The creepy double standards of Female rape.

[Bear Stearns]

How did this thread get worse.
Why did this thread get worse.

The thread was bad since the moment certain people started inadvertently (or intentionally) defending pedophilia and child rape. It’s a dumpster fire.

Epstein didn't kill himself.

[Costa Fierro]

My solution is to do away with the term "rape" because it is too loaded and 'mythical' and because it's not sufficiently descriptive. Call it Sexual Assault or something like that. It's better all around.

Let me guess: you cannot bear to have women charged with being what they are if they raped someone?

[Katganistan]

Rape is rape, no matter who the perpetrator is and who the victim. If a woman is the one forcing intercourse on the man, she's still a rapist.

If she has sex with a minor, she's still a rapist.

If she forces sex on another woman, she's still a rapist.


Men who do any of the above including forcing sex on other men -- yep, they're rapists.

[Ultimate Destructive Fighting Nation]

So I was having some lunch with some of my co-workers and the topic centered around the recent news of another female teacher caught having raping their underage male students.

I can't say if I just happened to have a discussion with group of warped-minded individuals or of this is an actual societal perspective but one of the guys (Let's just call him Lito) who saw the female rapist's photo thought she was hot and commented that the rape victim was lucky.

Now I asked if he was joking, and he said he was serious and he began to share his story: When Lito was 14 he was hanging out with his teenage friend around his age and both boys were invited by a group of older women to a pool party, I'm going to skip his winded details but it ended up with the women inviting them for sex.

I was about to call him on his bullshit story but the others also thought it was hot so I used the common switch argument of "what if it was a group of men with a 14 year old girl"?

And I got the most despicable answer from Lily: "Well, that's not really the same. What horny teenage boy would turn down sex from a hot lady? If they come willingly, I don't see why it should be called rape at all."

I wasn't able to come up with a retort until later when I realized that she is using the same excuse male rapist use: "She was enjoying it!", "She was asking for it!", "I made her wet/cum."

It's an honestly disturbing notion, the precedent that all men always want sex, are always willing to have sex or should consider themselves "lucky" when women comes on to them.

And this belief that teenage or younger boys are "always horny" or "available" ads to the "men cannot be raped" mentality.

Do you guys think teenagers and prepubescent boys are able to consent just because they are often sexually explorative than their female counterparts?

No. I feel that males are given these unusual excuses as a shield to the fact they do not rate the same protection females are given. The fact remains that are not ready to have sex with a female that is over the age of 18. To have sex with a female over the age of 18 robs them of the joys of sexuality. So, in short, males are just like females-victims.

[Imperial Joseon]

Rape is rape, no matter who the perpetrator is and who the victim. If a woman is the one forcing intercourse on the man, she's still a rapist.

If she has sex with a minor, she's still a rapist.

If she forces sex on another woman, she's still a rapist.


Men who do any of the above including forcing sex on other men -- yep, they're rapists.

As for having sex with a minor, if both of them consented, that's not rape. The question is to what extent the intercourse has been forced and to what extent both of them have loved each other.

[The Free Joy State]

Rape is rape, no matter who the perpetrator is and who the victim. If a woman is the one forcing intercourse on the man, she's still a rapist.

If she has sex with a minor, she's still a rapist.

If she forces sex on another woman, she's still a rapist.


Men who do any of the above including forcing sex on other men -- yep, they're rapists.

^ This.

All rape is equal and should be treated equally. That there are times when rape is not treated with the seriousness it deserves is unequivocally wrong.

Rape is rape, no matter who the perpetrator is and who the victim. If a woman is the one forcing intercourse on the man, she's still a rapist.

If she has sex with a minor, she's still a rapist.

If she forces sex on another woman, she's still a rapist.


Men who do any of the above including forcing sex on other men -- yep, they're rapists.

As for having sex with a minor, if both of them consented, that's not rape. The question is to what extent the intercourse has been forced and to what extent both of them have loved each other.

No. Statutory rape laws exist for a reason; to protect vulnerable and often impulsive young people from exploitation and manipulations by people who "loved them". Below a certain age, people are deemed incapable of consenting to sexual intercourse (though many places make "Romeo and Juliet" exceptions for two young people -- generally within a couple of years of the same age -- if certain criteria are met; but generally make the punishments harsher -- or should -- if one party was in a position of power; I.e. a teacher).

[Imperial Joseon]

No. Statutory rape laws exist for a reason; to protect vulnerable and often impulsive young people from exploitation and manipulations by people who "loved them". Below a certain age, people are deemed incapable of consenting to sexual intercourse (though many places make "Romeo and Juliet" exceptions for two young people -- generally within a couple of years of the same age -- if certain criteria are met; but generally make the punishments harsher -- or should -- if one party was in a position of power; I.e. a teacher).

Yeah, I was thinking of teacher to student, but there were many more possibilities I didn't consider.

[The Free Joy State]

No. Statutory rape laws exist for a reason; to protect vulnerable and often impulsive young people from exploitation and manipulations by people who "loved them". Below a certain age, people are deemed incapable of consenting to sexual intercourse (though many places make "Romeo and Juliet" exceptions for two young people -- generally within a couple of years of the same age -- if certain criteria are met; but generally make the punishments harsher -- or should -- if one party was in a position of power; I.e. a teacher).

Yeah, I was thinking of teacher to student, but there were many more possibilities I didn't consider.

Well, a teacher and minor would be statutory rape, anyway.

A teacher having a sexual relationship with the student is always defined as an abusive relationship, because there is always an uneven power relationship. In the UK, it's outright illegal, even if the student is above the age of consent (if under 18).

Rape is rape, and an abusive power is an abusive power. Regardless of whether the perpetrator is male or female.

[Albrenia]

Rape is rape, and an abusive power is an abusive power. Regardless of whether the perpetrator is male or female.

That's pretty much all there is to it. I hope in the future such things are taken as self-evident by most.

[Jebslund]

No. Statutory rape laws exist for a reason; to protect vulnerable and often impulsive young people from exploitation and manipulations by people who "loved them". Below a certain age, people are deemed incapable of consenting to sexual intercourse (though many places make "Romeo and Juliet" exceptions for two young people -- generally within a couple of years of the same age -- if certain criteria are met; but generally make the punishments harsher -- or should -- if one party was in a position of power; I.e. a teacher).

Yeah, I was thinking of teacher to student, but there were many more possibilities I didn't consider.

If it's consensual, it's not rape. How is that complicated?

Consider the following: Your boss wants to have sex with you. She has the power to ensure you will be fired and blacklisted from the industry you work in if you piss her off. You have no way of knowing whether or not she will use it, and you are not sure you want to have sex with her. No explicit threats are made, but there is an implicit one, whether or not she intends there to be one, that refusing will be the end of your career. You have no prospects in other lines of work, as, in this hypothetical, you are of an age where other workplaces will happily make shit up to say you are not qualified to work for them, or just call you overqualified, and you have no way of proving your age was the deciding factor. You cannot rely on your friends or family to support you should you be fired for refusing her, as they consider her to be attractive (even though you do not) and therefore think you would be lucky to get a shot at her and an irredeemable fool to refuse her.. One day, she makes several hints at wanting you in her bed, and, at the end of the day, asks you outright.

Is there any sensible answer to her invitation but to accept and hope it's over quickly?

My post was framing it in the sense of workplace harassment, but I was using that as an allegory for a minor being hit on by a teacher. We beat it into our kids' heads that doing well in school is the only way to get a good job. That teacher has the power to give the kid a failing grade. Do the math. A student cannot give consent to a teacher because the balance of power is such that the teacher holds all the cards. It would be academic suicide to refuse, even if the teacher isn't the type to abuse their power in that way, because the student has no way of knowing that.

Children CANNOT consent to sex with adults, as adults hold too much power over them.

[Samadhi]

Yeah, I was thinking of teacher to student, but there were many more possibilities I didn't consider.

Consider the following: Your boss wants to have sex with you. She has the power to ensure you will be fired and blacklisted from the industry you work in if you piss her off. You have no way of knowing whether or not she will use it, and you are not sure you want to have sex with her. No explicit threats are made, but there is an implicit one, whether or not she intends there to be one, that refusing will be the end of your career. You have no prospects in other lines of work, as, in this hypothetical, you are of an age where other workplaces will happily make shit up to say you are not qualified to work for them, or just call you overqualified, and you have no way of proving your age was the deciding factor. You cannot rely on your friends or family to support you should you be fired for refusing her, as they consider her to be attractive (even though you do not) and therefore think you would be lucky to get a shot at her and an irredeemable fool to refuse her.. One day, she makes several hints at wanting you in her bed, and, at the end of the day, asks you outright.

Is there any sensible answer to her invitation but to accept and hope it's over quickly?

My post was framing it in the sense of workplace harassment, but I was using that as an allegory for a minor being hit on by a teacher. We beat it into our kids' heads that doing well in school is the only way to get a good job. That teacher has the power to give the kid a failing grade. Do the math. A student cannot give consent to a teacher because the balance of power is such that the teacher holds all the cards. It would be academic suicide to refuse, even if the teacher isn't the type to abuse their power in that way, because the student has no way of knowing that.

Children CANNOT consent to sex with adults, as adults hold too much power over them.

I disagree with you on the power reason. I believe it's solely developmental. And that that's a large enough difference that it needs to be discussed.

[Katganistan]

Rape is rape, no matter who the perpetrator is and who the victim. If a woman is the one forcing intercourse on the man, she's still a rapist.

If she has sex with a minor, she's still a rapist.

If she forces sex on another woman, she's still a rapist.


Men who do any of the above including forcing sex on other men -- yep, they're rapists.

As for having sex with a minor, if both of them consented, that's not rape. The question is to what extent the intercourse has been forced and to what extent both of them have loved each other.

If she's an adult and he's a minor, she's a rapist.

[Greed and Death]

As for having sex with a minor, if both of them consented, that's not rape. The question is to what extent the intercourse has been forced and to what extent both of them have loved each other.

If she's an adult and he's a minor, she's a rapist.

Age of consent varies. The term minor normally refers to a person below 18, most jurisdictions put the age of consent around 16. Considering the lack of mistake (including when the minor lies) as a defense I find this reasonable.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

If she's an adult and he's a minor, she's a rapist.

Age of consent varies. The term minor normally refers to a person below 18, most jurisdictions put the age of consent around 16. Considering the lack of mistake (including when the minor lies) as a defense I find this reasonable.

Well, yeah, we have to draw a hard line somewhere.

[Greed and Death]

Age of consent varies. The term minor normally refers to a person below 18, most jurisdictions put the age of consent around 16. Considering the lack of mistake (including when the minor lies) as a defense I find this reasonable.

Well, yeah, we have to draw a hard line somewhere.

Well you could allow mistake as a defense. It might drop prosecution a little as there would be cross examination what about the person was wearing and if they had on makeup or heels, all of which could in theory make them look older (though most teens wear make up in a way that makes clearly look like teens).

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Well, yeah, we have to draw a hard line somewhere.

Well you could allow mistake as a defense. It might drop prosecution a little as there would be cross examination what about the person was wearing and if they had on makeup or heels, all of which could in theory make them look older (though most teens wear make up in a way that makes clearly look like teens).

I can understand mistakes, sure. My issue would be if that were the excuse used all the time, you know. How do you prove without a doubt that it was a mistake?

[Samadhi]

Age of consent varies. The term minor normally refers to a person below 18, most jurisdictions put the age of consent around 16. Considering the lack of mistake (including when the minor lies) as a defense I find this reasonable.

Well, yeah, we have to draw a hard line somewhere.

No we don't, look at different types of maturities. Measure what effects what, set testable rough standards.

Let your non public, state free, education options teach and test em.

As an example say you have physical, mental and emotional sexual maturity.

It's never okay for someone who is physically immature to have sex.
It's okay for people who are physically and emotionally mature to bang each other.

All three can do what they want.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Well, yeah, we have to draw a hard line somewhere.

No we don't, look at different types of maturities. Measure what effects what, set testable rough standards.

Let your non public, state free, education options teach and test em.

As an example say you have physical, mental and emotional sexual maturity.

It's never okay for someone who is physically immature to have sex.
It's okay for people who are physically and emotionally mature to bang each other.

All three can do what they want.

There’s, to my knowledge, no test for emotional maturity. That is something difficult to measure.

[Samadhi]

No we don't, look at different types of maturities. Measure what effects what, set testable rough standards.

Let your non public, state free, education options teach and test em.

As an example say you have physical, mental and emotional sexual maturity.

It's never okay for someone who is physically immature to have sex.
It's okay for people who are physically and emotionally mature to bang each other.

All three can do what they want.

There’s, to my knowledge, no test for emotional maturity. That is something difficult to measure.

Yet.

And that was an example.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

There’s, to my knowledge, no test for emotional maturity. That is something difficult to measure.

Yet.

And that was an example.

Hypotheticals. For the time being, for the purpose of law, lines have to be drawn.

[Samadhi]

Yet.

And that was an example.

Hypotheticals. For the time being, for the purpose of law, lines have to be drawn.

Truth.

Still there's gotta be someone who studies this stuff.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Hypotheticals. For the time being, for the purpose of law, lines have to be drawn.

Truth.

Still there's gotta be someone who studies this stuff.

Sure, but the rate at which people mature, how they do it, and because it deals with mental development, it’s not an easy or clear cut demarcation. Hence the age of consent laws. It’s not perfect by any means, but it’s the best option that we have atm.

[Samadhi]

Truth.

Still there's gotta be someone who studies this stuff.

Sure, but the rate at which people mature, how they do it, and because it deals with mental development, it’s not an easy or clear cut demarcation. Hence the age of consent laws. It’s not perfect by any means, but it’s the best option that we have atm.

Still there's gotta be a way to measure it.

[Greed and Death]

No we don't, look at different types of maturities. Measure what effects what, set testable rough standards.

Let your non public, state free, education options teach and test em.

As an example say you have physical, mental and emotional sexual maturity.

It's never okay for someone who is physically immature to have sex.
It's okay for people who are physically and emotionally mature to bang each other.

All three can do what they want.

There’s, to my knowledge, no test for emotional maturity. That is something difficult to measure.

Correct and the reason that for instance we say girls mature quicker has less to do with biology ( they do mature about 6 months to a year quicker) and more to do with we socialize girls to seek approval from adults, which makes adults think they are mature. In reality they are just as confused as their male peers and default to taught safe behavior when uncomfortable.