German fascist form regional coalition with centre-right

[Heloin]

Good. Hopefully they succeed.

They failed instantly.

[Nakena]

There was no coalition formed to begin with.

[North German Realm]

They should't have to be the bigger man though. They've been one of -if not the- worst treated people all over the world throughout written history. Any reaction by the Jews to an opposition to the Jewish State is by the nature of their history completely justified as that opposition is naturally a threat to the continued existence of Jews, no matter how disproportionate. Are you sure you're not an asshole?

Except for the fact that there are Jews outside of Israel, and so opposing Israel itself is about as much of a threat to the continued existence of Jews as squashing an ant is to the survival of a colony.

You're free to believe that if you want.

[Heloin]

They failed instantly.

How?

New election because everyone rightly got angry at the CDU in Thuringia about working with fascists in any capacity whatsoever.

[Heloin]

New election because everyone rightly got angry at the CDU in Thuringia about working with fascists in any capacity whatsoever.

How are they fascists again?

Why is calling a extreme far right party, who work alongside and supports neo-nazis, fascist a controversial statement?

[Heloin]

What Neo-Nazis have they been working with?

Well their party membership for a start and Pegida for a different group of neonazis.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Why is calling a extreme far right party, who work alongside and supports neo-nazis, fascist a controversial statement?

Because you might offend them.

[Heloin]

Why is calling a extreme far right party, who work alongside and supports neo-nazis, fascist a controversial statement?

Because you might offend them.

What could be a worse travesty then hurting the feelings of fascists?

[Novus America]

And Germany is plunged into further political chaos by this.
Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, Merkel’s successor and leader of the CDU is stepping down, and will not run for chancellor in part because of this.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... rewall-row

[Nakena]

And Germany is plunged into further political chaos by this.
Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, Merkel’s successor and leader of the CDU is stepping down, and will not run for chancellor in part because of this.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... rewall-row

From what I gathered they suffering a major internal crisis.

[Geneviev]

And Germany is plunged into further political chaos by this.
Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, Merkel’s successor and leader of the CDU is stepping down, and will not run for chancellor in part because of this.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... rewall-row

From what I gathered they suffering a major internal crisis.

Yep. The CDU is not going to survive all of this, if you ask me. Maybe even the GroKo will end. From there, who knows what will happen. That's what you should expect from the influence of fascists being allowed in Germany.

[Slavakino]

Far-Right sure. Neo-fascist? Bit far to call the AfD fascist

[Geneviev]

Far-Right sure. Neo-fascist? Bit far to call the AfD fascist

They definitely have a lot of support from fascists for a party that isn't fascist.

[Major-Tom]

Far-Right sure. Neo-fascist? Bit far to call the AfD fascist

Y'know, at what point do we stop shifting the goalposts and just call a spade a spade? Like, if you're willing to say "hey, far-right, sure," then you're essentially implying fascism without wanting to explicitly say it.

[Nakena]

Far-Right sure. Neo-fascist? Bit far to call the AfD fascist

Y'know, at what point do we stop shifting the goalposts and just call a spade a spade? Like, if you're willing to say "hey, far-right, sure," then you're essentially implying fascism without wanting to explicitly say it.

They have some volkish nationalist elements inside them. Of the good, the bad and the ugly, the two later ones dominate the party. But fascist? Nah.

I think Slavakino as titoist is beyond any doubt of shifting goalposts here.

[Major-Tom]

Y'know, at what point do we stop shifting the goalposts and just call a spade a spade? Like, if you're willing to say "hey, far-right, sure," then you're essentially implying fascism without wanting to explicitly say it.

They have some volkish nationalist elements inside them. Of the good, the bad and the ugly, the two later ones dominate the party. But fascist? Nah.

I think Slavakino as titoist is beyond any doubt of shifting goalposts here.

You know me, I like to speak broadly and without room for subtlety a lot of the time.

For me, I know there are certainly distinctions between an AFD or any other European far-right populist damp towel of a political party and true fascism. That said, those distinctions seem insignificant to me in today's day and age. If a political party is willing to draw back on old fascist tropes and rhetoric, and use their successes to demonize people, then I'll just call them a bunch of fash. I have no room for carefully parsing my words when it comes to legitimate far-right groupings (IE, AFD after their leadership changes).

Back to the topic at hand, it looks like Thuringia isn't going to see a government unless a new election is called, so I suppose the whole debate over semantics can rest for now.

[Nakena]

They have some volkish nationalist elements inside them. Of the good, the bad and the ugly, the two later ones dominate the party. But fascist? Nah.

I think Slavakino as titoist is beyond any doubt of shifting goalposts here.

You know me, I like to speak broadly and without room for subtlety a lot of the time.

For me, I know there are certainly distinctions between an AFD or any other European far-right populist damp towel of a political party and true fascism. That said, those distinctions seem insignificant to me in today's day and age. If a political party is willing to draw back on old fascist tropes and rhetoric, and use their successes to demonize people, then I'll just call them a bunch of fash. I have no room for carefully parsing my words when it comes to legitimate far-right groupings (IE, AFD after their leadership changes).

Well yeah I admit as someone who had some first hand experience with the international far-right movement I'd like to differentiate.

Specifically since nobody, but a very few people, call themself Fascist nowadays or stand in the tradition of Mussolini, Mosley and Codreanu etc or to something close to that (Primo de Rivera, Integralism, etc). I define fascism not as something that is being applied if certain characteristics or checkboxes are filled, but rather as something that does stand in a certain line of tradition. Or must be sufficiently similar at least. So its not a generalized thing that can show up if X conditions are fulfilled but its something unique.

And that shall be my last word on the matter here in this topic.

Back to the topic at hand, it looks like Thuringia isn't going to see a government unless a new election is called, so I suppose the whole debate over semantics can rest for now.

Likely new elections won't fix the mess though. In the end if they had some smartness they could have made a popular front coalition against the AfD. But alas they dont and so this does remain an huge victory for the AfD and their ebin troll. They pull one move and all of german politicis go into crazy mode.

[Tigenia]

The AfD was never fascist.
It's funny how people apparently know better..

[Slavakino]

Far-Right sure. Neo-fascist? Bit far to call the AfD fascist

Y'know, at what point do we stop shifting the goalposts and just call a spade a spade? Like, if you're willing to say "hey, far-right, sure," then you're essentially implying fascism without wanting to explicitly say it.

I mean the far-right is quite vague by itself. But it doesn't generally mean its well Fascist. Ultranationalism and Totalitarianism are the two factors of fascism

[Hakons]

From what I gathered they suffering a major internal crisis.

Yep. The CDU is not going to survive all of this, if you ask me. Maybe even the GroKo will end. From there, who knows what will happen. That's what you should expect from the influence of fascists being allowed in Germany.

It's hard to believe you don't understand falsely calling people fascist makes people more sympathetic to them. I'm becoming more sympathetic to them at this point. The AfD isn't fascist. Fascism has an actual definition and actual historical examples. Being right-wing or far right doesn't make one fascist.

And what are you implying by ""fascists"" being "allowed in Germany." Would you prefer AfD to be shut down? Political suppression of a legal political movement in the name of anti-fascism?

And the CDU is absolutely going to survive this. It's a resilient party that leads in the majority of constituencies across Germany.

[Nakena]

Yep. The CDU is not going to survive all of this, if you ask me. Maybe even the GroKo will end. From there, who knows what will happen.

Thats most due internal structural issues of the CDU. The Great Coalition is eitherway suffering from an even smaller basis. The problem is that the contemporary parties are not accurately representing the different parts of the electorate and their wishes and desires anymore. So the parties are torn apart. Thats why the Greens surges so much as they do represent the juste milieu of pesudo-left-liberal middle class people who drink smoothies and care about ecological stuff, progressivism and luv refugees. As long as they later dont come into their neighbourhood or on the same schools as their kids that is...

That's what you should expect from the influence of fascists being allowed in Germany.

Nah thats the fault of the major parties to throw themself into the abyss over it and getting hysteric over it. There would have been many different options to deal with the situation. But the way they done, they increased the power level of the AfD's ebin troll by several magnitudes.

And the CDU is absolutely going to survive this. It's a resilient party that leads in the majority of constituencies across Germany.

Depends on which candidate they choose for new leader. Its going to be a social-catholic communitarian vs a neoliberal.

[Phoenicaea]

^_Hakons, be prudent. if you live in europe you see it, some thing is the habit and different thing is substance which matters. moderates don t care morals.

they dress fascism out of guardrobe in two days, if you get naif or you give them little incentive to do so.

[Nakena]

BERLIN (AP) — German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Saturday fired a government official whose congratulating of a state governor elected with a far-right party's help angered Merkel's coalition partners.

Christian Hirte, a member of Merkel's Christian Democratic Union who was the government's commissioner for the formerly communist east and a deputy economy minister, tweeted that he resigned after Merkel told him he could no longer do the job. Merkel's spokesman, Steffen Seibert, confirmed his dismissal.

Hirte's departure is the latest fallout from the shock election Wednesday of pro-business politician Thomas Kemmerich as governor of the eastern state of Thuringia. The far-right Alternative for Germany, or AfD, enabled it by supporting him in a vote in the state legislature — as did the regional branch of Merkel's CDU, against the wishes of its national leadership.

Kemmerich's acceptance of AfD's votes appalled left-leaning parties and many in his own center-right camp. Merkel called his election “inexcusable.” The politician from the small Free Democrats announced the day after he was elected that he planned to step down, though it isn't yet clear when that will happen or whether the state will hold a new election.

Hirte, a deputy leader of the CDU's Thuringia branch who sits in the national parliament, had congratulated Kemmerich on his “election as a candidate of the center,” tweeting that it showed the state had voted out its previous left-wing government, and making no mention of AfD's role.

https://yourvalley.net/stories/germanys ... sco,137709?

[Loben The 2nd]

BERLIN (AP) — German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Saturday fired a government official whose congratulating of a state governor elected with a far-right party's help angered Merkel's coalition partners.

Christian Hirte, a member of Merkel's Christian Democratic Union who was the government's commissioner for the formerly communist east and a deputy economy minister, tweeted that he resigned after Merkel told him he could no longer do the job. Merkel's spokesman, Steffen Seibert, confirmed his dismissal.

Hirte's departure is the latest fallout from the shock election Wednesday of pro-business politician Thomas Kemmerich as governor of the eastern state of Thuringia. The far-right Alternative for Germany, or AfD, enabled it by supporting him in a vote in the state legislature — as did the regional branch of Merkel's CDU, against the wishes of its national leadership.

Kemmerich's acceptance of AfD's votes appalled left-leaning parties and many in his own center-right camp. Merkel called his election “inexcusable.” The politician from the small Free Democrats announced the day after he was elected that he planned to step down, though it isn't yet clear when that will happen or whether the state will hold a new election.

Hirte, a deputy leader of the CDU's Thuringia branch who sits in the national parliament, had congratulated Kemmerich on his “election as a candidate of the center,” tweeting that it showed the state had voted out its previous left-wing government, and making no mention of AfD's role.

https://yourvalley.net/stories/germanys ... sco,137709?

One has to wonder how angry she truly is.

[Saiwania]

Whatever Angela Merkel doesn't like is probably better for Germany than anything she wants in terms of politics. Thuringia it should be noted, was one of the places the NSDAP had the most success early on, not urban places like Berlin that went Communist. Thuringia is continuing the proud tradition of choosing rightist parties like the AfD over more Liberal offerings.