German fascist form regional coalition with centre-right

[Loben The 2nd]

Hmmm, when was the last time this happened?

[Lazary]

I'm becoming increasingly worried that nothing is being considered fascist anymore. One of their candidates openly associated with a man who glorified Nazism, going on a trip with him in a far, far-right rally. They think that CDU are not harsh enough, and the CDU are the moderates. Their #1 issue seems to be talking about killing immigrants within a legal framework. To imply that it's ridiculous to call them fascist is strange, as there is some evidence, whether one agrees with it or not.

Who's fault do you think that is?

People have a problem with being called a fascist because fascists are like the one political group against whom violence and repression is socially acceptable (it is illegal to be a fascist in several western countries). So when you call people fascist, you are really calling for them to be suppressed. And that really pisses people off.

Fascists should be suppressed though.

[Risottia]

Imagine thinking AfD is fascist. Far-Right, definitely, but fascist? Let's not muddle terms here.

Far right, authoritarian, socially conservatice, anti-feminist, nationalist, xenophobic, racist, antisemite. Aligned and safe hafen for right-wing extremists. Too xenophobic for their own founder.
Pretty much clear-cut fascists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany
Since about 2015, the AfD has been increasingly open to working with far-right extremist groups such as Pegida.[25] Parts of the AfD have racist,[26] Islamophobic,[27] anti-Semitic,[28][29] and xenophobic[16][30][31] tendencies linked to far-right movements such as neo-Nazism[32][29] and identitarianism.[33][34]

https://www.focus.de/politik/deutschlan ... 34214.html

They also maintain that the Nazi salute should be legal.

[Risottia]

Hmmm, when was the last time this happened?

A certain Von Papen cometh to my mind.

[Risottia]

lol no, half the AfD is liberal. and i'm pretty confident the other half is just pretending not to be to win over the east.


but?

..but still, the title of this thread is very inappropriate and seems to be written by someone who has no knowledge of the AfD or the German political landscape whatsoever.

Oh really.
Enlighten us, then.

[Samadhi]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51384615

tl;dr , the neofascist AfD have joined forces with Merkel's CDU and the German liberals (Freiheitlichen) to oust the left-wing candidate in a German Land.

Bit worrying. Especially given how so far the democratic parties on the right had refused to form alliances with the AfD , avoiding to give them institutional legitimacy.
When the barrier separating antidemocratic forces from democratic forces fall, democracy is in danger, because you can expect fascists to exploit the workings of democracy to abolish it.

Democracy, fascism.

You keep acting as if they are that much different.

It's weird.

[Risottia]

Democracy, fascism.

You keep acting as if they are that much different.

It's weird.

Being recognised as a person with inalienable rights, or being shot for not being born in the "right" family.

I keep acting as if they are quite different.

I'm weird, I know.

[Ifreann]

I'm becoming increasingly worried that nothing is being considered fascist anymore. One of their candidates openly associated with a man who glorified Nazism, going on a trip with him in a far, far-right rally. They think that CDU are not harsh enough, and the CDU are the moderates. Their #1 issue seems to be talking about killing immigrants within a legal framework. To imply that it's ridiculous to call them fascist is strange, as there is some evidence, whether one agrees with it or not.

I'd guess it's like the boy who cried wolf. The word 'fascist' has become a synonym for 'person who disagrees with me' so it's no longer surprising when someone is called a fascist.

And there are certain elements that simply won't accept that anything is fascism that does not explicitly call itself so. It is almost as if they are so incredibly naive that they cannot fathom a fascist lying about being a fascist, but I think it's more likely that they are well aware of that possibility and are, in fact, complicit in the deception.

[SD_Film Artists]

I'd guess it's like the boy who cried wolf. The word 'fascist' has become a synonym for 'person who disagrees with me' so it's no longer surprising when someone is called a fascist.

Maybe, but like in that story, that didn't stop the wolf from eating him. They quite literally have a wing in their party that openly associates with neo-nazism, and they have not severed ties. One of their executives (AfD federal executive board) is almost universally known as a neo-nazi.

Indeed the wolf ate him exactly because of his falce alarms. Likewise, people are being lulled into hearing 'fascist' as just an SJW-born insult rather than something to take seriously. Not that it's all an SJW thing; it's also that it is more common to see racist jokes which have progressed (regressed?) From old boomer racism to new memes.

[SD_Film Artists]

I'd guess it's like the boy who cried wolf. The word 'fascist' has become a synonym for 'person who disagrees with me' so it's no longer surprising when someone is called a fascist.

And there are certain elements that simply won't accept that anything is fascism that does not explicitly call itself so. It is almost as if they are so incredibly naive that they cannot fathom a fascist lying about being a fascist, but I think it's more likely that they are well aware of that possibility and are, in fact, complicit in the deception.

That too.

[Genivaria]

Honestly I take bigger issue with the fact that climate change denialism as part of their platform.

[Nakena]

Theres a much better word than "fascism" and actually is relevant here and thats Identitarian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identitarian_movement

Maybe, but like in that story, that didn't stop the wolf from eating him. They quite literally have a wing in their party that openly associates with neo-nazism, and they have not severed ties. One of their executives (AfD federal executive board) is almost universally known as a neo-nazi.

Höcke you mean? Yeah he does, undoubtly, stands in the same volkish tradition line that also is a not so-distant cousin to nazism.

[Ifreann]

Honestly I take bigger issue with the fact that climate change denialism as part of their platform.

Climate change denial is worse than fascism?

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Theres a much better word than "fascism" and actually is relevant here and thats Identitarian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identitarian_movement

"Identitarian" is a word that fascists call themselves as an alternative to admitting they're fascists.

[Risottia]

... I think it's more likely that they are well aware of that possibility and are, in fact, complicit in the deception.

This.

Honestly I take bigger issue with the fact that climate change denialism as part of their platform.

Climate change denial is worse than fascism?

Yes.
Burning the corpses of the victims without proper environment-friendly emission standards is much, much worse.

[Nakena]

Honestly I take bigger issue with the fact that climate change denialism as part of their platform.

Climate change denial is worse than fascism?

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Theres a much better word than "fascism" and actually is relevant here and thats Identitarian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identitarian_movement

"Identitarian" is a word that fascists call themselves as an alternative to admitting they're fascists.

Nah theres some destinct differences.

Fascists are the romanian Iron Guard, Mussolini, BUF, historically, and more recently Casa Pound, Forza Nuova, Movimento Sociale Italiano (MSI), Fiamma Tricolore and various irrelevant british and french groups.

[Ifreann]

Climate change denial is worse than fascism?

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"Identitarian" is a word that fascists call themselves as an alternative to admitting they're fascists.

Nah theres some destinct differences.

Fascists are the romanian Iron Guard, Mussolini, BUF, historically, and more recently Casa Pound, Forza Nuova, Movimento Sociale Italiano (MSI), Fiamma Tricolore and various irrelevant british and french groups.

There are differences between various fascist groups in how openly fascist they'll be in public. That doesn't make the less open fascists not fascist.

[Nakena]

Nah theres some destinct differences.

Fascists are the romanian Iron Guard, Mussolini, BUF, historically, and more recently Casa Pound, Forza Nuova, Movimento Sociale Italiano (MSI), Fiamma Tricolore and various irrelevant british and french groups.

There are differences between various fascist groups in how openly fascist they'll be in public. That doesn't make the less open fascists not fascist.

Nah people who call themself fascists (theres few here on NSG even) tend to have very different ideas and worldview than, lets say the regular alt-righter or so.

Compare Saiwania to Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana if you want a current example.

It makes as much sense as to say that Bernie Sanders is in league with Joseph Stalin.

[Kavagrad]

Hey, I've seen this one before!

[Ifreann]

There are differences between various fascist groups in how openly fascist they'll be in public. That doesn't make the less open fascists not fascist.

Nah people who call themself fascists (theres few here on NSG even) tend to have very different ideas and worldview than, lets say the regular alt-righter or so.

Compare Saiwania to Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana if you want a current example.

They're both fascists, yes.

It makes as much sense as to say that Bernie Sanders is in league with Joseph Stalin.

He is, duh.

[Nouveau Quebecois]

lmao les go, that's a dub.

"neo-fascists" on NationStates should do the same and squad up for that epic victory royale

[Nakena]

Nah people who call themself fascists (theres few here on NSG even) tend to have very different ideas and worldview than, lets say the regular alt-righter or so.

Compare Saiwania to Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana if you want a current example.

They're both fascists, yes.

It makes as much sense as to say that Bernie Sanders is in league with Joseph Stalin.

He is, duh.

Oh no. You're right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBJBc5iCMWU

[Torrocca]

Did somebody say Weimar Republic? Spartacist purge? A lil' bit of chancellorship as a treat for a certain Adolf Hitler?

[Vistulange]

There are differences between various fascist groups in how openly fascist they'll be in public. That doesn't make the less open fascists not fascist.

Compare Saiwania to Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana if you want a current example.

One is far more open about what they would do, while the other less so.

It's like modern fascists going "look guys fascism doesn't need to have concentration camps, see, Mosley said..." and so on and so forth. Well, yeah, and communism didn't need to have the GULAG or the Great Leap Forward, and look what we ended up with.

It's shocking that what is preached may not always translate to outcome. It's as if fascists think they have some sort of exceptional capacity to make sure that what they say will directly end in the outcome they state they desire, though it's best to be highly sceptical of any fascist's honesty or integrity when it comes to simple statements.

[Nakena]

Election of Minister-President by State Legislation

First Round: No candidate gains a majority (Left Party and AfD in race)

Second Round: No candidate gains a majority (Left Party and AfD in race)

3rd Round: New candidate of the FDP (small classic liberal/conservative party) enters into the race and suddenly and unexpectedly AfD votes for him and he becomes elected Minister-President (Governor sort of).

Then drama happens.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Honestly I take bigger issue with the fact that climate change denialism as part of their platform.

There is a name for this position, and it is called White Privilege.