German fascist form regional coalition with centre-right

[Pinochetlande]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51384615

tl;dr , the neofascist AfD have joined forces with Merkel's CDU and the German liberals (Freiheitlichen) to oust the left-wing candidate in a German Land.

Bit worrying. Especially given how so far the democratic parties on the right had refused to form alliances with the AfD , avoiding to give them institutional legitimacy.
When the barrier separating antidemocratic forces from democratic forces fall, democracy is in danger, because you can expect fascists to exploit the workings of democracy to abolish it.

Sounds absolutely fantastic to me.

[Nakena]

Compare Saiwania to Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana if you want a current example.

One is far more open about what they would do, while the other less so.

It's like modern fascists going "look guys fascism doesn't need to have concentration camps, see, Mosley said..." and so on and so forth. Well, yeah, and communism didn't need to have the GULAG or the Great Leap Forward, and look what we ended up with.

It's shocking that what is preached may not always translate to outcome. It's as if fascists think they have some sort of exceptional capacity to make sure that what they say will directly end in the outcome they state they desire, though it's best to be highly sceptical of any fascist's honesty or integrity when it comes to simple statements.

To my impression both have different ideologies and worldviews.

Honestly I take bigger issue with the fact that climate change denialism as part of their platform.

There is a name for this position, and it is called White Privilege.

lol.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

People: AfD is not fascist, stop calling everyone you disagree with fascist

AfD:

https://www.watson.de/deutschland/best% ... rklich-ist

“We have a right to be proud of soldiers in both World Wars”

“We will hunt Angela Merkel, and we will return our land and our people”

“What is worse, a damaged synagogue door or two dead Germans?”

[Albennia]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51384615

tl;dr , the neofascist AfD have joined forces with Merkel's CDU and the German liberals (Freiheitlichen) to oust the left-wing candidate in a German Land.

Bit worrying. Especially given how so far the democratic parties on the right had refused to form alliances with the AfD , avoiding to give them institutional legitimacy.
When the barrier separating antidemocratic forces from democratic forces fall, democracy is in danger, because you can expect fascists to exploit the workings of democracy to abolish it.

Sounds absolutely fantastic to me.

Guessing at what else you consider "absolutely fantastic", unfortunately for you I don't think the AfD are ever going to go full Pinochetist "haha guys isn't it hilarious when people get raped by dogs? sounds like real traditional free market anti-communist values to me".

[Nakena]

“What is worse, a damaged synagogue door or two dead Germans?”

The later one I guess? :^)

[Major-Tom]

Looks like the new coalition just fell apart, or is about to due to pressure by the National CDU.

For the best, working with AFD is simply inexcusable.

[Nakena]

Looks like the new coalition just fell apart.

There was never a coalition to begin with.

Election of Minister-President by State Legislation

First Round: No candidate gains a majority (Left Party and AfD in race)

Second Round: No candidate gains a majority (Left Party and AfD in race)

3rd Round: New candidate of the FDP (small classic liberal/conservative party) enters into the race and suddenly and unexpectedly AfD votes for him and he becomes elected Minister-President (Governor sort of).

Then drama happens.

[Rojava Free State]

People: AfD is not fascist, stop calling everyone you disagree with fascist

AfD:

https://www.watson.de/deutschland/best% ... rklich-ist

“We have a right to be proud of soldiers in both World Wars”

“We will hunt Angela Merkel, and we will return our land and our people”

“What is worse, a damaged synagogue door or two dead Germans?”

Imagine your campaign being "make a choice, you can have damaged synagogues or dead germans," as if we can't prevent both, and also as if damaged synagogue doors didn't often lead up to dead Jews

[Rojava Free State]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51384615

tl;dr , the neofascist AfD have joined forces with Merkel's CDU and the German liberals (Freiheitlichen) to oust the left-wing candidate in a German Land.

Bit worrying. Especially given how so far the democratic parties on the right had refused to form alliances with the AfD , avoiding to give them institutional legitimacy.
When the barrier separating antidemocratic forces from democratic forces fall, democracy is in danger, because you can expect fascists to exploit the workings of democracy to abolish it.

Sounds absolutely fantastic to me.

You can't just throw everyone you don't like out of a helicopter

[Major-Tom]

Looks like the new coalition just fell apart.

There was never a coalition to begin with.

Election of Minister-President by State Legislation

First Round: No candidate gains a majority (Left Party and AfD in race)

Second Round: No candidate gains a majority (Left Party and AfD in race)

3rd Round: New candidate of the FDP (small classic liberal/conservative party) enters into the race and suddenly and unexpectedly AfD votes for him and he becomes elected Minister-President (Governor sort of).

Then drama happens.

That makes sense, I’m sure this will all look very different tomorrow then, yeah?

[Nakena]

People: AfD is not fascist, stop calling everyone you disagree with fascist

AfD:

https://www.watson.de/deutschland/best% ... rklich-ist

“We have a right to be proud of soldiers in both World Wars”

“We will hunt Angela Merkel, and we will return our land and our people”

“What is worse, a damaged synagogue door or two dead Germans?”

Imagine your campaign being "make a choice, you can have damaged synagogues or dead germans," as if we can't prevent both, and also as if damaged synagogue doors didn't often lead up to dead Jews

From what a gathered the guy is an miserable IRL troll anyways. He also said that he has literally nothing to say or to think on climate change etc. He'd also called the refugee crisis a gift for the AfD.

Which shows their true colours, as they are not interested in solving any problems but profiting off them. They live off the very situation they claim to fight.

[Torrocca]

People: AfD is not fascist, stop calling everyone you disagree with fascist

AfD:

https://www.watson.de/deutschland/best% ... rklich-ist

“We have a right to be proud of soldiers in both World Wars”

“We will hunt Angela Merkel, and we will return our land and our people”

“What is worse, a damaged synagogue door or two dead Germans?”

>TFW you want to be proud of an entire military force that aided and abetted in and was greatly outright responsible for genocide

Hmm... why, I don't see any Fascists here whatsoever! Just totally proud people proud of their prideful genocidal ancestors who genocided people in the name of establishing a single-ethnic Fascist empire across Europe! Nothing wrong with that /s

[Ifreann]

Compare Saiwania to Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana if you want a current example.

One is far more open about what they would do, while the other less so.

Amusingly, it's the one with "Fascist" in their name who's less openly so. Saiwania goes around saying "Ban people non-whites from coming to America, race-mixing is wrong, I plan to indoctrinate my nephew, Europe and North America belong to White people", whereas RFSI is all "Oh no, I'm a classical, non-Hitler-y fascist, promise, no bad race stuff here".

[Rojava Free State]

People: AfD is not fascist, stop calling everyone you disagree with fascist

AfD:

https://www.watson.de/deutschland/best% ... rklich-ist

“We have a right to be proud of soldiers in both World Wars”

“We will hunt Angela Merkel, and we will return our land and our people”

“What is worse, a damaged synagogue door or two dead Germans?”

>TFW you want to be proud of an entire military force that aided and abetted in and was greatly outright responsible for genocide

Hmm... why, I don't see any Fascists here whatsoever! Just totally proud people proud of their prideful genocidal ancestors who genocided people in the name of establishing a single-ethnic Fascist empire across Europe! Nothing wrong with that /s

Friendly reminder that Germany had the draft in WWII, and the men fighting on the front lines didn't necessarily agree with Nazism or want to be there. They didn't have a choice though, because disobeying the draft would either get you shot or worse, sent to a camp

[Rojava Free State]

There are differences between various fascist groups in how openly fascist they'll be in public. That doesn't make the less open fascists not fascist.

Nah people who call themself fascists (theres few here on NSG even) tend to have very different ideas and worldview than, lets say the regular alt-righter or so.

Compare Saiwania to Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana if you want a current example.

It makes as much sense as to say that Bernie Sanders is in league with Joseph Stalin.

The alt right to original fascism are like Ho Chi Minh to Karl Marx. They are just as fascist but don't have the means to recreate the Reich

[Washington Resistance Army]

Sounds absolutely fantastic to me.

You can't just throw everyone you don't like out of a helicopter

Sure you can, though depending on how big the list of people you dislike is it might become rather infeasible.

[North German Realm]

>TFW you want to be proud of an entire military force that aided and abetted in and was greatly outright responsible for genocide

Hmm... why, I don't see any Fascists here whatsoever! Just totally proud people proud of their prideful genocidal ancestors who genocided people in the name of establishing a single-ethnic Fascist empire across Europe! Nothing wrong with that /s

Friendly reminder that Germany had the draft in WWII, and the men fighting on the front lines didn't necessarily agree with Nazism or want to be there. They didn't have a choice though, because disobeying the draft would either get you shot or worse, sent to a camp

Then they should have gone to the camp. "I was forced" is justification for a lot of things. The shit that the Wehrmacht did in WW2 ain't one of them.

[Bear Stearns]

Who's fault do you think that is?

People have a problem with being called a fascist because fascists are like the one political group against whom violence and repression is socially acceptable (it is illegal to be a fascist in several western countries). So when you call people fascist, you are really calling for them to be suppressed. And that really pisses people off.

Fascists should be suppressed though.

When you play fast and loose with the definition of fascism you end up suppressing a lot of innocent people.

We call that tyranny.

[Rojava Free State]

Friendly reminder that Germany had the draft in WWII, and the men fighting on the front lines didn't necessarily agree with Nazism or want to be there. They didn't have a choice though, because disobeying the draft would either get you shot or worse, sent to a camp

Then they should have gone to the camp.

I guarantee you right now that for 99% of people, if the choice was obey the Reich and join the German army or go to auschwitz, they would join the army. I'm not talking about the SS here. Those guys were downright evil. I'm talking about your average German soldier in World War II, who probably would rather have been at home with their wife and kids than out killing and dying on the beach in Normandy. That's how most wars work. We always like to divide people up into the good side and the bad side, and even with a war like world war II where one side's government was definitely evil as hell, you can't say the people living in that country were.

[Torrocca]

>TFW you want to be proud of an entire military force that aided and abetted in and was greatly outright responsible for genocide

Hmm... why, I don't see any Fascists here whatsoever! Just totally proud people proud of their prideful genocidal ancestors who genocided people in the name of establishing a single-ethnic Fascist empire across Europe! Nothing wrong with that /s

Friendly reminder that Germany had the draft in WWII, and the men fighting on the front lines didn't necessarily agree with Nazism or want to be there. They didn't have a choice though, because disobeying the draft would either get you shot or worse, sent to a camp

Ordinary Men dispels the notion that the soldiers of the Wehrmacht had no choice in the matter of genocide. Firstly because not a single soldier was required to carry out genocidal killings, yet a great many did - up to at least four out of every five. Secondly because, up until very late 1944/1945, when the Volkssturm was a thing and the SS was executing Germans on a whim, people weren't executed or sent to camps for refusing to commit acts of genocide.

It doesn't matter if they disagreed with Nazism on the frontlines if they were still on frontlines happily following orders and killing the very people that were the targets of Nazi genocide.

[Rojava Free State]

Fascists should be suppressed though.

When you play fast and loose with the definition of fascism you end up suppressing a lot of innocent people.

We call that tyranny.

In effect you become no better than the fascists too. Notice btw as well that it's very selective who gets called a fascist and gets suppressed. Not Louis Farrakhan. Not the new black panthers. Not die hard supporters of israel. Not the Black Hebrew Israelites. Instead, the focus is always on allegedly supremacists, at least half of whom aren't white supremacists in reality

[Rojava Free State]

Friendly reminder that Germany had the draft in WWII, and the men fighting on the front lines didn't necessarily agree with Nazism or want to be there. They didn't have a choice though, because disobeying the draft would either get you shot or worse, sent to a camp

Ordinary Men dispels the notion that the soldiers of the Wehrmacht had no choice in the matter of genocide. Firstly because not a single soldier was required to carry out genocidal killings, yet a great many did - up to at least four out of every five. Secondly because, up until very late 1944/1945, when the Volkssturm was a thing and the SS was executing Germans on a whim, people weren't executed or sent to camps for refusing to commit acts of genocide.

It doesn't matter if they disagreed with Nazism on the frontlines if they were still on frontlines happily following orders and killing the very people that were the targets of Nazi genocide.

I wasn't talking about guys who committed actual genocide. I was just talking about German soldiers in general, most of whom were busy fighting the British, American or Russian armies. Anyone who actually massacred civilians was still a war criminal even if they were just following orders

[Torrocca]

Ordinary Men dispels the notion that the soldiers of the Wehrmacht had no choice in the matter of genocide. Firstly because not a single soldier was required to carry out genocidal killings, yet a great many did - up to at least four out of every five. Secondly because, up until very late 1944/1945, when the Volkssturm was a thing and the SS was executing Germans on a whim, people weren't executed or sent to camps for refusing to commit acts of genocide.

It doesn't matter if they disagreed with Nazism on the frontlines if they were still on frontlines happily following orders and killing the very people that were the targets of Nazi genocide.

I wasn't talking about guys who committed actual genocide. I was just talking about German soldiers in general, most of whom were busy fighting the British, American or Russian armies. Anyone who actually massacred civilians was still a war criminal even if they were just following orders

At least four in every five German soldiers actively participated in genocide. Tens of millions of people didn't just happen to die for no reason in Eastern Europe; they were deliberately killed in a war of extermination conducted by the Nazi regime and carried out by its millions of footsoldiers. Your "average German soldier" of World War Two was a genocider.

[Bear Stearns]

Tens of millions of people didn't just happen to die for no reason in Eastern Europe; they were deliberately killed in a war of extermination conducted by the Nazi regime and carried out by its millions of footsoldiers. Your "average German soldier" of World War Two was a genocider.

At least a quarter of those deaths are likely attributable to the Soviet Union.

[Rojava Free State]

I wasn't talking about guys who committed actual genocide. I was just talking about German soldiers in general, most of whom were busy fighting the British, American or Russian armies. Anyone who actually massacred civilians was still a war criminal even if they were just following orders

At least four in every five German soldiers actively participated in genocide. Tens of millions of people didn't just happen to die for no reason in Eastern Europe; they were deliberately killed in a war of extermination conducted by the Nazi regime and carried out by its millions of footsoldiers. Your "average German soldier" of World War Two was a genocider.

Got any proof it was 4 out of 5, or are you just trying to claim that world war II was a good guy vs bad guy war, and not a Nazi Reich vs Soviet and friends war with good guys and bad guys on both sides of the conflict?

If you're trying to figure out what my underlying belief or message is, it's that 99% of wars aren't heroic and aren't fucking comic books with a completely evil villain and a completely good and heroic protagonist. Reality is way more complicated and most wars are disastrous and sick eras. Case in point is Vietnam