NYPD Union “Declares War” figuratively on NYC Mayor

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Yes, broken people will suddenly shape up when you give them these things. Safe-injection sites are a dumb idea if not paired with treatment ability nearby, which in the States they are usually not. That passes judgement and we can't have that! You're subsidizing ODs by another name.

Safe injection sites need not only feature a needle exchange and a place to shoot up, they can employed trained staff who can administer naloxone in the case of an overdose.

[Greed and Death]

Well the cops should remove the mayor with as little blood shed as possible may the police appointed replacement be a just mayor.

How about no? That’s called a coup. The mayor was elected in a free and fair election.

Sounds like you are advocating for bloodshed then.

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How about no? That’s called a coup. The mayor was elected in a free and fair election.

Sounds like you are advocating for bloodshed then.

By what twisted logic did you reach that conclusion?

[Greed and Death]

Sounds like you are advocating for bloodshed then.

By what twisted logic did you reach that conclusion?

Opposing the police's peaceful power grab clearly means violence.

[Risottia]

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"Mayor De Blasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you!” the Sergeants Benevolent Association wrote in a tweet. “We do not respect you ...

Looks like insubordination to me. Isn't that a valid cause to fire an employee?

[Kernen]

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"Mayor De Blasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you!” the Sergeants Benevolent Association wrote in a tweet. “We do not respect you ...

Looks like insubordination to me. Isn't that a valid cause to fire an employee?

No. No command has been ignored or disregarded, and you dont lose your 1stA rights by virtue of being employed.

It's bad for the career, but probably not fireable given the union and the city rules.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

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"Mayor De Blasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you!” the Sergeants Benevolent Association wrote in a tweet. “We do not respect you ...

Looks like insubordination to me. Isn't that a valid cause to fire an employee?

Eh, they can lose respect for the mayor, but as long as the NYPD keeps doing its job, no need to fire anyone.

[Greed and Death]

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"Mayor De Blasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you!” the Sergeants Benevolent Association wrote in a tweet. “We do not respect you ...

Looks like insubordination to me. Isn't that a valid cause to fire an employee?

not if the police remove him first.

[Ethel mermania]

Looks like insubordination to me. Isn't that a valid cause to fire an employee?

not if the police remove him first.

Kids, I am pretty sure the president of the SBA isnt a cop, most likely a former sergeant.

[Risottia]

de blasio will do nothing sadly.. he's a democrats and democrats hate cops... they support sanctuary cites which is basically saying here do crime we wont punish you... nyc is full of democrats and thats why nyc is so **** at what they do.. full respect for nypd and all 1st responders they fight for you no matter what...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... icide_rate

Curiously enough, there's plenty of R-led US states which have higher homicide rates than the D-led NY.
Namely: Missouri, Alaska, Maryland, Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas, Indiana, Georgia, Mississippi, Florida, Oklahoma, Arizona, Ohio, Texas, Kansas, West Virginia.
I don't think that Republicans get a "tough on crime" badge to show because of their party alone, given the results of their policies.

[Risottia]

Looks like insubordination to me. Isn't that a valid cause to fire an employee?

Eh, they can lose respect for the mayor, but as long as the NYPD keeps doing its job, no need to fire anyone.

The individual NYPD employee who wrote that looks like he could use a reminder about the chain of command. Criticising is one thing, openly calling for disrespect and "declaring war" is another.

[Ethel mermania]

de blasio will do nothing sadly.. he's a democrats and democrats hate cops... they support sanctuary cites which is basically saying here do crime we wont punish you... nyc is full of democrats and thats why nyc is so **** at what they do.. full respect for nypd and all 1st responders they fight for you no matter what...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... icide_rate

Curiously enough, there's plenty of R-led US states which have higher homicide rates than the D-led NY.
Namely: Missouri, Alaska, Maryland, Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas, Indiana, Georgia, Mississippi, Florida, Oklahoma, Arizona, Ohio, Texas, Kansas, West Virginia.
I don't think that Republicans get a "tough on crime" badge to show because of their party alone, given the results of their policies.

In nyc the murder rate was driven down by Republican mayors who were supportive of the police. Giuliani and Bloomberg.

The murder rate started to tick up under diblasio before bail reform was passed.

[Risottia]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... icide_rate

Curiously enough, there's plenty of R-led US states which have higher homicide rates than the D-led NY.
Namely: Missouri, Alaska, Maryland, Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas, Indiana, Georgia, Mississippi, Florida, Oklahoma, Arizona, Ohio, Texas, Kansas, West Virginia.
I don't think that Republicans get a "tough on crime" badge to show because of their party alone, given the results of their policies.

In nyc the murder rate was driven down by Republican mayors who were supportive of the police. Giuliani and Bloomberg.

The murder rate started to tick up under diblasio before bail reform was passed.

Still, the NYC murder rate is a 3.39 murders or non-negligent manslaughters per year per 100 000 inhabitants.
Half as Omaha, Nebraska (R mayor). One sixth of Mobile, Alabama (R mayor).
One can't just claim, as Rainbowsix did, that Democrats make for "sanctuary cites which is basically saying here do crime we wont punish you... nyc is full of democrats and thats why nyc is so **** at what they do."

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Eh, they can lose respect for the mayor, but as long as the NYPD keeps doing its job, no need to fire anyone.

The individual NYPD employee who wrote that looks like he could use a reminder about the chain of command. Criticising is one thing, openly calling for disrespect and "declaring war" is another.

Tempers are running hot in NYC.

[Ethel mermania]

In nyc the murder rate was driven down by Republican mayors who were supportive of the police. Giuliani and Bloomberg.

The murder rate started to tick up under diblasio before bail reform was passed.

Still, the NYC murder rate is a 3.39 murders or non-negligent manslaughters per year per 100 000 inhabitants.
Half as Omaha, Nebraska (R mayor). One sixth of Mobile, Alabama (R mayor).
One can't just claim, as Rainbowsix did, that Democrats make for "sanctuary cites which is basically saying here do crime we wont punish you... nyc is full of democrats and thats why nyc is so **** at what they do."

Well as nyc is a sanctuary city, and after this bail reform bill passed the crime rate including murder had a major jump, I think the paper said 30% in January . (Its only one month so we do need to see where the trend goes and if the democrats (who control nys), change the policies that led to the spike). Then I would be more comfortable with your arguement.

I am biased, i think the change in policing under diblasio has gone too far. But I can't in good faith argue some change wasnt required.

[Thermodolia]

Nope, they should sell chemically pure, taxed, and regulated drugs in stores that adults can enter at will.

The legal recreational drug market would be dominated by food & beverage and pharmaceutical companies, not hoodrat drug dealers.

That’s not a bad thing

[Thermodolia]

The failures of San Francisco are not the result of policy being too left but rather not left enough.

Yes and no. Would more public investment in jobs and affordable housing help? Absolutely.
Would more soft on crime “wokeness” help? Hell no.

Both the right and left have it wrong. Supporting a social safety net does not preclude ALSO being tough on crime.

Totally agree with you on that. One can be tough on crime while also supporting a social safety net plus systems to limit crimes in the first place

[Thermodolia]

Yes, broken people will suddenly shape up when you give them these things. Safe-injection sites are a dumb idea if not paired with treatment ability nearby, which in the States they are usually not. That passes judgement and we can't have that! You're subsidizing ODs by another name.

Safe injection sites need not only feature a needle exchange and a place to shoot up, they can employed trained staff who can administer naloxone in the case of an overdose.

I prefer getting them off of drugs not just allowing them to shoot up. We should decriminalize all drugs but at the same time have federally funded rehabilitation centers across the nation

[Thermodolia]

de blasio will do nothing sadly.. he's a democrats and democrats hate cops... they support sanctuary cites which is basically saying here do crime we wont punish you... nyc is full of democrats and thats why nyc is so **** at what they do.. full respect for nypd and all 1st responders they fight for you no matter what...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... icide_rate

Curiously enough, there's plenty of R-led US states which have higher homicide rates than the D-led NY.
Namely: Missouri, Alaska, Maryland, Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas, Indiana, Georgia, Mississippi, Florida, Oklahoma, Arizona, Ohio, Texas, Kansas, West Virginia.
I don't think that Republicans get a "tough on crime" badge to show because of their party alone, given the results of their policies.

The majority of those are poor as fuck. Inequality leads to crime which in turn leads to homicides. Cut inequality and you cut the homicide rate

[Gravlen]

Still, the NYC murder rate is a 3.39 murders or non-negligent manslaughters per year per 100 000 inhabitants.
Half as Omaha, Nebraska (R mayor). One sixth of Mobile, Alabama (R mayor).
One can't just claim, as Rainbowsix did, that Democrats make for "sanctuary cites which is basically saying here do crime we wont punish you... nyc is full of democrats and thats why nyc is so **** at what they do."

Well as nyc is a sanctuary city, and after this bail reform bill passed the crime rate including murder had a major jump, I think the paper said 30% in January . (Its only one month so we do need to see where the trend goes and if the democrats (who control nys), change the policies that led to the spike). Then I would be more comfortable with your arguement.

I am biased, i think the change in policing under diblasio has gone too far. But I can't in good faith argue some change wasnt required.

That's not accurate. The crime rate had a bump, but not the rate of murders.

The number of murders fell to 25 so far this year compared to 31 in the same time period of 2019, a 19% drop. Rapes were also down 19% — 116 this year compared to 143 in the same period last year.

Murder, rape in NYC down so far compared to 2019, but other major crimes spiking

Correlation does not equal causation, of course, but if we go by the logic on display above we should credit the new bail laws with reducing the rates of murder and rape.

[Ifreann]

Yes and no. Would more public investment in jobs and affordable housing help? Absolutely.
Would more soft on crime “wokeness” help? Hell no.

Both the right and left have it wrong. Supporting a social safety net does not preclude ALSO being tough on crime.

Being woke isn't left wing. It's just stupid as shit. We can let non violent drug offenders out of prison while keeping the head of the Mexican mafia locked up for a quadruple homicide

Being woke isn't anything. It did have a meaning, but now it's almost exclusively used an empty insult, just like "SJW".

[Ethel mermania]

Well as nyc is a sanctuary city, and after this bail reform bill passed the crime rate including murder had a major jump, I think the paper said 30% in January . (Its only one month so we do need to see where the trend goes and if the democrats (who control nys), change the policies that led to the spike). Then I would be more comfortable with your arguement.

I am biased, i think the change in policing under diblasio has gone too far. But I can't in good faith argue some change wasnt required.

That's not accurate. The crime rate had a bump, but not the rate of murders.

The number of murders fell to 25 so far this year compared to 31 in the same time period of 2019, a 19% drop. Rapes were also down 19% — 116 this year compared to 143 in the same period last year.

Murder, rape in NYC down so far compared to 2019, but other major crimes spiking

Correlation does not equal causation, of course, but if we go by the logic on display above we should credit the new bail laws with reducing the rates of murder and rape.

And gun incidents are up, maybe the reason there is less murder is their aim is bad.


https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p02 ... nuary-2020

And to correct something I said earlier crime is up 17%ish, not 30 as I thought.

[South Ccanda]

Being woke isn't anything. It did have a meaning, but now it's almost exclusively used an empty insult, just like "SJW".

Being "Woke" isn't an insult, its just sometimes used ironically.

[San Lumen]

Looks like insubordination to me. Isn't that a valid cause to fire an employee?

not if the police remove him first.

By what right do the police have to remove a duly elected mayor? Doing something that dumb Would likely get a fair number of them arrested and thrown in jail

[Ethel mermania]

not if the police remove him first.

By what right do the police have to remove a duly elected mayor? Doing something that dumb Would likely get a fair number of them arrested and thrown in jail

State police would have to arrest. That would be hilarious, who would cuomo support? Rule of law says diblasio, cuomo hates diblasio.