German fascist form regional coalition with centre-right

[Proctopeo]

There "should be"? Either you're making a baseless claim or you want there to be more people with such beliefs in the US.
And, yes, "low hundreds" was a low estimate, but the point made by the estimate still remains sound: the number of these people is too low for them to have been any more than a drop in the bucket, turnout-wise.


I was confused because the recent discussion chain was about Donald Trump being elected God-King of America by the KKK.


A "Nazi" is a member of the NSDAP; a "neo-Nazi" is someone who mostly aligns with the beliefs of the Nazis - if they're too different from the beliefs of the Nazis, they're not a neo-Nazi, though they may still be a fascist/ultranationalist/anti-semite. These four things aren't synonymous with each other.


It can be. Especially if accusations of being a Nazi are unfounded and ridiculous, as they often are.

Was trump elected because of nazis? Probably not
Was trump elected because of fascists? Maybe
Was trump elected because of racism? I would say almost certainly considering half his platform was "arabs bad, Mexicans bad, need more immigrants from norway!"

I'd add some nuance to that and say "partially"; he also ran heavily on "draining the swamp"/going against the establishment politicians, as well as not being Hillary Clinton.

[Rojava Free State]

Was trump elected because of nazis? Probably not
Was trump elected because of fascists? Maybe
Was trump elected because of racism? I would say almost certainly considering half his platform was "arabs bad, Mexicans bad, need more immigrants from norway!"

I'd add some nuance to that and say "partially"; he also ran heavily on "draining the swamp"/going against the establishment politicians, as well as not being Hillary Clinton.

My point was that racism isn't totally the same as fascism and fascism isn't just nazism. Actual nazis in america are maybe 5% of the population. White supremacists are probably more like 25% at least

[Proctopeo]

I'd add some nuance to that and say "partially"; he also ran heavily on "draining the swamp"/going against the establishment politicians, as well as not being Hillary Clinton.

My point was that racism isn't totally the same as fascism and fascism isn't just nazism. Actual nazis in america are maybe 5% of the population. White supremacists are probably more like 25% at least

Those are both extremely high estimates. I'd say more... 0.002% Nazis, 0.05% any brand of racial supremacist.

[Rojava Free State]

My point was that racism isn't totally the same as fascism and fascism isn't just nazism. Actual nazis in america are maybe 5% of the population. White supremacists are probably more like 25% at least

Those are both extremely high estimates. I'd say more... 0.002% Nazis, 0.05% any brand of racial supremacist.

Not really. When polls indicate that about 25% of americans have an unfavorable view of arabs and 33% think most Latinos are illegals, it's clear white supremacy is afoot. White supremacy doesn't mean a clear thought out hierarchy like the one Richard Spencer has. It can be as little as "damn darkies need to go back to their country!"

[Rojava Free State]

Germans and some other european nations still have no shame. How do they dare to vote an xenophobic and anti-semitic party after they have killed 6 million innocent people? As a person of Jewish descendant this makes me insecure.

Not all germans voted for AfP.

[Rojava Free State]

Not all germans voted for AfP.

AfD*

Yes, I am aware of this. But neither did the majority of Germans voted for Hitler yet he still became their chancellor. Germans and Europeans need to be carefull when they vote since many of them have a long history of comiting genocide against non-white people and slavery as well.

They also have a long history of committing violence against each other. Your point?

[Rojava Free State]

They also have a long history of committing violence against each other. Your point?

Yes, but it was not a large scale like the Holocaust. Also the violence was not racially motivated.

Ireland would like to speak with you on that. Also Poland and Russia would considering what the nazis did there. I know this is considered to be offensive, but the holocaust didnt solely target Jews. That's not to downplay how horrible the holocaust was for Jews, but you cant ignore Hitler's hatred for gypsies and slavs as well

[Rojava Free State]

Ireland would like to speak with you on that. Also Poland and Russia would considering what the nazis did there. I know this is considered to be offensive, but the holocaust didnt solely target Jews. That's not to downplay how horrible the holocaust was for Jews, but you cant ignore Hitler's hatred for gypsies and slavs as well

There was never a genocide on the Irish people as far I am aware of. There was skirmish between Protestant Brits and Catholic Irish people but it was not racially motivated-

As for Poles goes they were complicit in the Holocaust as many Poles were telling the Nazis where Jews were hidding. Poland also a large history of antisemitism and it goes even after World War II. Here are examples:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_pogrom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Poli ... ish_origin


The Russians have also a big deal of antisemitism. Stalin was a Jew hater and greater Russian chauvisnist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot

And before the Doctors plot there were pogroms in Czarist Russia.

I want you to answer a question for me. Does minimizing the extent of the holocaust make one a holocaust denier?

[Sao Nova Europa]

From what I understand (correct me if I am wrong), the AfD supported the FDP candidate (without any prior consultation) to prevent the left-wing candidate from becoming PM.

So what? They did not form any formal coalition nor the FDP candidate wanted them in the government. From what I've read (again, correct me if I am wrong), he wanted centrist ministers. What's the big deal? They wouldn't be able to enforce their agenda nor was there any coalition.

[Proctopeo]

Those are both extremely high estimates. I'd say more... 0.002% Nazis, 0.05% any brand of racial supremacist.

Not really. When polls indicate that about 25% of americans have an unfavorable view of arabs and 33% think most Latinos are illegals, it's clear white supremacy is afoot. White supremacy doesn't mean a clear thought out hierarchy like the one Richard Spencer has. It can be as little as "damn darkies need to go back to their country!"

That's just racism, not white supremacy.
Also, what polls?

[Rojava Free State]

Not really. When polls indicate that about 25% of americans have an unfavorable view of arabs and 33% think most Latinos are illegals, it's clear white supremacy is afoot. White supremacy doesn't mean a clear thought out hierarchy like the one Richard Spencer has. It can be as little as "damn darkies need to go back to their country!"

That's just racism, not white supremacy.
Also, what polls?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/arab-ame ... _b_5644041

https://nbclatino.com/2012/09/12/poll-1 ... ocumented/

These two, and the amount of people with unfavorable views of arabs has actually climbed. Also if you're white and you think most other races are inferior primitives compared to you, by default you are a white supremacist

[Rojava Free State]

I want you to answer a question for me. Does minimizing the extent of the holocaust make one a holocaust denier?

Yes, I think so. Holocaust is a only a crime against Jews.

So you're a holocaust denier by your own definition then. Because you dodged what I said about the nazis targeting people besides Jews and said "poles were antisemitic!" You're totally ignoring and white washing the violence against others just so you can pretend your own ethnicity has a monopoly on being a victim of violence

[Nakena]

From what I understand (correct me if I am wrong), the AfD supported the FDP candidate (without any prior consultation) to prevent the left-wing candidate from becoming PM.

So what? They did not form any formal coalition nor the FDP candidate wanted them in the government. From what I've read (again, correct me if I am wrong), he wanted centrist ministers. What's the big deal? They wouldn't be able to enforce their agenda nor was there any coalition.

Because oh noez ze eviluz AfD has shown their power and the FDP didn within 10 nano-seconds reject this ebil scheme by the nazis.

The end of democracy.

[Loben The 2nd]

I want you to answer a question for me. Does minimizing the extent of the holocaust make one a holocaust denier?

Yes, I think so. Holocaust is a only a crime against Jews.

and 5 million others.

[Heloin]

There was never a genocide on the Irish people as far I am aware of.

An Gorta Mór

[Rojava Free State]

So you're a holocaust denier by your own definition then. Because you dodged what I said about the nazis targeting people besides Jews and said "poles were antisemitic!" You're totally ignoring and white washing the violence against others just so you can pretend your own ethnicity has a monopoly on being a victim of violence

This is an attempt to de-judaise the Holocaust. The origins of the Holocaust is in Christianity. Christians were told for century that Jews killed Jesus and that Jews need to be punished for this. This of course evolved into a racial thing over time.

De-judaize? No, it's an attempt to be more real about the holocaust, because folks like you wanna pretend that Hitler was simply anti Jewish and that jews have a monopoly on being victims of prejudice. Newsflash, they dont. Nazism's antisemitic rhetoric was simply one facet of a racist ideology that considered aryans superior to other peoples.

This is how folks like you play. You pretend that only jews were victimized by the holocaust and then when someone points out the fact that no they were not the only victims, you accuse them of being antisemitic.

[Rojava Free State]

There was never a genocide on the Irish people as far I am aware of.

An Gorta Mór

But heloin, they didnt shove them in gas chambers. All the British did was block aid from reaching ireland and let people starve to death so that the plantation of the island would be easier, which is somehow better

[The united American-Isreali empire]

eh i can think of worse, ns has far more leftists then right wing.

[The united American-Isreali empire]

i support the region i am in however, i like it. i do like to see any counter to the fact we are vastly outnumbered.

[Tarsonis]

So you're a holocaust denier by your own definition then. Because you dodged what I said about the nazis targeting people besides Jews and said "poles were antisemitic!" You're totally ignoring and white washing the violence against others just so you can pretend your own ethnicity has a monopoly on being a victim of violence

This is an attempt to de-judaise the Holocaust. The origins of the Holocaust is in Christianity. Christians were told for century that Jews killed Jesus and that Jews need to be punished for this. This of course evolved into a racial thing over time.

Well that's one way to turn victimhood into bigotry: dumb down an issue into such a simplistic level it becomes wrong, and then point the finger at an entire group of people.


Way to turn the tables.

[Rojava Free State]

This is an attempt to de-judaise the Holocaust. The origins of the Holocaust is in Christianity. Christians were told for century that Jews killed Jesus and that Jews need to be punished for this. This of course evolved into a racial thing over time.

Well that's one way to turn victimhood into bigotry: dumb down an issue into such a simplistic level it becomes wrong, and then point the finger at an entire group of people.


Way to turn the tables.

I dont even know what exactly to call this ideology besides Jewish victimhood. It isn't exactly Zionism because you can support Israel without literally minimizing the oppression and violence faced by other peoples, and it isn't just Judaism because that too has nothing to do with competing in the victim Olympics. But its a recurring ideology, to minimize the suffering of others with "but the holocaust" and then wonder why no one likes you.

If anyone else here thinks the holocaust was specifically targeted at only jews, and thinks that other groups haven't experienced violence like the jews have, please speak loudly. I dont think the bosnians, Armenians, tutsi, Greeks, Albanians, Croatians, or Rohygna heard you

[Militant Costco]

Well that's one way to turn victimhood into bigotry: dumb down an issue into such a simplistic level it becomes wrong, and then point the finger at an entire group of people.


Way to turn the tables.

I dont even know what exactly to call this ideology besides Jewish victimhood. It isn't exactly Zionism because you can support Israel without literally minimizing the oppression and violence faced by other peoples, and it isn't just Judaism because that too has nothing to do with competing in the victim Olympics. But its a recurring ideology, to minimize the suffering of others with "but the holocaust" and then wonder why no one likes you.

If anyone else here thinks the holocaust was specifically targeted at only jews, and thinks that other groups haven't experienced violence like the jews have, please speak loudly. I dont think the bosnians, Armenians, tutsi, Greeks, Albanians, Croatians, or Rohygna heard you

World: Has a negative opinion on Israel and (wrongly) turns on Jews.
Israel: Oppresses and kills neighbors, then claims they are the victims.
World: Hates on Israel and (wrongly) Jews more.
Israel: :0

[Rojava Free State]

I dont even know what exactly to call this ideology besides Jewish victimhood. It isn't exactly Zionism because you can support Israel without literally minimizing the oppression and violence faced by other peoples, and it isn't just Judaism because that too has nothing to do with competing in the victim Olympics. But its a recurring ideology, to minimize the suffering of others with "but the holocaust" and then wonder why no one likes you.

If anyone else here thinks the holocaust was specifically targeted at only jews, and thinks that other groups haven't experienced violence like the jews have, please speak loudly. I dont think the bosnians, Armenians, tutsi, Greeks, Albanians, Croatians, or Rohygna heard you

World: Has a negative opinion on Israel and (wrongly) turns on Jews.
Israel: Oppresses and kills neighbors, then claims they are the victims.
World: Hates on Israel and (wrongly) Jews more.
Israel: :0

Whenever a die hard Israel supporter responds to my criticism of Israeli war crimes with "BUT THE HOLOCAUST!" it tells me they're not ready to be the bigger man. Once upon a time, I joined a video call with a friend and there was another guy on there who asked me if I was mexican. I said no, I'm Puerto rican, and he said "great, you're from some other shithole South American country then." If I did things the Israeli way, I would go around berrating and kicking white kids with an angry mob of brown people behind me and calling anyone who condemns my anti white lynch mob as "a hispanophobe!" and yet I didnt, because I'm not a racist asshole. There are of course people who are antisemites, but it doesn't give Israel a good reason to treat non Jews like garbage

[North German Realm]

World: Has a negative opinion on Israel and (wrongly) turns on Jews.
Israel: Oppresses and kills neighbors, then claims they are the victims.
World: Hates on Israel and (wrongly) Jews more.
Israel: :0

Whenever a die hard Israel supporter responds to my criticism of Israeli war crimes with "BUT THE HOLOCAUST!" it tells me they're not ready to be the bigger man. Once upon a time, I joined a video call with a friend and there was another guy on there who asked me if I was mexican. I said no, I'm Puerto rican, and he said "great, you're from some other shithole South American country then." If I did things the Israeli way, I would go around berrating and kicking white kids with an angry mob of brown people behind me and calling anyone who condemns my anti white lynch mob as "a hispanophobe!" and yet I didnt, because I'm not a racist asshole. There are of course people who are antisemites, but it doesn't give Israel a good reason to treat non Jews like garbage

They should't have to be the bigger man though. They've been one of -if not the- worst treated people all over the world throughout written history. Any reaction by the Jews to an opposition to the Jewish State is by the nature of their history completely justified as that opposition is naturally a threat to the continued existence of Jews, no matter how disproportionate. Are you sure you're not an asshole?

[Kowani]

Whenever a die hard Israel supporter responds to my criticism of Israeli war crimes with "BUT THE HOLOCAUST!" it tells me they're not ready to be the bigger man. Once upon a time, I joined a video call with a friend and there was another guy on there who asked me if I was mexican. I said no, I'm Puerto rican, and he said "great, you're from some other shithole South American country then." If I did things the Israeli way, I would go around berrating and kicking white kids with an angry mob of brown people behind me and calling anyone who condemns my anti white lynch mob as "a hispanophobe!" and yet I didnt, because I'm not a racist asshole. There are of course people who are antisemites, but it doesn't give Israel a good reason to treat non Jews like garbage

They should't have to be the bigger man though. They've been one of -if not the- worst treated people all over the world throughout written history. Any reaction by the Jews to an opposition to the Jewish State is by the nature of their history completely justified as that opposition is naturally a threat to the continued existence of Jews, no matter how disproportionate. Are you sure you're not an asshole?

Except for the fact that there are Jews outside of Israel, and so opposing Israel itself is about as much of a threat to the continued existence of Jews as squashing an ant is to the survival of a colony.