German fascist form regional coalition with centre-right

[Greed and Death]

Outlawing the Nazi speech only seems to have made it worse, maybe if you took a more American approach you wouldn't be having the Nazis get elected into government again.

Americans are doing no better, presumably because there is little difference between not enforcing the law and not having a law.

I don't know we never had Nazis elected in the government. The Germans had the Nazis elected in the 20's and 30's. In fact it looks like a once a century cycle.

[Geneviev]

Americans are doing no better, presumably because there is little difference between not enforcing the law and not having a law.

I don't know we never had Nazis elected in the government. The Germans had the Nazis elected in the 20's and 30's. In fact it looks like a once a century cycle.

I mean, you don't call them Nazis, but people like Donald Trump were elected after being endorsed by the KKK. There's not much difference other than the different languages.

[Bear Stearns]

I don't know we never had Nazis elected in the government. The Germans had the Nazis elected in the 20's and 30's. In fact it looks like a once a century cycle.

I mean, you don't call them Nazis, but people like Donald Trump were elected after being endorsed by the KKK. There's not much difference other than the different languages.

You say this like the KKK's "endorsement" is what put Trump over the top.

[Greed and Death]

I don't know we never had Nazis elected in the government. The Germans had the Nazis elected in the 20's and 30's. In fact it looks like a once a century cycle.

I mean, you don't call them Nazis, but people like Donald Trump were elected after being endorsed by the KKK. There's not much difference other than the different languages.

The KKK also endorsed Tulsi Gabbard

https://www.rollcall.com/2019/02/06/tul ... dorsement/

And letting them exercise speech and endorse people with little affect is not the same as bloody electing them.

[Geneviev]

I mean, you don't call them Nazis, but people like Donald Trump were elected after being endorsed by the KKK. There's not much difference other than the different languages.

You say this like the KKK's "endorsement" is what put Trump over the top.

I could also point out that many of the things he says are just as obviously racist as any of our Nazis. Or the fact that the KKK even still exists. The NSDAP is dead, at least. We're doing better than you are in that regard.

[Bear Stearns]

You say this like the KKK's "endorsement" is what put Trump over the top.

I could also point out that many of the things he says are just as obviously racist as any of our Nazis.

No it isn't.

Or the fact that the KKK even still exists.

As a Fed honeypot mainly.

The NSDAP is dead, at least. We're doing better than you are in that regard.

None of this is relevant.

[Greed and Death]

You say this like the KKK's "endorsement" is what put Trump over the top.

I could also point out that many of the things he says are just as obviously racist as any of our Nazis. Or the fact that the KKK even still exists. The NSDAP is dead, at least. We're doing better than you are in that regard.

Yes keep telling me more about how Trump is Literally Hitler.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You say this like the KKK's "endorsement" is what put Trump over the top.

I could also point out that many of the things he says are just as obviously racist as any of our Nazis. Or the fact that the KKK even still exists. The NSDAP is dead, at least. We're doing better than you are in that regard.

The problem is that what’s happening in Germany right now is a direct result of banning an ideology from speaking. It was driven underground and often, when you do that, what you get is an uber radicalized group you haven’t been keeping tabs on because officially, they are not supposed to exist.

[Radiatia]

I thought this would about the NPD and got worried, but no just another OP by a leftist who doesn't know what fascism is and who thinks the AfD (who I'm not a giant fan of, to be fair) are fascists because that's what they say about anyone to the right of Stalin these days.

Yawn.

[Geneviev]

I could also point out that many of the things he says are just as obviously racist as any of our Nazis.

No it isn't.

Or the fact that the KKK even still exists.

As a Fed honeypot mainly.

The NSDAP is dead, at least. We're doing better than you are in that regard.

None of this is relevant.

Rapists and murderers is just as extreme as terrorists. And it is relevant, given that a fascist organization no longer exists as a result of being made illegal.

I could also point out that many of the things he says are just as obviously racist as any of our Nazis. Or the fact that the KKK even still exists. The NSDAP is dead, at least. We're doing better than you are in that regard.

Yes keep telling me more about how Trump is Literally Hitler.

No, he's not. But he bears some similarities to our modern AfD politicians.

[Bear Stearns]

No it isn't.



As a Fed honeypot mainly.



None of this is relevant.

Rapists and murderers is just as extreme as terrorists. And it is relevant, given that a fascist organization no longer exists as a result of being made illegal.

Do you advocate making it illegal to be a Trump supporter?

[Geneviev]

Rapists and murderers is just as extreme as terrorists. And it is relevant, given that a fascist organization no longer exists as a result of being made illegal.

Do you advocate making it illegal to be a Trump supporter?

Absolutely not. People have the right to support whoever they want, just as much as people have the right to human dignity. You need to find a balance between those two.

[Novus America]

You say this like the KKK's "endorsement" is what put Trump over the top.

I could also point out that many of the things he says are just as obviously racist as any of our Nazis. Or the fact that the KKK even still exists. The NSDAP is dead, at least. We're doing better than you are in that regard.

The KKK does not exist as a single organization. There are several KKKs, each made up of a tiny number of people whose power is very little if any. They are largely negligible and irrelevant now.

That is why saying THE KKK endorsed someone is wrong. It would be A KKK endorsed someone.
And either way it is not very important because their endorsement is meaningless because they have no real power.

And are under constant surveillance.

[Eglaecia]

You say this like the KKK's "endorsement" is what put Trump over the top.

I could also point out that many of the things he says are just as obviously racist as any of our Nazis. Or the fact that the KKK even still exists. The NSDAP is dead, at least. We're doing better than you are in that regard.

Yeah, you're welcome for that

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I mean, you don't call them Nazis, but people like Donald Trump were elected after being endorsed by the KKK. There's not much difference other than the different languages.

You say this like the KKK's "endorsement" is what put Trump over the top.

That's not an entirely unreasonable assertion. While Trump lost the popular vote by more than 3 million, America still holds on to the vestige of slavery times that is the Electoral College, and all it took to swing the election was a few thousand votes in a few states.

I imagine there were quite a few nazis who had up until 2016 abstained from voting due to the belief that the Republican Party was no less controlled by the globalist-Jewish-illuminati-postmodernist shadow government who were convinced that Trump was actually on their side.

[Rojava Free State]

I don't know we never had Nazis elected in the government. The Germans had the Nazis elected in the 20's and 30's. In fact it looks like a once a century cycle.

I mean, you don't call them Nazis, but people like Donald Trump were elected after being endorsed by the KKK. There's not much difference other than the different languages.

The difference is that nazis are actual ideologues whereas trump is a selfish con artist who would have run as a satanist if that's what it took to win an election. Hes been a Democrat, independent and a Republican. Hes been pro life and pro choice. Trump just liked the idea of being president, but the only real authoritarian policy I could see him trying to put in place would be to silence critics of his (which is horrible btw, because that would still make him a tyrant).

[Proctopeo]

You say this like the KKK's "endorsement" is what put Trump over the top.

That's not an entirely unreasonable assertion. While Trump lost the popular vote by more than 3 million, America still holds on to the vestige of slavery times that is the Electoral College, and all it took to swing the election was a few thousand votes in a few states.

"vestige of slavery times"
lmao

I imagine there were quite a few nazis who had up until 2016 abstained from voting due to the belief that the Republican Party was no less controlled by the globalist-Jewish-illuminati-postmodernist shadow government who were convinced that Trump was actually on their side.

I'd ask "how many" but I'd get an ass-pull of a number. Your imagination is in all likelihood causing you to overvalue a movement whose numbers are in the low hundreds at best.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

That's not an entirely unreasonable assertion. While Trump lost the popular vote by more than 3 million, America still holds on to the vestige of slavery times that is the Electoral College, and all it took to swing the election was a few thousand votes in a few states.

"vestige of slavery times"
lmao

I imagine there were quite a few nazis who had up until 2016 abstained from voting due to the belief that the Republican Party was no less controlled by the globalist-Jewish-illuminati-postmodernist shadow government who were convinced that Trump was actually on their side.

I'd ask "how many" but I'd get an ass-pull of a number. Your imagination is in all likelihood causing you to overvalue a movement whose numbers are in the low hundreds at best.

There were more people than that at the Charlotte rally, which was a neo-Nazi event. And when you look at Pegida rallies, you can easily see how influential those people still are. Clever Nazis just learned how to play the game.

[Proctopeo]

"vestige of slavery times"
lmao


I'd ask "how many" but I'd get an ass-pull of a number. Your imagination is in all likelihood causing you to overvalue a movement whose numbers are in the low hundreds at best.

There were more people than that at the Charlotte rally, which was a neo-Nazi event.

Evidence that there were more people?

And when you look at Pegida rallies, you can easily see how influential those people still are. Clever Nazis just learned how to play the game.

Pegida is far-right and anti-Islam, but not neo-Nazi, and perhaps more crucially, not relevant to the United States. It's almost exclusively a European phenomenon, which makes sense as it's a reaction to the migrant crisis.

[Risottia]

Pegida is far-right and anti-Islam, but not neo-Nazi,

wiki:Pegida
In 2015, Lutz Bachmann, the founder of Pegida, resigned from the movement after reportedly posing as Adolf Hitler and making racist statements on Facebook.[13] He was later reinstated.[14]

and perhaps more crucially, not relevant to the United States. It's almost exclusively a European phenomenon, which makes sense as it's a reaction to the migrant crisis.

It's called "SIOA" over there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Isla ... of_America

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

There were more people than that at the Charlotte rally, which was a neo-Nazi event.

Evidence that there were more people?

And when you look at Pegida rallies, you can easily see how influential those people still are. Clever Nazis just learned how to play the game.

Pegida is far-right and anti-Islam, but not neo-Nazi, and perhaps more crucially, not relevant to the United States. It's almost exclusively a European phenomenon, which makes sense as it's a reaction to the migrant crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ght-demise

Estimates range between 500 and 1500, and that's only people that showed up to rally in the area around Charlottesville. There should be many more than that in the US. That's not in the low hundreds, and people have been killed as a result.

I mentioned Pegida because this thread is about Germany. If you only want to talk about the US, might I point you to the myriad of other threads on that topic?

Alright, what is a Nazi to you? And is denying being Nazi enough to not be a Nazi?

[Nakena]

Evidence that there were more people?


Pegida is far-right and anti-Islam, but not neo-Nazi, and perhaps more crucially, not relevant to the United States. It's almost exclusively a European phenomenon, which makes sense as it's a reaction to the migrant crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ght-demise

Estimates range between 500 and 1500, and that's only people that showed up to rally in the area around Charlottesville. There should be many more than that in the US. That's not in the low hundreds, and people have been killed as a result.

I mentioned Pegida because this thread is about Germany. If you only want to talk about the US, might I point you to the myriad of other threads on that topic?

Alright, what is a Nazi to you? And is denying being Nazi enough to not be a Nazi?

The entry ticket into nazism is racialism and being woke about the JQ. Their main belief is that race does matters first and foremost and is the core of everything.

etc etc

It's a generally miserable and shitty ideology and worldview.

[Nakena]

Pegida is far-right and anti-Islam, but not neo-Nazi,

wiki:Pegida
In 2015, Lutz Bachmann, the founder of Pegida, resigned from the movement after reportedly posing as Adolf Hitler and making racist statements on Facebook.[13] He was later reinstated.[14]

and perhaps more crucially, not relevant to the United States. It's almost exclusively a European phenomenon, which makes sense as it's a reaction to the migrant crisis.

It's called "SIOA" over there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Isla ... of_America

Lol no. Its something different. SIOA is, quick glance at some names there, not Nazi. But has its root in the radical and anti-islamic corner of the , pro-neocon, pro-israel "counter-jihadist" movement that was somehow popular during the Bush years. They really really hate islam in general but they aren't nazis. Those guys predate PEGIDA by at least ten years.

Neo-Nazis would reject them outright because their pro-zionist leanings. Thats also why the alt-right broke with Trump after the Syria strikes, because they saw that as zionist betrayal.

That being said, the counter-jihadist blogger Fjordman was an major influence on Breivik. I mean if you want to trashtalk them, do it right at least. lol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-jihad

[Proctopeo]

Evidence that there were more people?


Pegida is far-right and anti-Islam, but not neo-Nazi, and perhaps more crucially, not relevant to the United States. It's almost exclusively a European phenomenon, which makes sense as it's a reaction to the migrant crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ght-demise

Estimates range between 500 and 1500, and that's only people that showed up to rally in the area around Charlottesville. There should be many more than that in the US. That's not in the low hundreds, and people have been killed as a result.

There "should be"? Either you're making a baseless claim or you want there to be more people with such beliefs in the US.
And, yes, "low hundreds" was a low estimate, but the point made by the estimate still remains sound: the number of these people is too low for them to have been any more than a drop in the bucket, turnout-wise.

I mentioned Pegida because this thread is about Germany. If you only want to talk about the US, might I point you to the myriad of other threads on that topic?

I was confused because the recent discussion chain was about Donald Trump being elected God-King of America by the KKK.

Alright, what is a Nazi to you?

A "Nazi" is a member of the NSDAP; a "neo-Nazi" is someone who mostly aligns with the beliefs of the Nazis - if they're too different from the beliefs of the Nazis, they're not a neo-Nazi, though they may still be a fascist/ultranationalist/anti-semite. These four things aren't synonymous with each other.

And is denying being Nazi enough to not be a Nazi?

It can be. Especially if accusations of being a Nazi are unfounded and ridiculous, as they often are.

[Rojava Free State]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ght-demise

Estimates range between 500 and 1500, and that's only people that showed up to rally in the area around Charlottesville. There should be many more than that in the US. That's not in the low hundreds, and people have been killed as a result.

There "should be"? Either you're making a baseless claim or you want there to be more people with such beliefs in the US.
And, yes, "low hundreds" was a low estimate, but the point made by the estimate still remains sound: the number of these people is too low for them to have been any more than a drop in the bucket, turnout-wise.

I mentioned Pegida because this thread is about Germany. If you only want to talk about the US, might I point you to the myriad of other threads on that topic?

I was confused because the recent discussion chain was about Donald Trump being elected God-King of America by the KKK.

Alright, what is a Nazi to you?

A "Nazi" is a member of the NSDAP; a "neo-Nazi" is someone who mostly aligns with the beliefs of the Nazis - if they're too different from the beliefs of the Nazis, they're not a neo-Nazi, though they may still be a fascist/ultranationalist/anti-semite. These four things aren't synonymous with each other.

And is denying being Nazi enough to not be a Nazi?

It can be. Especially if accusations of being a Nazi are unfounded and ridiculous, as they often are.

Was trump elected because of nazis? Probably not
Was trump elected because of fascists? Maybe
Was trump elected because of racism? I would say almost certainly considering half his platform was "arabs bad, Mexicans bad, need more immigrants from norway!"