Compelled speech

[Fartsniffage]

There's no law that says you have to have a porn site, so I don't see this as "compelled speech". If you don't want the age warning, just don't put porn on your website. And if you don't want to show a license plate (could also be seen as "compelled speech"), don't drive a car. Simple.

I see. And would you be okay with "if you don't want the age warning, don't put political speech some people wish they could censor on your website" as well?

The warning isn't a law. It's not a free speech issue.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

I see. And would you be okay with "if you don't want the age warning, don't put political speech some people wish they could censor on your website" as well?

The warning isn't a law. It's not a free speech issue.

Then why does the warning often come with other legal disclaimers, like "or of the legal age to view pornography in your community"? Sure, it's not exactly an enforceable law, but does treating it as one in any way run afoul of freedom of speech?

[Necroghastia]

There's no law that says you have to have a porn site, so I don't see this as "compelled speech". If you don't want the age warning, just don't put porn on your website. And if you don't want to show a license plate (could also be seen as "compelled speech"), don't drive a car. Simple.

I see. And would you be okay with "if you don't want the age warning, don't put political speech some people wish they could censor on your website" as well?

Since when was there an age of consent for political discourse?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

How about taking an oath in school?

I've heard it's sometimes (always?) optional, but it's not really if you have to be in the same room clearly not taking it. That's going to make you a target for bullying and ostracization.

And other things in school, perhaps they don't matter since "there is no free speech in school" … or perhaps they do matter since giving voice to something has power over ones own mind.

[United Dependencies]

Then why does the warning often come with other legal disclaimers, like "or of the legal age to view pornography in your community"? Sure, it's not exactly an enforceable law, but does treating it as one in any way run afoul of freedom of speech?

It's a notice that viewing the content may be illegal or actionable under laws of the jurisdiction where the viewer lives. I would imagine that the website doesn't have to post it (unless there is a law requiring it) but it helps alleviate their liability.

[Alvecia]

I think absolute freedom is absolute anarchy. The world is too messy a place to have absolute anything really.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I think absolute freedom is absolute anarchy. The world is too messy a place to have absolute anything really.

Both good points, though the first is a bit absolutist perhaps.

[Alvecia]

I think absolute freedom is absolute anarchy. The world is too messy a place to have absolute anything really.

Both good points, though the first is a bit absolutist perhaps.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Both good points, though the first is a bit absolutist perhaps.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes

And no more Sith, so …

Freedom of speech has limits, and I guess compelled speech has some lower limit too. Some questions demand an answer.

[Ethel mermania]

The warning isn't a law. It's not a free speech issue.

Then why does the warning often come with other legal disclaimers, like "or of the legal age to view pornography in your community"? Sure, it's not exactly an enforceable law, but does treating it as one in any way run afoul of freedom of speech?

Freedom to avoid lawsuits for leading minors to porn. If you go to a porn site the site can argue it's legal, if s for adults only, you know what you are getting. If you to tumblr (or use to), it's not expected, but it was still there. If they get sued the first defense is the person knew what they were doing in looking at porn, we warned then.


You still have not answered my question to you. Are you saying all "compelled" speech is bad?

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The warning isn't a law. It's not a free speech issue.

Then why does the warning often come with other legal disclaimers, like "or of the legal age to view pornography in your community"? Sure, it's not exactly an enforceable law, but does treating it as one in any way run afoul of freedom of speech?

Nothing happens when a 17 year old clicks "yes I am 18" on a porn site.

[Ifreann]

I think absolute freedom is absolute anarchy. The world is too messy a place to have absolute anything really.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Then why does the warning often come with other legal disclaimers, like "or of the legal age to view pornography in your community"? Sure, it's not exactly an enforceable law, but does treating it as one in any way run afoul of freedom of speech?

Freedom to avoid lawsuits for leading minors to porn. If you go to a porn site the site can argue it's legal, if s for adults only, you know what you are getting. If you to tumblr (or use to), it's not expected, but it was still there. If they get sued the first defense is the person knew what they were doing in looking at porn, we warned then.


You still have not answered my question to you. Are you saying all "compelled" speech is bad?

I already answered that in the OP. Read it.

[Sundiata]

Gotta love how we're worried about 16 year old boys watching porn, as if that isn't normal.

It's unfortunate that anyone consumes or participates in the production of pornography. It's degrading, especially towards women.

[Ethel mermania]

Freedom to avoid lawsuits for leading minors to porn. If you go to a porn site the site can argue it's legal, if s for adults only, you know what you are getting. If you to tumblr (or use to), it's not expected, but it was still there. If they get sued the first defense is the person knew what they were doing in looking at porn, we warned then.


You still have not answered my question to you. Are you saying all "compelled" speech is bad?

I already answered that in the OP. Read it.

So you are not going to answer my question, thanks.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

I already answered that in the OP. Read it.

So you are not going to answer my question, thanks.

I already have. Not my fault you didn't notice.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Gotta love how we're worried about 16 year old boys watching porn, as if that isn't normal.

It's unfortunate that anyone consumes or participates in the production of pornography. It's degrading, especially towards women.

The employees, or the viewers? Because I'm pretty sure the drawn stuff is no more "degrading" than many things that are more clearly protected by freedom of speech.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

I remember there was a lawsuit about requiring students to recite the pledge of allegiance. They no longer are due to the mention of god.

[Fartsniffage]

The warning isn't a law. It's not a free speech issue.

Then why does the warning often come with other legal disclaimers, like "or of the legal age to view pornography in your community"? Sure, it's not exactly an enforceable law, but does treating it as one in any way run afoul of freedom of speech?

It is not a legal requirement for porn sites to have the message. Therefore it is not a free speech issue. This is very simple.

[Bear Stearns]

The porn warnings are so the sites don't get sued when a shitty parent finds out their 15 year old son was watching anal fisting videos and would rather blame the website for not having any 'warning' that will magically make Lil Jimmy go "Golly gee willikers, this website is inappropriate for me! Back to Disney.com (with my parents' permission) pronto!"

Porn executives are human scum and will swing from gallows when the revolution happens.

[Cekoviu]

The porn warnings are so the sites don't get sued when a shitty parent finds out their 15 year old son was watching anal fisting videos and would rather blame the website for not having any 'warning' that will magically make Lil Jimmy go "Golly gee willikers, this website is inappropriate for me! Back to Disney.com (with my parents' permission) pronto!"

Porn executives are human scum and will swing from gallows when the revolution happens.

This is a fun conversation.

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The porn warnings are so the sites don't get sued when a shitty parent finds out their 15 year old son was watching anal fisting videos and would rather blame the website for not having any 'warning' that will magically make Lil Jimmy go "Golly gee willikers, this website is inappropriate for me! Back to Disney.com (with my parents' permission) pronto!"

Porn executives are human scum and will swing from gallows when the revolution happens.

Whose revolution?

[Ethel mermania]

The porn warnings are so the sites don't get sued when a shitty parent finds out their 15 year old son was watching anal fisting videos and would rather blame the website for not having any 'warning' that will magically make Lil Jimmy go "Golly gee willikers, this website is inappropriate for me! Back to Disney.com (with my parents' permission) pronto!"

Porn executives are human scum and will swing from gallows when the revolution happens.

Kinky

[Nuroblav]

Not a big fan of compelled speech if you have to ask.

I remember there was a lawsuit about requiring students to recite the pledge of allegiance. They no longer are due to the mention of god.

Here in the UK I laugh at the face of any of you having to make a pledge. Don't worry, you can laugh at our gun laws if you like