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by North German Realm » Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:55 am
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by Page » Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:59 am
by Novus America » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:02 am
by Proctopeo » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:07 am
Page wrote:North German Realm wrote:Doesn't change the fact that "redoing elections until we get the result I want" is generally against the whole point of having elections.
The newly elected leader was not legally forced to step down and allow a new election. The CDU and FDP could have tried to work with AfD if they wanted to, but they knew there would be consequences if they did so, that the people would turn against them.
by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:10 am
Proctopeo wrote:Page wrote:
The newly elected leader was not legally forced to step down and allow a new election. The CDU and FDP could have tried to work with AfD if they wanted to, but they knew there would be consequences if they did so, that the people would turn against them.
That totally won't backfire!
by Proctopeo » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:17 am
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Proctopeo wrote:That totally won't backfire!
Probably not. You see this a lot in European politics: a mainstream party will try to work together with a more extreme party, the negotiations fail, and in the subsequent election the extreme party tanks and more mainstream parties can govern again.
by Greed and Death » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:20 am
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Proctopeo wrote:That totally won't backfire!
Probably not. You see this a lot in European politics: a mainstream party will try to work together with a more extreme party, the negotiations fail, and in the subsequent election the extreme party tanks and more mainstream parties can govern again.
by Eglaecia » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:24 am
Greed and Death wrote:European party naming conventions are weird. The CDU is neither Christian nor Democratic nor a Union.
by Greed and Death » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:25 am
by Eglaecia » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:33 am
by Greed and Death » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:35 am
by Bienenhalde » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:35 am
by Novus America » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:44 am
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Proctopeo wrote:That totally won't backfire!
Probably not. You see this a lot in European politics: a mainstream party will try to work together with a more extreme party, the negotiations fail, and in the subsequent election the extreme party tanks and more mainstream parties can govern again.
by Bienenhalde » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:45 am
by Eglaecia » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:58 am
Novus America wrote:Probably not. You see this a lot in European politics: a mainstream party will try to work together with a more extreme party, the negotiations fail, and in the subsequent election the extreme party tanks and more mainstream parties can govern again.
by Eglaecia » Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:02 pm
Bienenhalde wrote:Greed and Death wrote:But has ceased being so for some decades.
Why not? Because the socially conservative policies they would ideally support aren't supported by their more liberal coalition parties? Or because you think Merkel was a bad Christian for being charitable towards refugees instead of acting like a racist xenophobe?
by Nakena » Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:07 pm
Bienenhalde wrote:Greed and Death wrote:But has ceased being so for some decades.
Why not? Because the socially conservative policies they would ideally support aren't supported by their more liberal coalition parties? Or because you think Merkel was a bad Christian for being charitable towards refugees instead of acting like a racist xenophobe?
by James_xenoland » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:10 pm
Chancellor Angela Merkel - whose own party also backed Mr Kemmerich - called Wednesday's election "unforgivable".
The AfD has grown in popularity in recent years but has been condemned for its extreme views on immigration, freedom of speech and the press.
Wednesday's vote was described as a political earthquake as it was the first time the AfD had helped form a government in Germany, breaking a consensus among the main parties never to work with extremist parties..... "Resignation is unavoidable"
Spain2007 wrote:When you call everyone who dosent think like you a fascist, and you call them authoritarian? isnt your mindset authoritarian?
do you know what even fascism means?? do you even know who Mussolini is? do you even know difference between nazism and classical fascism?
you remind me of right wing americans that call everyone who disagres with you a commie or a socialist
classical fascism is more totalitarian centre than exstreme right
Bear Stearns wrote:Leninist Haven wrote:I'm becoming increasingly worried that nothing is being considered fascist anymore. One of their candidates openly associated with a man who glorified Nazism, going on a trip with him in a far, far-right rally. They think that CDU are not harsh enough, and the CDU are the moderates. Their #1 issue seems to be talking about killing immigrants within a legal framework. To imply that it's ridiculous to call them fascist is strange, as there is some evidence, whether one agrees with it or not.
Who's fault do you think that is?
People have a problem with being called a fascist because fascists are like the one political group against whom violence and repression is socially acceptable (it is illegal to be a fascist in several western countries). So when you call people fascist, you are really calling for them to be suppressed. And that really pisses people off.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
Rikese wrote:From a 14 year old saying that children should vote, to a wankfest about whether or not God exists. Good job, you have all achieved new benchmarks in stupidity.
by Nakena » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:42 pm
James_xenoland wrote:Chancellor Angela Merkel - whose own party also backed Mr Kemmerich - called Wednesday's election "unforgivable".
The AfD has grown in popularity in recent years but has been condemned for its extreme views on immigration, freedom of speech and the press.
Wednesday's vote was described as a political earthquake as it was the first time the AfD had helped form a government in Germany, breaking a consensus among the main parties never to work with extremist parties..... "Resignation is unavoidable"
Yup.. This stuff is clown level doublespeak/think and chilling to see so openly and forcefully stated.
That second line is the literal height of both irony and projection. We can't let them speak (or now even vote apparently) because they are claimed to have anti free speech views. Cries that always seem to come from the 'you're only allowed to think/say what we agree with' crowd. Also.. can't help but laugh at yet another example of how they try to explain the rise in popularity of parties willing to even rethink the standard enforced dogmatic positions on certain issues, as having "extreme views". This goes back to disturbing, vile arguments i've heard since brexit. That the people should never have had, or have, a say in 'certain issues' because that's what we elect government for.. and OC, if ALL of the elites/parties/politicians hold the same position.. That's just too bad.
Let that last line sink in for a bit. It's not even a case of the people voting for the "wrong person", but the wrong people voting!
This is the future of leftsit/prog maximum intolerance, everyone else is extremist/nazi/fascist/bigot, outrage culture.
by James_xenoland » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:27 pm
Vistulange wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
Be quiet, you're gonna spoil the rose colored view of world war II as a fight between the forces of good and evil.
Iunno, pal, not even the Soviets stuck people into concentration camps for just being born to incorrect parents, or being crippled, or of a wrong ethnicity. That's saying a lot.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."
Rikese wrote:From a 14 year old saying that children should vote, to a wankfest about whether or not God exists. Good job, you have all achieved new benchmarks in stupidity.
by Geneviev » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:40 pm
by Greed and Death » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:44 pm
by Geneviev » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:46 pm
Greed and Death wrote:Geneviev wrote:Enforce the law. § 130 StGB Volksverhetzung. Hatred of minorities is not legal and should not be tolerated so much that people who have those views can form coalitions with legitimate parties.
Outlawing the Nazi speech only seems to have made it worse, maybe if you took a more American approach you wouldn't be having the Nazis get elected into government again.
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