NYPD Union “Declares War” figuratively on NYC Mayor

[Ethel mermania]

Bail should be decided on an individual basis and a violent criminal shouldn't be getting it. Seriously if you let a violent offender out on bail, they're gonna go kick someone's ass. I'm all for criminal justice reform but there's reform and then there's being a dickhead. Let the guys outta prison who are there on non violent drug offenses, not the people who actually did some serious shit.

This is another thing I'm not fond of about de blasio, despite also not liking the NYPD

So... like under the new bail law?

Under the new bail law, prosecutors can only ask for bail or pretrial detention in certain felony cases – including almost all violent felonies – and a handful of misdemeanor charges. Nearly all Class A felonies – the most serious category of crime, including murder, first-degree arson and first-degree kidnapping – are still eligible for bail or pretrial detention. So are the vast majority of felony sex offenses. Witness tampering and witness intimidation also fall under that category, as do terrorism and terrorism-related charges.

Most other misdemeanors, nonviolent felonies and a couple categories of violent felonies now lead to someone being automatically released.

So which violent felonies are excluded?

The two “violent felonies” that lead to an automatic release are second-degree burglary and second-degree robbery, but only in very specific instances. For the burglary charge, the automatic release only occurs if the building that the defendant is accused of breaking into is a “dwelling.” In other words, if someone is unarmed, does not threaten anyone and does not harm anyone when breaking into a home, that person will now be automatically released. Similarly, someone accused of second-degree robbery can only be released if that person is helped by a second person, but neither caused physical harm or displayed a weapon.

What to know about the state’s new bail reform law

Actually, it's not accurate to say it's like the new law, because even under the old law, judges could not "directly consider the danger someone might pose to the community or other individuals when setting bail or determining whether someone should be held in jail before trial", only whether someone who had been charged with a crime were likely to return for their court dates.

In addition, the law has not changed what judges are permitted to consider in setting bail. Unlike almost all other states, judges in New York are not permitted to detain people due to concerns that they will pose a danger to the community if released. This part of the legislation is consistent with longstanding law in New York, which has prohibited the consideration of dangerousness in setting bail since 1971 in order to ensure that those charged with crimes are afforded the presumption of innocence.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/new-yorks-upcoming-bail-reform-changes-explained

Brennan is not unbiased, and this is an option piece. quite a few folks are being released who shouldn't be. Another opinion piece from. NJ. Where they seem to have gotten bail reform right.

https://www.nj.com/opinion/2020/01/porr ... swers.html

I am not going to argue bail reform was not needed. Honestly it was, but the states solution is nuts

[San Lumen]

So... like under the new bail law?

Under the new bail law, prosecutors can only ask for bail or pretrial detention in certain felony cases – including almost all violent felonies – and a handful of misdemeanor charges. Nearly all Class A felonies – the most serious category of crime, including murder, first-degree arson and first-degree kidnapping – are still eligible for bail or pretrial detention. So are the vast majority of felony sex offenses. Witness tampering and witness intimidation also fall under that category, as do terrorism and terrorism-related charges.

Most other misdemeanors, nonviolent felonies and a couple categories of violent felonies now lead to someone being automatically released.

So which violent felonies are excluded?

The two “violent felonies” that lead to an automatic release are second-degree burglary and second-degree robbery, but only in very specific instances. For the burglary charge, the automatic release only occurs if the building that the defendant is accused of breaking into is a “dwelling.” In other words, if someone is unarmed, does not threaten anyone and does not harm anyone when breaking into a home, that person will now be automatically released. Similarly, someone accused of second-degree robbery can only be released if that person is helped by a second person, but neither caused physical harm or displayed a weapon.

What to know about the state’s new bail reform law

Actually, it's not accurate to say it's like the new law, because even under the old law, judges could not "directly consider the danger someone might pose to the community or other individuals when setting bail or determining whether someone should be held in jail before trial", only whether someone who had been charged with a crime were likely to return for their court dates.

In addition, the law has not changed what judges are permitted to consider in setting bail. Unlike almost all other states, judges in New York are not permitted to detain people due to concerns that they will pose a danger to the community if released. This part of the legislation is consistent with longstanding law in New York, which has prohibited the consideration of dangerousness in setting bail since 1971 in order to ensure that those charged with crimes are afforded the presumption of innocence.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/new-yorks-upcoming-bail-reform-changes-explained

Brennan is not unbiased, and this is an option piece. quite a few folks are being released who shouldn't be. Another opinion piece from. NJ. Where they seem to have gotten bail reform right.

https://www.nj.com/opinion/2020/01/porr ... swers.html

I am not going to argue bail reform was not needed. Honestly it was, but the states solution is nuts

It is likely going to be reformed. Heastie wants to keep the state senate in the fall

[Gravlen]

So... like under the new bail law?

Under the new bail law, prosecutors can only ask for bail or pretrial detention in certain felony cases – including almost all violent felonies – and a handful of misdemeanor charges. Nearly all Class A felonies – the most serious category of crime, including murder, first-degree arson and first-degree kidnapping – are still eligible for bail or pretrial detention. So are the vast majority of felony sex offenses. Witness tampering and witness intimidation also fall under that category, as do terrorism and terrorism-related charges.

Most other misdemeanors, nonviolent felonies and a couple categories of violent felonies now lead to someone being automatically released.

So which violent felonies are excluded?

The two “violent felonies” that lead to an automatic release are second-degree burglary and second-degree robbery, but only in very specific instances. For the burglary charge, the automatic release only occurs if the building that the defendant is accused of breaking into is a “dwelling.” In other words, if someone is unarmed, does not threaten anyone and does not harm anyone when breaking into a home, that person will now be automatically released. Similarly, someone accused of second-degree robbery can only be released if that person is helped by a second person, but neither caused physical harm or displayed a weapon.

What to know about the state’s new bail reform law

Actually, it's not accurate to say it's like the new law, because even under the old law, judges could not "directly consider the danger someone might pose to the community or other individuals when setting bail or determining whether someone should be held in jail before trial", only whether someone who had been charged with a crime were likely to return for their court dates.

In addition, the law has not changed what judges are permitted to consider in setting bail. Unlike almost all other states, judges in New York are not permitted to detain people due to concerns that they will pose a danger to the community if released. This part of the legislation is consistent with longstanding law in New York, which has prohibited the consideration of dangerousness in setting bail since 1971 in order to ensure that those charged with crimes are afforded the presumption of innocence.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/new-yorks-upcoming-bail-reform-changes-explained

Brennan is not unbiased, and this is an option piece. quite a few folks are being released who shouldn't be. Another opinion piece from. NJ. Where they seem to have gotten bail reform right.

https://www.nj.com/opinion/2020/01/porr ... swers.html

I am not going to argue bail reform was not needed. Honestly it was, but the states solution is nuts

Porrino is right about the latter part of his criticism, though that's not really about what the new law does, but rather what it should do. As he says:

New Jersey requires that risk of flight and potential danger to the community be measured. Prosecutors are empowered to seek and judges are empowered to grant pretrial detention based on the risk posed by each individual defendant. In lower-risk cases, the offender is released on non-monetary conditions, such as electronic monitoring, curfew and drug testing. In the highest-risk cases, prosecutors can seek and judges can grant pre-trial detention without bail.

Though, honestly, judges should consider if people are a danger and whether to keep them locked up or subjected to other conditions without ever giving them the option of bail. The system should determine release based on risk, not wealth, as he says.

[Ifreann]

Fuck, and I cannot stress this enough, the police.

[San Lumen]

Fuck, and I cannot stress this enough, the police.

I wouldnt say that but the PBA president should be ashamed of himself. It's as if he think De Blasio could have personally done something to prevent these attack and wants him to declare he stands behind the police no matter what they do and are completely infallible.

Words like this are part of the reason community-police relations are so bad in some areas. Respect is earned its not just given

[Rainbowsix]

Fuck, and I cannot stress this enough, the police.

what did they do to you?

[Ethel mermania]

Brennan is not unbiased, and this is an option piece. quite a few folks are being released who shouldn't be. Another opinion piece from. NJ. Where they seem to have gotten bail reform right.

https://www.nj.com/opinion/2020/01/porr ... swers.html

I am not going to argue bail reform was not needed. Honestly it was, but the states solution is nuts

Porrino is right about the latter part of his criticism, though that's not really about what the new law does, but rather what it should do. As he says:

New Jersey requires that risk of flight and potential danger to the community be measured. Prosecutors are empowered to seek and judges are empowered to grant pretrial detention based on the risk posed by each individual defendant. In lower-risk cases, the offender is released on non-monetary conditions, such as electronic monitoring, curfew and drug testing. In the highest-risk cases, prosecutors can seek and judges can grant pre-trial detention without bail.

Though, honestly, judges should consider if people are a danger and whether to keep them locked up or subjected to other conditions without ever giving them the option of bail. The system should determine release based on risk, not wealth, as he says.

Agreed. The idea was right, the implementation poor.

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Imagine if US soldiers were like this. "The Taliban killed two of us this weekend, the blood is on your hands Trump! You sided with the Taliban!"

Wait... shit. There were a few soldiers saying this when Obama was in office.

[South Ccanda]

Imagine if US soldiers were like this. "The Taliban killed two of us this weekend, the blood is on your hands Trump! You sided with the Taliban!"

Wait... shit. There were a few soldiers saying this when Obama was in office.

Is their blood not technically on hi hands though? I mean, if the president decides you should occupy a country, and you are killed in that country, is it not really the president's fault?

[South Ccanda]

Fuck, and I cannot stress this enough, the police.

what did they do to you?

They police them.

[Rainbowsix]

what did they do to you?

They police them.

police exist because people are dumb as **** and don't use their heads and that's why the democratic party exists

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Imagine if US soldiers were like this. "The Taliban killed two of us this weekend, the blood is on your hands Trump! You sided with the Taliban!"

Wait... shit. There were a few soldiers saying this when Obama was in office.

Is their blood not technically on hi hands though? I mean, if the president decides you should occupy a country, and you are killed in that country, is it not really the president's fault?

In principle I agree, I am anti-war and don't think a single American soldier should still be in Afghanistan.

My point was that soldiers have just as dangerous of a job as cops but they whine a lot less.

And have a lot stricter rules of engagement. There are situations where soldiers in battle with enemy forces shooting at them where they still might have to hold their fire, meanwhile cops can shoot anyone who don't respond to the command "put your hands up and get on the ground!" in 0.2 seconds.

[San Lumen]

Is their blood not technically on hi hands though? I mean, if the president decides you should occupy a country, and you are killed in that country, is it not really the president's fault?

In principle I agree, I am anti-war and don't think a single American soldier should still be in Afghanistan.

My point was that soldiers have just as dangerous of a job as cops but they whine a lot less.

And have a lot stricter rules of engagement. There are situations where soldiers in battle with enemy forces shooting at them where they still might have to hold their fire, meanwhile cops can shoot anyone who don't respond to the command "put your hands up and get on the ground!" in 0.2 seconds.

It seems some departments want there to be no scrutiny whatsoever and when there is they act high and mighty and declare we won’t do our jobs as effectively

[Bear Stearns]

De Blasio seems intent are returning New York to the days of when it was a shithole in the early 1980s.

[San Lumen]

De Blasio seems intent are returning New York to the days of when it was a shithole in the early 1980s.

And what do you expect him to do? How is any of this his fault?

[Bear Stearns]

Imagine if US soldiers were like this. "The Taliban killed two of us this weekend, the blood is on your hands Trump! You sided with the Taliban!"

Wait... shit. There were a few soldiers saying this when Obama was in office.

It would be like if the Taliban killed two US soldiers and Trump said that the US military needs to be less racist against Afghans.

[Ethel mermania]

De Blasio seems intent are returning New York to the days of when it was a shithole in the early 1980s.

And what do you expect him to do? How is any of this his fault?

I thought you lived here.

How about the billion dollar corruption mental health initiative headed by bill's wife, that excluded itself from helping depressed cops?

How about the idiots speech to his prep school kids about racist cops?

[Thermodolia]

And what do you expect him to do? How is any of this his fault?

I thought you lived here.

How about the billion dollar corruption mental health initiative headed by bill's wife, that excluded itself from helping depressed cops?

How about the idiots speech to his prep school kids about racist cops?

I’m pretty Lumen lives in the suburbs because he has talked a lot about using the commuter trains

[Bear Stearns]

And what do you expect him to do? How is any of this his fault?

I thought you lived here.

How about the billion dollar corruption mental health initiative headed by bill's wife, that excluded itself from helping depressed cops?

How about the idiots speech to his prep school kids about racist cops?

Didn't his wife help herself to several hundred million of education money?

[Ethel mermania]

I thought you lived here.

How about the billion dollar corruption mental health initiative headed by bill's wife, that excluded itself from helping depressed cops?

How about the idiots speech to his prep school kids about racist cops?

Didn't his wife help herself to several hundred million of education money?

Mental health. "Thrive" is her boondoggle.

[Ifreann]

Fuck, and I cannot stress this enough, the police.

what did they do to you?

What have they done for me?

[Christian Confederation]

Finally the NYPD has stood up to the left. Took them long enough but NYC has brighter days ahead.

As a Dictator can't stay in power without military support a Mayor can't stay in power without police support.

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Finally the NYPD has stood up to the left. Took them long enough but NYC has brighter days ahead.

As a Dictator can't stay in power without military support a Mayor can't stay in power without police support.

What are the NYPD going to do, stay home and refuse to work until DeBlasio is gone?

[Farnhamia]

Finally the NYPD has stood up to the left. Took them long enough but NYC has brighter days ahead.

As a Dictator can't stay in power without military support a Mayor can't stay in power without police support.

Your understanding of the election process seems lacking.

[San Lumen]

Finally the NYPD has stood up to the left. Took them long enough but NYC has brighter days ahead.

As a Dictator can't stay in power without military support a Mayor can't stay in power without police support.

What are they going to do launch a coup or stay home and not work until there is a new mayor? He's termed out in 2021.

The mayor was elected in a free and fair election twice