NYPD Union “Declares War” figuratively on NYC Mayor

[Aureumterra]

Well yeah, De Blasio sucks, that’s an established fact

[Nouveau Quebecois]

When isn’t a police union mad at their city administration? Anything short of instituting a full on police state and letting them have free uncontrolled reign will generally get a mayor on the bad side of a police union.

NYPD is so inspiring, can't wait for an HOI4 mod for when the NYPD annexes New York.

The New Metropolitan Police State

[Ethel mermania]

NYC cops ‘declaring war’ on Mayor de Blasio, union says, following ‘assassination attempts’ on officers

https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-union-de ... r-on-mayor



I’m not a fan of how NYC has been going lately, especially the Bronx. I have familial ties to the NYPD so hearing of them being in danger is concerning to me. I feel that Mayor De Blasio needs to take a stronger stance in favor of the police in New York City.

I also feel the new Bail laws in New York State are a poor decision as releasing someone who was just arrested could cause them to take violent actions in retaliation against whoever put them in jail. What are your thoughts NSG?

Shame on him for his despicable comments. While I do not condone these attacks I don’t know he wants the mayor to do. Does Lynch want the mayor to declare I support cops no matter what they do?

While attacks on cops are not acceptable both sides are to blame here. You want respect it has to be earned. You don’t just get it. Many communities and groups have poor relations because they don’t talk to each other and years of systematic bias.

Plus there was nothing De Blasio could have done

Diblasio has been an enemy of PD since he started. This is the latest incident.

The democratic legislature passing bail reform and the idiot governor signing it without taking any aspect of it into consideration is what has the city in the ridiculous crime spike we have now.

Diblasio has been claiming a war on the rich since day one, the problem is the only folks he winds up hurting are the middle class.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The NYPD should just be abolished, it's not like the people living there want a safe community anyway given they elected a guy who's letting criminals out of jail for free.

Now that’s a supremely stupid idea if I’ve seen one today.

[Rainbowsix]

just cold hard facts but hey u wont believe me

When you actually post facts, then maybe I'll listen.

sorry i can't try to convince a brainwashed democrat even if i had proof and all these forums i see you in you never listen you just constantly ***post but hey nothing i can do about that

[San Lumen]

Shame on him for his despicable comments. While I do not condone these attacks I don’t know he wants the mayor to do. Does Lynch want the mayor to declare I support cops no matter what they do?

While attacks on cops are not acceptable both sides are to blame here. You want respect it has to be earned. You don’t just get it. Many communities and groups have poor relations because they don’t talk to each other and years of systematic bias.

Plus there was nothing De Blasio could have done

Diblasio has been an enemy of PD since he started. This is the latest incident.

The democratic legislature passing bail reform and the idiot governor signing it without taking any aspect of it into consideration is what has the city in the ridiculous crime spike we have now.

Diblasio has been claiming a war on the rich since day one, the problem is the only folks he winds up hurting are the middle class.

It’s likely going to be reformed this session.

[Ethel mermania]

Diblasio has been an enemy of PD since he started. This is the latest incident.

The democratic legislature passing bail reform and the idiot governor signing it without taking any aspect of it into consideration is what has the city in the ridiculous crime spike we have now.

Diblasio has been claiming a war on the rich since day one, the problem is the only folks he winds up hurting are the middle class.

It’s likely going to be reformed this session. I’m surprised no one has suggested the idea of a police coup yet

Heastie so far has been supportive of it.

[San Lumen]

It’s likely going to be reformed this session. I’m surprised no one has suggested the idea of a police coup yet

Heastie so far has been supportive of it.

Yeah but it’s likely there will be changes. He wants to keep the Senate. Bail reform is not the topic though

[Kargintina the Third]

The NYPD should just be abolished, it's not like the people living there want a safe community anyway given they elected a guy who's letting criminals out of jail for free.

Peak AnCap?

[Gravlen]

I think the bail laws were rather naive.

They’re definitely not a good idea. I’m all for Criminal Justice Reform, but holy shit that was not the way to go.

If you're a fan of the merciless carceral state, a two-tiered criminal justice system, and looking like you're tough on crime without actually being tough on crime, you're absolutely correct.

[The East Marches II]

They’re definitely not a good idea. I’m all for Criminal Justice Reform, but holy shit that was not the way to go.

If you're a fan of the merciless carceral state, a two-tiered criminal justice system, and looking like you're tough on crime without actually being tough on crime, you're absolutely correct.

Seems like just up your alley then with your "unique" brand of feminist justice :^)

[Phoenicaea]

seems a good movie story set in america, for an european, i wonder how is real politics and not figurative arts got here before.

[Thermodolia]

Why not have the NYPD just protect the wealthier white areas? The people supporting cops get cops in their neighborhood for protection against crime and the people opposing the police won't have to deal with police oppression.

Because the governments job is to protect it’s people and not let gangs and other groups control its territory.

Because if you do what you are proposing you end up like Brazil

[Thermodolia]

That would be so funny. Sounds like police in an An-Cop society. "Sorry, you haven't paid your premium police protection plan." I wouldn't be surprised if this happens in Detroit. Or Flint.

. Imagine a domestic violence incident or someone Is trying up break into an apartment and the caller being told “cops don’t serve your area and no one if coming. Goodbye” I don’t think it would even remotely be funny

It already happens in parts of Chicago

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

. Imagine a domestic violence incident or someone Is trying up break into an apartment and the caller being told “cops don’t serve your area and no one if coming. Goodbye” I don’t think it would even remotely be funny

It already happens in parts of Chicago

Chicago PD is a trash institution that ran an off-the-books blacksite where they routinely violated your rights, so I'm not surprised.

[Greed and Death]

Well the cops should remove the mayor with as little blood shed as possible may the police appointed replacement be a just mayor.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

That's a shame, I like the new bail law. Imprisonment without trial is wrong.

I can see how waiving bail might increase crime (misdemeanor offenders being more likely to criminally offend, being on the streets rather than in jail) but it should only be a temporary effect. The misdeamenor offenders being kept in jail, tried, imprisoned would then, a year or two later, be as likely to offend as the bailed people. Whether the rate of recidivism after jail is higher or lower than before trail, should matter a lot more to us than whether waived-bail crime overlapping with legacy after-prison crime causes a bump of a year or two in total crime figures.

I don't entirely trust the motives of the police in opposing the bail law. Is it protection of the public or protection of their power to impose extrajudicial punishment on those too poor to afford bail?

[Vassenor]

Well the cops should remove the mayor with as little blood shed as possible may the police appointed replacement be a just mayor.

See normally we call that a coup d'etat.

[Ethel mermania]

That's a shame, I like the new bail law. Imprisonment without trial is wrong.

I can see how waiving bail might increase crime (misdemeanor offenders being more likely to criminally offend, being on the streets rather than in jail) but it should only be a temporary effect. The misdeamenor offenders being kept in jail, tried, imprisoned would then, a year or two later, be as likely to offend as the bailed people. Whether the rate of recidivism after jail is higher or lower than before trail, should matter a lot more to us than whether waived-bail crime overlapping with legacy after-prison crime causes a bump of a year or two in total crime figures.

I don't entirely trust the motives of the police in opposing the bail law. Is it protection of the public or protection of their power to impose extrajudicial punishment on those too poor to afford bail?

The problem is many serious felonies were made no bail, and judicial descression was removed.

[Rojava Free State]

Way more than 1% of people hate the NYPD. they have a history of misconduct and brutality, and then when someone gets sick of their shit, they end up killing some cops. The police wanna be able to wage a war on the community but not really because they don't like two Way violence. They'd much rather be able to gang up on and curb stomp some poor black and Hispanic kids in the Bronx than be shot, or even worse actually held accountable for their actions. Some folks are gonna be outraged by how I feel but I don't say things to please people. I say what I feel, and I can't stand the culture of violence and silence in police in America, and in many other countries worldwide.

That being said, we do need policing though. I would hope that somebody in the local areas of new York would be willing to step in now that the NYPD is stepping down. Btw I'm not totally pro De Blasio, since de blasio has said some shit that made me roll my eyes. He once said his son who is mixed raced had to fear cops. lmao, de blasio's son is a rich and privileged brat who's the son of a mayor. The police are on his side. As far as I'm concerned, people like Bill De Blasio are as against us as the police are.

[Rojava Free State]

Well the cops should remove the mayor with as little blood shed as possible may the police appointed replacement be a just mayor.

An NYPD appointed mayor would be like a city scale version of the Argentine military dictatorship

[Rojava Free State]

They’re definitely not a good idea. I’m all for Criminal Justice Reform, but holy shit that was not the way to go.

If you're a fan of the merciless carceral state, a two-tiered criminal justice system, and looking like you're tough on crime without actually being tough on crime, you're absolutely correct.

Bail should be decided on an individual basis and a violent criminal shouldn't be getting it. Seriously if you let a violent offender out on bail, they're gonna go kick someone's ass. I'm all for criminal justice reform but there's reform and then there's being a dickhead. Let the guys outta prison who are there on non violent drug offenses, not the people who actually did some serious shit.

This is another thing I'm not fond of about de blasio, despite also not liking the NYPD

[Ors Might]

Eh. This DeBlasio guy sounds like a bit of a dick. Good on NYPD.

Police unions are the only bad unions.

Comrade no

[San Lumen]

. Imagine a domestic violence incident or someone Is trying up break into an apartment and the caller being told “cops don’t serve your area and no one if coming. Goodbye” I don’t think it would even remotely be funny

It already happens in parts of Chicago

I doubt it

Well the cops should remove the mayor with as little blood shed as possible may the police appointed replacement be a just mayor.

How about no? That’s called a coup. The mayor was elected in a free and fair election.

[Gravlen]

If you're a fan of the merciless carceral state, a two-tiered criminal justice system, and looking like you're tough on crime without actually being tough on crime, you're absolutely correct.

Bail should be decided on an individual basis and a violent criminal shouldn't be getting it. Seriously if you let a violent offender out on bail, they're gonna go kick someone's ass. I'm all for criminal justice reform but there's reform and then there's being a dickhead. Let the guys outta prison who are there on non violent drug offenses, not the people who actually did some serious shit.

This is another thing I'm not fond of about de blasio, despite also not liking the NYPD

So... like under the new bail law?

Under the new bail law, prosecutors can only ask for bail or pretrial detention in certain felony cases – including almost all violent felonies – and a handful of misdemeanor charges. Nearly all Class A felonies – the most serious category of crime, including murder, first-degree arson and first-degree kidnapping – are still eligible for bail or pretrial detention. So are the vast majority of felony sex offenses. Witness tampering and witness intimidation also fall under that category, as do terrorism and terrorism-related charges.

Most other misdemeanors, nonviolent felonies and a couple categories of violent felonies now lead to someone being automatically released.

So which violent felonies are excluded?

The two “violent felonies” that lead to an automatic release are second-degree burglary and second-degree robbery, but only in very specific instances. For the burglary charge, the automatic release only occurs if the building that the defendant is accused of breaking into is a “dwelling.” In other words, if someone is unarmed, does not threaten anyone and does not harm anyone when breaking into a home, that person will now be automatically released. Similarly, someone accused of second-degree robbery can only be released if that person is helped by a second person, but neither caused physical harm or displayed a weapon.

What to know about the state’s new bail reform law

Actually, it's not accurate to say it's like the new law, because even under the old law, judges could not "directly consider the danger someone might pose to the community or other individuals when setting bail or determining whether someone should be held in jail before trial", only whether someone who had been charged with a crime were likely to return for their court dates.

In addition, the law has not changed what judges are permitted to consider in setting bail. Unlike almost all other states, judges in New York are not permitted to detain people due to concerns that they will pose a danger to the community if released. This part of the legislation is consistent with longstanding law in New York, which has prohibited the consideration of dangerousness in setting bail since 1971 in order to ensure that those charged with crimes are afforded the presumption of innocence.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/new-yorks-upcoming-bail-reform-changes-explained