NYPD Union “Declares War” figuratively on NYC Mayor

[Des-Bal]

As a matter of law New York judges should not consider the possibility of the defendant behaving violently, only the likelihood of them showing up for court. This has been the case for 50 years.

I think there should be clear guidelines for presuming ROR but the cool thing about judges is that they get to look at things on a case by case basis.

The question of how appropriate it is for one appendage of the state to declare war on another is difficult but I have to side with the union. Is the police union expected to publicly support everything the mayor does? If the police union can't voice displeasure how can it possibly be effective? If they must behave as though the current state of affairs is positive or neutral then they can't really effect change on behalf of those they represent.

[Christian Confederation]

Of course not the time for coups isn't now. The NYPD, and FDNY join together and back there own candidate against the Mayor. Most people would support the Police and Firefighters over some libral mayor

Clearly, You dont live here.

Of course not I've not been north of Tennessee thank God

[Thermodolia]

Clearly, You dont live here.

Of course not I've not been north of Tennessee thank God

How terrible. Limiting yourself to one region is terrible especially when the world has so many beautiful things to offer

[Totally Not OEP]

Fuck, and I cannot stress this enough, the police.

You can say fuck the police all you want because we both know just saying that is all you're ever going to do.

[San Lumen]

What are they going to do launch a coup or stay home and not work until there is a new mayor? He's termed out in 2021.

The mayor was elected in a free and fair election twice

Of course not the time for coups isn't now. The NYPD, and FDNY join together and back there own candidate against the Mayor. Most people would support the Police and Firefighters over some libral mayor

They can endorse someone but no one is obligated to vote for their pick

[Ethel mermania]

Of course not the time for coups isn't now. The NYPD, and FDNY join together and back there own candidate against the Mayor. Most people would support the Police and Firefighters over some libral mayor

They can endorse someone but no one is obligated to vote for their pick

If they did it would be mayor Lhota, not diblasio

[San Lumen]

They can endorse someone but no one is obligated to vote for their pick

If they did it would be mayor Lhota, not diblasio

Hence why I said no one is obligated to vote for their pick and they need to work with whomever wins

[San Lumen]

Clearly, You dont live here.

Of course not I've not been north of Tennessee thank God

Visiting other places might do you some good.

[Ifreann]

Hence why I said no one is obligated to vote for their pick and they need to work with whomever wins

If they can't express their displeasure through their union then how exactly can they do it?

Resign?

[Novus America]

If they can't express their displeasure through their union then how exactly can they do it?

Resign?

They could, but they can also speak through their union.
That is what unions are supposed to do, represent the concerns of the employees.

[The Emerald Legion]

Of course not I've not been north of Tennessee thank God

Visiting other places might do you some good.

It never helped me any.

[Christian Confederation]

Of course not I've not been north of Tennessee thank God

Visiting other places might do you some good.

That's for after college ill head to the old country, possibly the Holy land and Australia

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Don't y'all know that you can think the complaints themselves were unjustified while still thinking that the labor union was right to represent its members?
I feel like most if not all of the left-wingers here are forgetting that the entire point of a labor union is to express the grievances of workers to their employer. If we're not going to let them do that, why even have a union in the first place?

[San Lumen]

Don't y'all know that you can think the complaints themselves were unjustified while still thinking that the labor union was right to represent its members?
I feel like most if not all of the left-wingers here are forgetting that the entire point of a labor union is to express the grievances of workers to their employer. If we're not going to let them do that, why even have a union in the first place?

Yes but the PBA President’s comments were completely out of line but it seems a fair number of officers agree with his comments that they must get unconditional and unequivocal support no matter what they do and scrutiny is forbidden

[San Lumen]

Visiting other places might do you some good.

That's for after college ill head to the old country, possibly the Holy land and Australia

Visiting other states might be good for you too but to your comments the police union is welcome to endorse a candidate in the next election but no one is obligated to support their choice.

The department would have no right or reason to launch a coup because they don’t like whose in office. That’s not how a democracy works

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Don't y'all know that you can think the complaints themselves were unjustified while still thinking that the labor union was right to represent its members?
I feel like most if not all of the left-wingers here are forgetting that the entire point of a labor union is to express the grievances of workers to their employer. If we're not going to let them do that, why even have a union in the first place?

Yes but the PBA President’s comments were completely out of line but it seems a fair number of officers agree with his comments that they must get unconditional and unequivocal support no matter what they do and scrutiny is forbidden

To clarify, I agree that the union's message was probably wrong (I won't claim to understand the whole story, so I won't speak in absolutes, but I'd definitely be surprised if the police are in the right here). I just find it a bit hypocritical that the leftists here seem to be attacking the fact that the union made the message, not the contents of that message, and if your argument is hypocritical, it's not going to convince anyone.

[Ethel mermania]

Hence why I said no one is obligated to vote for their pick and they need to work with whomever wins

If they can't express their displeasure through their union then how exactly can they do it?

It's fine for them to say the mayor is a putz.
You cant "declare war", on a duly elected mayor. The mayor as chief of the executive, is in charge of PD.

[Ethel mermania]

If they did it would be mayor Lhota, not diblasio

Hence why I said no one is obligated to vote for their pick and they need to work with whomever wins

I was attempting to reinforce your comment to the other poster.

[Dogmeat]

Fuck, and I cannot stress this enough, the police.

You can say fuck the police all you want because we both know just saying that is all you're ever going to do.

He said impotently to a stranger over the internet.

[Ifreann]

Yes but the PBA President’s comments were completely out of line but it seems a fair number of officers agree with his comments that they must get unconditional and unequivocal support no matter what they do and scrutiny is forbidden

To clarify, I agree that the union's message was probably wrong (I won't claim to understand the whole story, so I won't speak in absolutes, but I'd definitely be surprised if the police are in the right here). I just find it a bit hypocritical that the leftists here seem to be attacking the fact that the union made the message, not the contents of that message, and if your argument is hypocritical, it's not going to convince anyone.

Why would leftists support an organisation that wants the police to have more power to detain poor people without a trial?

[Thermodolia]

Don't y'all know that you can think the complaints themselves were unjustified while still thinking that the labor union was right to represent its members?
I feel like most if not all of the left-wingers here are forgetting that the entire point of a labor union is to express the grievances of workers to their employer. If we're not going to let them do that, why even have a union in the first place?

I’m not forgetting that. Then again I might be one of the more pro-union guys on this site

[Thermodolia]

Yes but the PBA President’s comments were completely out of line but it seems a fair number of officers agree with his comments that they must get unconditional and unequivocal support no matter what they do and scrutiny is forbidden

To clarify, I agree that the union's message was probably wrong (I won't claim to understand the whole story, so I won't speak in absolutes, but I'd definitely be surprised if the police are in the right here). I just find it a bit hypocritical that the leftists here seem to be attacking the fact that the union made the message, not the contents of that message, and if your argument is hypocritical, it's not going to convince anyone.

Lumen isn’t a leftist though. He’s a neo-Liberal who hates unions

[Major-Tom]

I mean, it's not exactly DeBlasio's fault in this instance - I think he's just done such a stellar job in mismanaging NYC that anything bad that happens can now be pinned on him. Which, not entirely accurate, but I get it, I understand where the sentiment comes from.

Not that the NYPD is known for being perfectly innocent and whatnot either.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

To clarify, I agree that the union's message was probably wrong (I won't claim to understand the whole story, so I won't speak in absolutes, but I'd definitely be surprised if the police are in the right here). I just find it a bit hypocritical that the leftists here seem to be attacking the fact that the union made the message, not the contents of that message, and if your argument is hypocritical, it's not going to convince anyone.

Lumen isn’t a leftist though. He’s a neo-Liberal who hates unions

I was speaking in general, it seemed to be a common theme I saw when I skimmed the thread.

[Ethel mermania]

To clarify, I agree that the union's message was probably wrong (I won't claim to understand the whole story, so I won't speak in absolutes, but I'd definitely be surprised if the police are in the right here). I just find it a bit hypocritical that the leftists here seem to be attacking the fact that the union made the message, not the contents of that message, and if your argument is hypocritical, it's not going to convince anyone.

Why would leftists support an organisation that wants the police to have more power to detain poor people without a trial?

Maybe because they are not all idiots, they understand the bail reform went way to far, and they want to live in a city where crime doesnt spike 30% up in a month because of it.