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Postby Rojava Free State » Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:54 pm

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Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:There is a name for this position, and it is called White Privilege.

Not sure how but okay.


He's saying that your white privilege allows you to be more worried about climate denialism than racism, as if racism is as much of a threat as doing nothing about climate change. Racism led to lynchings and bombings. Climate change inaction will lead to entire countries sinking beneath the sea like they're atlantis. As a minority I am way more worried about a failure to take action against global warming than I am about a bunch of angry football hooligans
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:03 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Honestly I take bigger issue with the fact that climate change denialism as part of their platform.

There is a name for this position, and it is called White Privilege.


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Postby Geneviev » Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:49 pm

The CDU was already moving toward something like this. I expect AfD to gain more power now that they are being treated as a legitimate party instead of the racist fascists they are.
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:03 pm

Rising fascism in Germany? What could possibly go wrong :^)
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Postby Geneviev » Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:05 pm

Senkaku wrote:Rising fascism in Germany? What could possibly go wrong :^)

Most of us could learn from the past and want to prevent it from happening again. Others view it as more of an instruction manual.
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:05 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Not sure how but okay.


He's saying that your white privilege allows you to be more worried about climate denialism than racism, as if racism is as much of a threat as doing nothing about climate change. Racism led to lynchings and bombings. Climate change inaction will lead to entire countries sinking beneath the sea like they're atlantis. As a minority I am way more worried about a failure to take action against global warming than I am about a bunch of angry football hooligans

Me too, but I think the point was that the immediacy of the threat is different. I am more worried about solving climate change than solving homophobia, for example... but if someone is trying to kill or imprison me on a timescale of a few months away after an election or something, then it sort of doesn't matter, because now I have a more immediate problem. (In terms of race, I usually pass for white and have money, so less of a concern.) I don't think that's an invalid point to make.
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:08 pm

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Postby Phoenicaea » Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:33 am

so, no politically plausible until angie and schauble stay as protestant leadership.

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Postby Irish Diaspora » Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:44 am

Is the definition of Ubermensch found not in the Nazi propaganda of the 1930s, but in the idea 'humanity is something to be surpassed'? Also, I believe their coalition lasted for about a day. Perhaps this is a useful development in Germany's sociopolitical evolution. As an outside observer, it is my belief that some are only rebelling against their parties in hopes of radical change.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:49 am

Whoopsie daisy that was a zero intrigue move.
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Postby Novus America » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:21 am

Geneviev wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Rising fascism in Germany? What could possibly go wrong :^)

Most of us could learn from the past and want to prevent it from happening again. Others view it as more of an instruction manual.


The thing is it is easier said than done. How exactly do we do that?
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Postby Page » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:25 am

It gives me hope that this situation wasn't tolerated and that there will be new elections.
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Postby Novus America » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:36 am

Page wrote:It gives me hope that this situation wasn't tolerated and that there will be new elections.


Which does what exactly? No one party will win a majority, the AfD come in second or third, and then we are right back to square one.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:56 am

Page wrote:It gives me hope that this situation wasn't tolerated and that there will be new elections.


Keep having elections until the correct peon is in, right?
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Postby Page » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:00 am

Novus America wrote:
Page wrote:It gives me hope that this situation wasn't tolerated and that there will be new elections.


Which does what exactly? No one party will win a majority, the AfD come in second or third, and then we are right back to square one.


It would only take small gains for SPD, Greens, and the Left for the three to form a coalition.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:01 am

Page wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Which does what exactly? No one party will win a majority, the AfD come in second or third, and then we are right back to square one.


It would only take small gains for SPD, Greens, and the Left for the three to form a coalition.


say that doesnt happen.

then what.
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Postby Novus America » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:04 am

Page wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Which does what exactly? No one party will win a majority, the AfD come in second or third, and then we are right back to square one.


It would only take small gains for SPD, Greens, and the Left for the three to form a coalition.


So basically just keep having elections until you get the results you want?
And who says they will actually gain? And then be able to form and mats in a lasting stable coalition?

This is just a reactionary attempt to avoid and election result they do not like, it does not fix the fundamentally broken nature of German politics and why people are turning to the AfD in the first place.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:06 am

Novus America wrote:
Page wrote:
It would only take small gains for SPD, Greens, and the Left for the three to form a coalition.


So basically just keep having elections until you get the results you want?
And who says they will actually gain? And then be able to form and mats in a lasting stable coalition?

This is just a reactionary attempt to avoid and ekection result they do not like, it does not fix the fundamentally broken nature of German politics and why people are turning to the AfD in the first place.


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Postby North German Realm » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:12 am

Page wrote:It gives me hope that this situation wasn't tolerated and that there will be new elections.

Which is essentially proof that German democracy is meaningless. What is the point of elections if you just redo them until you get the result the State wants?
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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:08 am

North German Realm wrote:
Page wrote:It gives me hope that this situation wasn't tolerated and that there will be new elections.

Which is essentially proof that German democracy is meaningless. What is the point of elections if you just redo them until you get the result the State wants?

That's the EU way of doing things, so I guess they've really embraced the sham.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:11 am

Page wrote:It gives me hope that this situation wasn't tolerated and that there will be new elections.

That’s completely stupid.

Democracy must remain unhindered always, no matter what. You can’t just say “oh no the candidates i didn’t like lost time to start over”. No. That isn’t how it works.
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Postby Page » Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:15 am

Great Algerstonia wrote:
Page wrote:It gives me hope that this situation wasn't tolerated and that there will be new elections.

That’s completely stupid.

Democracy must remain unhindered always, no matter what. You can’t just say “oh no the candidates i didn’t like lost time to start over”. No. That isn’t how it works.


In a democracy, politicians must answer to the people. The people of Thuringia made it known that they refuse to accept a government in which the AfD has any role.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:20 am

Page wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:That’s completely stupid.

Democracy must remain unhindered always, no matter what. You can’t just say “oh no the candidates i didn’t like lost time to start over”. No. That isn’t how it works.


In a democracy, politicians must answer to the people. The people of Thuringia made it known that they refuse to accept a government in which the AfD has any role.

AfD having a role is predicated on the people of Thuringia voting for them.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:22 am

North German Realm wrote:
Page wrote:It gives me hope that this situation wasn't tolerated and that there will be new elections.

Which is essentially proof that German democracy is meaningless. What is the point of elections if you just redo them until you get the result the State wants?


Except in this case the winner of the election decided to trigger new elections.
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Postby Novus America » Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:25 am

Page wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:That’s completely stupid.

Democracy must remain unhindered always, no matter what. You can’t just say “oh no the candidates i didn’t like lost time to start over”. No. That isn’t how it works.


In a democracy, politicians must answer to the people. The people of Thuringia made it known that they refuse to accept a government in which the AfD has any role.


And what about the growing number of people voting for the AfD? They are people of Thuringia too, and a substantial portion of the people.

Of course this is the inherent problem of the German political system.
It is too divided to be stable or really representative of the people as a whole.
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Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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