itself. My point stands

Like if i had a son and he was gonna go drunk driving, i would fight him for the keys as opposed to giving him the free will to do that, because i love him

[Minimark]

Famines floods and wars only occur because of human free will, that we devastated the climate and fight with ourselves. We also have free will to come back to God and love God. Us freely coming back to God is true love, while God using his all powerful being is more of slavery than anything. God wants us to freely come to him and follow his ways, and if we did follow his ways (in the New Testament) devastation would be much less in the world. We have free will to come back and show true love, not forced.

Famines and floods happened long before we devastated the climate.

Yes but if humanity got there stuff together, used the intellect, a gift from God, and organized ways to prevent both those things, we would be acting in Gods way since helping another person not die is a good thing. We would be using a gift from God to better the world, and that is acting in love towards him.

[Vesperian Confederation]

>NSG thread about religion
>nearly 400 replies

I got a bad feeling about this Scoob.

Nietzsche was an atheist and his philosophy has absolutely made the world a better place, or at least more tolerable for me anyway. So atheists have that going for them I guess

[Rojava Free State]

>NSG thread about religion
>nearly 400 replies

I got a bad feeling about this Scoob.

Nietzsche was an atheist and his philosophy has absolutely made the world a better place, or at least more tolerable for me anyway. So atheists have that going for them I guess

zoinks

[Minimark]

Famines floods and wars only occur because of human free will, that we devastated the climate and fight with ourselves. We also have free will to come back to God and love God. Us freely coming back to God is true love, while God using his all powerful being is more of slavery than anything. God wants us to freely come to him and follow his ways, and if we did follow his ways (in the New Testament) devastation would be much less in the world. We have free will to come back and show true love, not forced.

Then god isn't all loving, because an all loving being would not let his creation destroy itself. My point stands

Like if i had a son and he was gonna go drunk driving, i would fight him for the keys as opposed to giving him the free will to do that, because i love him

If you love something you will let it be free. Freedom does not equal perfection peace and prosperity and too often sin (going against God gets in the way. What do you think is better, an arranged marriage where love is forced, or a marriage found through love between two people. God loves us, if we loved him we wouldn't destroy his creation. He wants us to freely love us because if we were all forced into the exact shell of a body and forced to do the exact same thing, love wouldn't be real. Love only exists in freedom.

[Rojava Free State]

Then god isn't all loving, because an all loving being would not let his creation destroy itself. My point stands

Like if i had a son and he was gonna go drunk driving, i would fight him for the keys as opposed to giving him the free will to do that, because i love him

If you love something you will let it be free. Freedom does not equal perfection peace and prosperity and too often sin (going against God gets in the way. What do you think is better, an arranged marriage where love is forced, or a marriage found through love between two people. God loves us, if we loved him we wouldn't destroy his creation. He wants us to freely love us because if we were all forced into the exact shell of a body and forced to do the exact same thing, love wouldn't be real. Love only exists in freedom.

Free will is only good up to a certain point. The fact god doesn't even magically feed the 5000 again is telling, and at day's end God's principles wouldn't matter if his entire creation was destroyed in the name of "free will." It would mean he loved the idea of free will more than he loved humanity.

Would it violate free will for god to feed the starving or make every nuclear bomb worldwide mysteriously disappear? Of course not. Unfortunately that god probably isn't real and we're alone, so we gotta watch our backs

[Minimark]

If you love something you will let it be free. Freedom does not equal perfection peace and prosperity and too often sin (going against God gets in the way. What do you think is better, an arranged marriage where love is forced, or a marriage found through love between two people. God loves us, if we loved him we wouldn't destroy his creation. He wants us to freely love us because if we were all forced into the exact shell of a body and forced to do the exact same thing, love wouldn't be real. Love only exists in freedom.

Free will is only good up to a certain point. The fact god doesn't even magically feed the 5000 again is telling, and at day's end God's principles wouldn't matter if his entire creation was destroyed in the name of "free will." It would mean he loved the idea of free will more than he loved humanity.

Would it violate free will for god to feed the starving or make every nuclear bomb worldwide mysteriously disappear? Of course not. Unfortunately that god probably isn't real and we're alone, so we gotta watch our backs

If God made all the nukes vanish or fed all the hungry, that wouldn't address some core issues. Humans wouldn't love each other enough not to make weapons designed to kill the masses or even just share some of their surplus. We wouldn't love each other enough and would result in the exact same situation as before. He gives us free will so we freely love each other and it is not forced to love each other. He wants us to actually care about each other, actually have each others back, not let a brother die because he is of a different race. If the problems vanished, we would never love since we'd be set for eternity. But we must love and work together to solve problems, out of love and not force.

[VoVoDoCo]

Famines and floods happened long before we devastated the climate.

Yes but if humanity got there stuff together, used the intellect, a gift from God, and organized ways to prevent both those things, we would be acting in Gods way since helping another person not die is a good thing. We would be using a gift from God to better the world, and that is acting in love towards him.

Imagine a world in which we didn’t have to use our intellect and finite resources to prevent natural disasters because God wouldn’t let them happen in the first place. That’s the optimal situation, God didn’t use it because he’s a megalomaniac. This is the same guy that allegedly attacked the Israelites with flaming snakes because they had the audacity to ask for water. Kindness is not in his nature, therefore being kind is not acting in gods way. In fact, in order to accurately act in gods way, we will have to do something nice, and then demand to be worshiped forever and ever. And if somebody wasn’t thankful for a good deeds, it would be in gods way to torture them forever and ever.

[Vesperian Confederation]

>NSG thread about religion
>nearly 400 replies

I got a bad feeling about this Scoob.

Nietzsche was an atheist and his philosophy has absolutely made the world a better place, or at least more tolerable for me anyway. So atheists have that going for them I guess

zoinks

What troubles you

[Ifreann]

Famines and floods happened long before we devastated the climate.

Yes but if humanity got there stuff together, used the intellect, a gift from God, and organized ways to prevent both those things, we would be acting in Gods way since helping another person not die is a good thing. We would be using a gift from God to better the world, and that is acting in love towards him.

People were using their intellect as best they could with the information available to them when they died in famines and floods.

[VoVoDoCo]

Free will is only good up to a certain point. The fact god doesn't even magically feed the 5000 again is telling, and at day's end God's principles wouldn't matter if his entire creation was destroyed in the name of "free will." It would mean he loved the idea of free will more than he loved humanity.

Would it violate free will for god to feed the starving or make every nuclear bomb worldwide mysteriously disappear? Of course not. Unfortunately that god probably isn't real and we're alone, so we gotta watch our backs

If God made all the nukes vanish or fed all the hungry, that wouldn't address some core issues. Humans wouldn't love each other enough not to make weapons designed to kill the masses or even just share some of their surplus. We wouldn't love each other enough and would result in the exact same situation as before. He gives us free will so we freely love each other and it is not forced to love each other. He wants us to actually care about each other, actually have each others back, not let a brother die because he is of a different race. If the problems vanished, we would never love since we'd be set for eternity. But we must love and work together to solve problems, out of love and not force.

If God truly wanted us to do those things, and to do them in his name, then he should show himself. I’d be much more apt to do what he says if he could prove his existence. As of now, all I have is the Bible, which is a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of scattered manuscripts. We don’t even have any original manuscripts that the Bible is based on. If you really wanted us to get to know him, and to do good works in his name, then he picked the absolute worst method of communication.