German fascist form regional coalition with centre-right

[J o J]

Third Positionist = Not falling on either side of the two-sided political spectrum, but a third position!

Third Positionism was literally created by a bunch of fascists and Nazis after World War II since that particular extravaganza made it really no bueno to be an open fascist or Nazi so they had to label themselves as something else as a smokescreen. The third position is still predominantly and primarily made up of various strains of fascist, neo-Nazi and even white and ethno nationalist. If you’re a third positionist then you are not in good company.

While that may be true, I don't follow fascist, neo-Nazi, or racial supremacist ideals with any capacity. Sure, I am willing to help them out because we share the common enemy of communism/leftism, and that we share some similar social and economic goals, but that doesn't instantly make me one. I support the democratic system for the most part. The third positionism comes in for me in economics mostly, since I take from both sides of the spectrum (A decent portion more from capitalism than socialism though.) Fascists of today, that I ever talk to, typically endorse economic third positionism, and to that I do partake of, but I do not endorse the political side of fascism, specifically, the non-democratic way of government.

Something that was mentioned earlier was that yeah, I associate with some fascists, but they don't brand themselves as third positionist, they brand themselves as fascists and they are proud of it. It doesn't look like they are making any smoke screens to me.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

If they were actual fascists, they would have a militia in the capitol by now.

They isn’t automatically the case these days. Ever since the end of World War 2 fascists know that initiating violence themselves is bad optics, so they have to present themselves with some level of “respectability” and “cleanliness” in order to get anywhere. That’s why you usually see them these days in their neat undercut hairstyles and freshly pressed suits and rarely with swastika armbands, brownshirts and rifles marching on Main Street and massacring minorities and political opponents.

[Hakons]

AfD isn't fascist, but a right-wing democratic political party. If they were actual fascists, they would have a militia in the capitol by now.

That doesn't follow.

It's not a statement of a necessary chain of events, but hyperbole about what fascists would do when they overthrow a government. Here's information on AfD, and here's information on fascism. Feel free to disagree with AfD, I certainly do, but don't make up crap about your political opponents. Everyone that doesn't share your political views can see you're making up crap, and it just strengthens support or tolerance for AfD.

[Ifreann]

Third Positionism was literally created by a bunch of fascists and Nazis after World War II since that particular extravaganza made it really no bueno to be an open fascist or Nazi so they had to label themselves as something else as a smokescreen. The third position is still predominantly and primarily made up of various strains of fascist, neo-Nazi and even white and ethno nationalist. If you’re a third positionist then you are not in good company.

While that may be true, I don't follow fascist, neo-Nazi, or racial supremacist ideals with any capacity. Sure, I am willing to help them out because we share the common enemy of communism/leftism, and that we share some similar social and economic goals, but that doesn't instantly make me one. I support the democratic system for the most part. The third positionism comes in for me in economics mostly, since I take from both sides of the spectrum (A decent portion more from capitalism than socialism though.) Fascists of today, that I ever talk to, typically endorse economic third positionism, and to that I do partake of, but I do not endorse the political side of fascism, specifically, the non-democratic way of government.

Something that was mentioned earlier was that yeah, I associate with some fascists, but they don't brand themselves as third positionist, they brand themselves as fascists and they are proud of it. It doesn't look like they are making any smoke screens to me.

If you're willing to stand and fight beside fascists because first they're going for the communists, then your objections of not sharing all their beliefs are irrelevant.

[Hakons]

Maybe they're just smart enough to realize a new Beer Hall Putsch would be a mistake.

Indeed. The attempt of any military coup in modern Germany would backfire badly. If anything, the slow erosion and loss of trust for democracy is the thing for which we need to watch out.

Have you considered that incorrectly labeling large swaths of people as anti-democratic or fascist contributes to this slow erosion of trust for democracy?

[Necroghastia]

Indeed. The attempt of any military coup in modern Germany would backfire badly. If anything, the slow erosion and loss of trust for democracy is the thing for which we need to watch out.

Have you considered that incorrectly labeling large swaths of people as anti-democratic or fascist contributes to this slow erosion of trust for democracy?

They seem pretty anti-democratic to me.

[Novus America]

AfD is not Fascist per se, but there is a substantial Fascist wing or grouping within the party.
Not all or even most AfD are Fascists, but being AfD does not mean you are not a Fascist either.

It is the nature of Merkel era politics. The CDU used to be right wing, but Merkel moved it substantially to the left, such that it alienated a massive number of right wing types of all stripes who coalesced in to the AfD.

With the SPD and CDU now pretty much the same two alternatives Die Linke (for those more left the milquetoast SPD) and AFD (for those too right for CDU which is SPD lite) formed. Well you have the Greens to as a left wing alternative but no right wing alternative besides AfD.

Not all Die Linke are Stalinists and not all AfD are fascist BUT a not insignificant number are in both cases.

[Ifreann]

Indeed. The attempt of any military coup in modern Germany would backfire badly. If anything, the slow erosion and loss of trust for democracy is the thing for which we need to watch out.

Have you considered that incorrectly labeling large swaths of people as anti-democratic or fascist contributes to this slow erosion of trust for democracy?

Trust in democracy is when you unquestioningly believe everyone who tells you they aren't a fascist.

[The New California Republic]

That doesn't follow.

It's not a statement of a necessary chain of events, but hyperbole about what fascists would do when they overthrow a government.

Hyperbole doesn't usually translate very well to online discussion forums, just saying.

[Hakons]

Have you considered that incorrectly labeling large swaths of people as anti-democratic or fascist contributes to this slow erosion of trust for democracy?

They seem pretty anti-democratic to me.

Anti-democratic as in they want to end representative elections, or anti-democratic as in not fitting in with left-wing opinions on society and democracy? When left-wingers say anti-democratic, in my experience it's usually the latter, and it makes people tune out when the insult is thrown out.

[Hakons]

It's not a statement of a necessary chain of events, but hyperbole about what fascists would do when they overthrow a government.

Hyperbole doesn't usually translate very well to online discussion forums, just saying.

Yeah, sorry for not being clear

[Nakena]

It's not a statement of a necessary chain of events, but hyperbole about what fascists would do when they overthrow a government.

Hyperbole doesn't usually translate very well to online discussion forums, just saying.

Unless I am doing it of course.

[Necroghastia]

They seem pretty anti-democratic to me.

Anti-democratic as in they want to end representative elections, or anti-democratic as in not fitting in with left-wing opinions on society and democracy? When left-wingers say anti-democratic, in my experience it's usually the latter, and it makes people tune out when the insult is thrown out.

With such a prejudiced party platform it's pretty hard to be in favor of a truly representational democracy.

[Novus America]

Anti-democratic as in they want to end representative elections, or anti-democratic as in not fitting in with left-wing opinions on society and democracy? When left-wingers say anti-democratic, in my experience it's usually the latter, and it makes people tune out when the insult is thrown out.

With such a prejudiced party platform it's pretty hard to be in favor of a truly representational democracy.

Well the AfF is a pretty broad group, as it is pretty much everyone to the right of the CDU (which Merkel made into basically the same as the SPD).

So it is quite a grab bag, but it definitely includes Fascists.

It is basically the right wing answer to Die Linke which is not a Stalinist party BUT includes most the Stalinists.

If you are more right in Germany you have little other choice.
CDU is a joke and just SPD lite, FDP is a bunch of neoliberals, and the AfD is quite heavily infiltrated with Fascists.

[Hakons]

Here's a good article on how leadership selection played out this way

2019 elections didn't leave a clear path for government in Thuringia. The Left had the most seats, but aligning with Social Democrats and Greens still wouldn't get them to a majority. The rest of the seats were AfD, Christian Democrats, and Liberals. In the last vote for leadership, where a plurality would win, the Liberals put in a candidate. Liberals and Christian Democrats backed him. Surprisingly the AfD didn't vote for their own candidate, but swung their support for the Liberal candidate, and he won a plurality. It doesn't appear there was coordination for this, since Kemmerich (the winner) vehemently denounced AfD and offered his resignation. The national FDP and CDU parties also denounced the vote.

[Diopolis]

While that may be true, I don't follow fascist, neo-Nazi, or racial supremacist ideals with any capacity. Sure, I am willing to help them out because we share the common enemy of communism/leftism, and that we share some similar social and economic goals, but that doesn't instantly make me one. I support the democratic system for the most part. The third positionism comes in for me in economics mostly, since I take from both sides of the spectrum (A decent portion more from capitalism than socialism though.) Fascists of today, that I ever talk to, typically endorse economic third positionism, and to that I do partake of, but I do not endorse the political side of fascism, specifically, the non-democratic way of government.

Something that was mentioned earlier was that yeah, I associate with some fascists, but they don't brand themselves as third positionist, they brand themselves as fascists and they are proud of it. It doesn't look like they are making any smoke screens to me.

If you're willing to stand and fight beside fascists because first they're going for the communists, then your objections of not sharing all their beliefs are irrelevant.

And if you’re willing to stand and fight besides the communists because first they’re going for the fascists, then your objections of not sharing all their beliefs are irrelevant.

[Samadhi]

Democracy, fascism.

You keep acting as if they are that much different.

It's weird.

Being recognised as a person with inalienable rights, or being shot for not being born in the "right" family.

I keep acting as if they are quite different.

I'm weird, I know.

Neither of them have the first part and they both consistently have the second.

It's probably not you, it's the concept that's weird.

[Ifreann]

If you're willing to stand and fight beside fascists because first they're going for the communists, then your objections of not sharing all their beliefs are irrelevant.

And if you’re willing to stand and fight besides the communists because first they’re going for the fascists, then your objections of not sharing all their beliefs are irrelevant.

Sure.

[The of Korea]

Here's a good article on how leadership selection played out this way

2019 elections didn't leave a clear path for government in Thuringia. The Left had the most seats, but aligning with Social Democrats and Greens still wouldn't get them to a majority. The rest of the seats were AfD, Christian Democrats, and Liberals. In the last vote for leadership, where a plurality would win, the Liberals put in a candidate. Liberals and Christian Democrats backed him. Surprisingly the AfD didn't vote for their own candidate, but swung their support for the Liberal candidate, and he won a plurality. It doesn't appear there was coordination for this, since Kemmerich (the winner) vehemently denounced AfD and offered his resignation. The national FDP and CDU parties also denounced the vote.

interesting. Why did the AfD back the liberal candidate?

[Diopolis]

And if you’re willing to stand and fight besides the communists because first they’re going for the fascists, then your objections of not sharing all their beliefs are irrelevant.

Sure.

Was not expecting consistency.

[Nakena]

Here's a good article on how leadership selection played out this way

2019 elections didn't leave a clear path for government in Thuringia. The Left had the most seats, but aligning with Social Democrats and Greens still wouldn't get them to a majority. The rest of the seats were AfD, Christian Democrats, and Liberals. In the last vote for leadership, where a plurality would win, the Liberals put in a candidate. Liberals and Christian Democrats backed him. Surprisingly the AfD didn't vote for their own candidate, but swung their support for the Liberal candidate, and he won a plurality. It doesn't appear there was coordination for this, since Kemmerich (the winner) vehemently denounced AfD and offered his resignation. The national FDP and CDU parties also denounced the vote.

interesting. Why did the AfD back the liberal candidate?

To show their power and generally cause the very drama that it did now. Shock value. The AfD has morphed into an an anti-system party over the past years.

[Hakons]

interesting. Why did the AfD back the liberal candidate?

To show their power and generally cause the very drama that it did now. Shock value. The AfD has morphed into an an anti-system party over the past years.

To this I would add they stopped the socialists from forming a minority government. They didn't want a Left government, and they wanted to show their political power.

[Bienenhalde]

If you are more right in Germany you have little other choice.
CDU is a joke and just SPD lite, FDP is a bunch of neoliberals, and the AfD is quite heavily infiltrated with Fascists.

What is so bad about the CDU? I mean they might not be hard-core political dogmatists, but I think they have done a pretty good job of running Germany lately.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

If you are more right in Germany you have little other choice.
CDU is a joke and just SPD lite, FDP is a bunch of neoliberals, and the AfD is quite heavily infiltrated with Fascists.

What is so bad about the CDU? I mean they might not be hard-core political dogmatists, but I think they have done a pretty good job of running Germany lately.

Collaboration with fascists now, it appears.

[Bienenhalde]

What is so bad about the CDU? I mean they might not be hard-core political dogmatists, but I think they have done a pretty good job of running Germany lately.

Collaboration with fascists now, it appears.

Except many fascists and other right-wingers keep condemning them for allegedly not really being right-wing. And the Thuringian CDU did not even form an alliance with the AFD. They just supported a mainstream moderate candidate that the AFD also supported even though neither the CDU nor Mr. Kemmerich were actually trying to get support from the AFD.